Gameday: Phillies (11-11) At Brewers (13-8)
Posted by Tim Malcolm, Thu, April 24, 2008 11:30 AM | Comments: 80
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The script was writing itself for the Phillies last night: Tough beginning, fight back to tie it, pitcher stunning once he got his bearings. Then Cole Hamels came back out for the eighth inning with over 115 pitches thrown and melted on a dime. Prince Fielder’s second home run of the night capped the win for the Brewers.
It’ll be tough winning today. Jamie Moyer is on the hill for the Phils, but the Brewers mash left-handed pitching (.888 OPS). Jeff Suppan, who pitches for the Brew Crew, has an ERA close to 7.00 in his last five starts against the Phillies.
This just in: Ryan Howard, hitting below .200 and struggling all season, is not in the starting lineup. Greg Dobbs will play first base.
Phillies: Jamie Moyer (1-1), 4.79 ERA
Brewers: Jeff Suppan (1-0), 4.13 ERA
Gametime: 1:05 p.m.
Weather: 65 degrees, windy
Lineup: Werth/Dobbs/Utley/Burrell/Jenkins/Feliz/Bruntlett/Ruiz/Moyer
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Go Phillies!
Posts: 0 Geoff
YES! good move to sit howard, he really really needs to sit
Posted: 11:40 AM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T
I see today getting out of hand real quick – not looking good for the Phils.
Posted: 12:00 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Brian Micheal's Arch Enemy
Geoff, You are a dope! Howard is 3-8 against Suppan with 2 HRs.
Posted: 12:30 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Joe Durbin
Hamels left in too long. I saw this same thing years ago. Once a pitcher today hits 100 get him out of there. The body is not a machine which can just keep throwning at that speed. I know he was pitching a lot of off speed pitches, but 120 was too long.
I have noticed them leaving the starters if possible in 100 plus pitches.
Yes someone is going to come back and say the back in the day pitchers went 120 all the time. OK the mound was higher. The batters did not stand there and take and take the pitches either.
Times have changed.
Posted: 12:38 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Paul
This game could be high scoring, something like 10-9.
Posted: 12:41 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Rob Cowie
As long as it’s a healthy W I’ll be happy.
Posted: 12:58 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike W.
Ahhh, gotta love the days you can watch mlb.tv at work.
Posted: 01:07 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike W.
Dobbs DP. So far the benching of RyHo not working out.
Posted: 01:12 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
but howard couldnt hit a beachball right now. he looks like an idiot up there taking golf swing rips at garbage in the dirt. he couldnt belt one off of sidney ponson with the way that hes been hitting! 0 for 5 last night? against what, a guy that almost got DFA’d at the start of the season. the man needs to refocus himself and shorten his swing so he starts actually making contact and then lengthen it when he gets himself right.
Posted: 01:14 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm
IMO, Jenkins has to be big today with Howard out.
Posted: 01:31 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Jason
Is it me or is that a different Pat Burrell? He looks more relaxed and someone told him that there is a little place called right field that he can hit to. I know he normally slumps come June but right now he is holding the middle of the order down – him and a man named Utley
Posted: 01:32 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm
Have to say, I have not been impressed at all by Jenkins.
Posted: 01:35 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T
We are just not a good baseball team right now.
Posted: 02:04 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
I agree. Jenkins has been a bad signing so far. also, the brewers stink, how have they not already knocked moyer out of the game?
Posted: 02:06 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T
If the Brewers stink, than we are flat out horrible.
Posted: 02:07 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T
Our lineup looks so embarrassing on paper. I don’t have anything to say, I’m just embarrassed to be a Phillies fan right now – we are not good.
Posted: 02:16 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
My point exactly. Jamie Moyer stinks at this point in his career. A good team would have knocked him out in the first inning or two he has no business being in ANYBODYS starting rotation. A team that cant do that stinks. The Brewers havent done that. The Brewers stink. The Phillies lost to the Brewers last night and theyre losing right now. Therefore, right now, the phillies stink at this point in time.
Posted: 02:19 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm
Brewers keep shooting themselves in the foot.
Mike, calm down, buddy. Howard is struggling. Rollins and Vic are on the DL. What lineup do you want? Last year at this time we’re bringing in Roberson and Thurston. Don’t be embarassed.
Posted: 02:24 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T
I want a lineup that isn’t this embarrassing.
Posted: 02:26 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike W.
Mike T — you gotta be the most negative fan on the boards. As Tim just pointed out, look at those positives. 11-11 with 3 starters either out or nonexistant. Things have much more of a chance of getting better than worse.
What’s with all the Moyer bashing? Again, why weren’t you guys saying that last year?? He’s certainly been better this year than last.
Posted: 02:27 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T
I’m the most realistic person on the boards.
11-11 and going downward as I type.
I wasn’t posting on this blog last year, or I would have said something about Moyer. Durbin needs to go into the rotation – he would be a solid 5th.
Anything else?
Posted: 02:33 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm
Yeah, I present the stat that the Brewers knock around lefties and I said Moyer might be in for a long day and everyone starts burning torches. Crazy stuff, guys.
Posted: 02:34 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Last year, when we had 11 in the LOSS column…we only had 4 wins.. so its already looking better! Moyer is fine, he gives you 5-6 innings, and usually keeps you in the game, with what the Phillies offense usually does that should get him another 10 wins or so. Eaton has been very good so far, but not much run support for him… I’d love to see if Fabio Castro has really learned how to throw strikes (3-0 so far?) but his problem has always been too many BB. Anyone know how Carasco or Outman are doing, or if there is a legit chance we see either of them in the rotation after the All-Star break??
Everyone stay positive.. missing the 1-2 punch that usually makes our offense go…and missing the power-bat that has driven those guys in the past few years… and we’re still playing .500 ball right now…things are looking good in my opinion!
Posted: 02:38 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Paul
Werth! Making up for last night!
Posted: 02:43 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm
Oh look, tie game! Everyone out of the bunker!
Posted: 02:43 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
yes i like werth. hes better than vic. i thought he showed it last year and hes showing it again this year. tahts just my opninion though
Posted: 02:44 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
I cant believe moyer is still in there. that totally blows my mind. hes a disgrace! and the brewers, like the mets in the first mets series, failed to score 5 runs on him in the first two innings. like how can you not do that?
Posted: 02:45 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Paul
Moyer is still in there because he has given up 1 run!
Posted: 02:48 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm
Honestly, Jenkins doesn’t deserve to play everyday once Vic returns.
Posted: 02:50 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike W.
I agree with whichever one of you said Jenkins is not impressive. Ugh. I’m losing my patience with he and Feliz.
Mike T — if you are this negative right now, what were you like last year when we were 4-11?
Posted: 02:50 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T
“Geoff Jenkins flies out softly to left fielder Ryan Braun. Three out.” – MLB.com Gamecast. Now, if “flies out softly” isn’t embarrassing, I don’t know what is.
Posted: 02:51 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T
I was pretty bad when we were 4-11. None of my friends or family wanted to watch/attend/or listen to a game with me.
Posted: 02:53 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
in that mlb08 the show game, when you do that the color guy is like: “aww man that was feeble, you have to do better than that at the plate”
Posted: 02:54 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
i like feliz as a defensive replacement but he cant hit well enough this year to make the money he makes and be a starter. tahts also a little bit of a bad signing. but its better than helms though so it doesnt glare out as a terrible thing because as bada as feliz is doing its an upgrade over helms/nunez last year
Posted: 02:55 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike W.
Moyer, 6 IP 1 ER. HE SUCKS!! OUT OF THE ROTATION!!! WHAT A SCRUB!!!
Now, at this point, I am hoping Charlie doesn’t screw up and leave him in for the 7th…then all the haters really might be screaming that.
Posted: 02:55 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike W.
Geoff — did you forget about that Dobbs guy that was scheduled to start before we signed Feliz?
Posted: 02:56 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike W.
Wow…manuel……he really did it….left moyer in for the 7th….just unreal
Posted: 03:03 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
I remember. I said he was better than helms/nunez. not necessarily dobbs. dobbs is certaintly hitting better at this point taking each players role into account.
also, thats right, moyer is your standard slop pitcher in todays mlb. the only reason hes still around is there arent enough good pitchers to force him out and there arent enough good hitters to make him retire. there are really only like a handful of super aces, another handful of legitimate aces. like 20 solid starters or so and the rest is “league average” or total junk. hes a soft tosser and when the umpire makes him throw the ball over the plate he gets LIT UP and hes out in 2-4 innings. when the umpires help him out, like they seem to be doing today, theyll give him a large strike zone. slop pitchers rely on the umpire for help like that. people like hamels and santana and even the “solid” guys like myers dont really have to rely on that either. only the junk pitchers need that help
Posted: 03:09 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm
At least this time he had someone ready in the bullpen.
Posted: 03:10 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T
Chalk another L up to Uncle Charlie.
Posted: 03:12 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
well, you guys know my official stance on moyer. so you know that i think that leaving moyer in this late in the game is just unbelievably insane.
Posted: 03:16 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike W.
FLASH!! attaway baby.
Posted: 03:19 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm
Mike – seriously, calm down. Also, this isn’t Charlie’s fault. The offense has been horrible against a guy they should crush. And the Brewers probably should be up 4-1 now.
Also, Tom Gordon is awesome.
Posted: 03:20 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T
I’m always calm – it’s just my words don’t portray me that way. Nice escape by Flash. Will our offense wake up in the 8th?
Posted: 03:22 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 OZ
Mike T – you’re negativity is getting unbearable. Having some angst is part of making Philly great, but jeeez, at least get some wit in there, try and crack a joke, anything….
we’re .500 w/ Howard in the toilet and Rollins out. no complaints from this Fonz…..
p.s. last i checked, most of our DBL A prospects were playing really well (Outman, Carrasco, Golson) Carpenter I believe has been struggling a bit…
Posted: 03:24 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm
When you bench someone who is slumping, you sit him the whole game.
Posted: 03:26 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
yeah maybe they bring one of those guys up and give him a start if only just to give all the other starts an extra day of rest. i mean…carrasco should be able to hold the pirates to 3 or 4 runs through 5-6 innings. the pirates are unwatchably bad for the most part anyway. except matt capps.
Posted: 03:27 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 MS
Nice call Tim – now the big guy will, again, be frustrated with his performance and upset he didn’t start today.
he’ll get thru the slump – but man its tough to watch
Posted: 03:27 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike W.
PATRICK BRIAN BURRELL!
Posted: 03:31 PM on April 24, 2008
Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm
MAAAAACCCCCHIIIIIINNNNEEEE!
Posted: 03:31 PM on April 24, 2008