Madson To Get Start Under Lights
Posted by Tim Malcolm, Wed, March 12, 2008 11:01 AM | Comments: 13
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Originally, Fabio Castro was slated to start tonight’s 7:05 p.m. game against the Reds in Sarasota. However, the penciled starter for tonight is now Ryan Madson.
Giving Madson the start signals a possible change in the fifth starter race, as the team could be looking at the 27-year-old to possibly start the year in that role. For his career, Madson has started 18 games, going 8-5 with a a 6.82 ERA in 91 innings. He walked 38 and struck out 61 in that span. Seventeen of those 18 starts came in 2006, when he was awarded the fourth starter role.
Manager Charlie Manuel, however, says Madson isn’t moving to the rotation:
“Forget it, he’s in the ‘pen,†he told Randy Miller of the Bucks County Courier Times.
Pitching Coach Rich Dubee said they want Madson to throw against better hitters. Sounds a little unusual.
If they’re pulling the wool and thinking about Madson moving to the rotation, I say no. Madson doesn’t seem comfortable as a starter. His splits show that in spades. As a reliever, he carries a very strong 3.22 ERA. In the 6th inning of games, he holds batters to a .252 AVG; in the 7th, it’s .262, and in the 8th, it’s .245. Meanwhile, his 1st-through-5th innings read .381, .292, .279, .289, and .303.
Maybe a healthy Madson can make strides as a starter, but the already-depleted bullpen needs him back there. He’s much more valuable as the guy who can get big right-handed outs in front of Lidge. One commenter asked about JC Romero’s splits against lefties and righties:
Romero vs. righties, 2007: 144 PA, 23 H, 9 R, 26 BB, 22 K, .198 AVG
Romero vs. lefties, 2007: 93 PA, 16 H, 7 R, 14 BB, 20 K, .208 AVG
Great numbers against both, correct? Well, I’d think twice before opening him up to both sides of the plate:
Romero vs. righties, career: 1450 PA, 331 H, 204 R, 195 BB, 231 K, .270 AVG
Romero vs. lefties, career: 816 PA, 160 H, 93 R, 82 BB, 178 K, .227 AVG
All I would say is be very careful with Romero. And the best way to be careful is to use Madson against righties and in high-pressure situations. Madson has never showed himself to be an effective starter; the Phillies do have better starter-worthy candidates in Chad Durbin, Kris Benson and Travis Blackley. (More on Durbin later today.)
It’s possible the Phillies are thinking Francisco Rosario could take the 7th inning torch from Madson, allowing Mad Dog to move into the rotation. It’s possible that’s not the case at all. But moving him to a starter role? I don’t like it. Madson is a proven back-end reliever and the only one I feel the Phillies can really count on today. Keep him where he belongs. Give a real fifth starter candidate the start tonight; don’t waste the opportunities.


















Posts: 0 chris.I
I predicted this a few days ago on here, and ppl thought I was crazy…I’m not happy with it, but it makes sense. I hope he does good tonight.
Posted: 12:56 PM on March 12, 2008
Posts: 0 Giuliano
WFAN is reporting that the Mets have traded Pagan (sp?) for Coco Crisp.
I just thought I’d let everyone know.
Posted: 01:30 PM on March 12, 2008
Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm
Nobody else is reporting that; MLB Trade Rumors is saying it’s a “rumbling.” And why would the Mets do this? Trading an outfielder for an outfielder? They obviously need to fill an outfield hole, but why trade one to fill it? This doesn’t make sense.
Posted: 01:55 PM on March 12, 2008
Posts: 0 Rob (the Phils fan)
Angle Pagan is a back up centerfielder. Tim they are dumping Pagan who is nothing special, for Coco who plays Gold Glove Defense. He is an insurance policy against Beltran. he can also pinch run. Personally I think he is Michael Born with better defense. The deal is good for both teams.
Posted: 02:00 PM on March 12, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike
It is more than a “rumbling” it is being reported that this deal is almost inevitable by WFAN. However, it is not official.
Posted: 02:07 PM on March 12, 2008
Posts: 0 Joe DiMaggio
Romero 2007 performance against righties warrants him an opportunity as a 5th starter in my opinion. Maybe Castro or Blackley could take his spot in the bullpen.
Posted: 02:22 PM on March 12, 2008
Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm
Over at MLB Trade Rumors, there’s a link to a David Lennon (Newsday beat writer) blog post. No trade has been made and he implies the Mets wouldn’t want Crisp: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/03/coco-crisp-to-t.html
But the Mets already have Endy Chavez, who plays very good defense. Yes, Crisp is better offensively, but if they’re going to want A) replacement for Alou, B) platoon for Church and C) fourth outfielder when all are healthy, they need more than Crisp.
Posted: 02:37 PM on March 12, 2008
Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm
And now Theo Epstein has denied speaking to the Mets.
Posted: 02:38 PM on March 12, 2008
Posts: 0 Rob (the Phils fan)
forgot about Endy, but isnt he very injury proun. Last year it was a Hamstring or Quad I think
Posted: 03:10 PM on March 12, 2008
Posts: 0 Troy Kline
I don’t see what the all the fuss is over the 5th starter. Here’s what they got from the 5th starter spot last year:
29 GS | 161.2 INN | 5.12 ERA | 1.527 WHIP
That’s pretty pathetic. I’d think almost anyone they throw out there could beat those numbers.
If you’re wondering, I got those numbers by going through all the games on http://www.fangraphs.com and looking at who started in the 5th rotation spot when it was used. Here’s who I had making those starts:
Eaton – 12 GS
Lohse – 10 GS
JD Durbin – 5 GS
Moyer – 1 GS
Segovia – 1 GS
If you ask me, Madsen or Castro or Benson or just about any of the candidates (except Eaton) should be able to better those numbers.
Posted: 03:24 PM on March 12, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike
Just a random note to all: I was able to get a copy of the Chris Coste book early, and finished it in about 1 day. It is a great story, I highly recommend it for any baseball/Phillie fan. Go out and buy it next week.
Posted: 04:17 PM on March 12, 2008
Posts: 0 chris.I
Mike how much was his book?
Posted: 04:21 PM on March 12, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike
Hardback is $25. I’m not sure if/when paperback will be released.
Posted: 04:33 PM on March 12, 2008