Comments on: Phils Smash Astros With Two Big Innings http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/ Your source for Phillies news, events, trade rumors, tickets, bars and other fun stuff. Fri, 25 May 2012 00:43:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Brucehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/comment-page-1/#comment-7381 Bruce Mon, 26 May 2008 20:53:02 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/#comment-7381 Tim~Presenting a small sample (20-27 ABs) for Victorino with less than one third of the season (52 games) to justify your statement ...."Victorino is shaping up to be a fourth outfielder, not an everyday guy. Either that, or he has to be moved down in the batting order..." is like putting the cart before the horse. Based on Victorino's proven track record, I would not make a premature judgement knowing his value as a no.2 hitter in the line-up. Manuel's patience with Burrell last year and Howard this year is a good example of why cooler heads prevails. ;-) Tim~

Presenting a small sample (20-27 ABs) for Victorino with less than one third of the season (52 games) to justify your statement ….”Victorino is shaping up to be a fourth outfielder, not an everyday guy. Either that, or he has to be moved down in the batting order…” is like putting the cart before the horse. Based on Victorino’s proven track record, I would not make a premature judgement knowing his value as a no.2 hitter in the line-up. Manuel’s patience with Burrell last year and Howard this year is a good example of why cooler heads prevails. ;-)

]]> By: Markhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/comment-page-1/#comment-7378 Mark Mon, 26 May 2008 19:24:56 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/#comment-7378 The feast or famine Phillies offense. The feast or famine Phillies offense.

]]> By: Tim Malcolmhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/comment-page-1/#comment-7377 Tim Malcolm Mon, 26 May 2008 16:59:40 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/#comment-7377 Bruce: I presented Vic's late and close stats from this year to illustrate his poor clutch hitting this year. Sure he has a "career" (2.5 full years) of good hitting in clutch situations, but this year he had not been clutch up until that point. That's what I was looking at. Bruce: I presented Vic’s late and close stats from this year to illustrate his poor clutch hitting this year. Sure he has a “career” (2.5 full years) of good hitting in clutch situations, but this year he had not been clutch up until that point. That’s what I was looking at.

]]> By: Geoffhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/comment-page-1/#comment-7376 Geoff Mon, 26 May 2008 16:59:27 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/#comment-7376 yeah i migh thave to go pick up the latest edition of philly magazine. i really have suspected that for a LONG time. they have a brand new money magnet ballpark and they act like that have no money at all. they really dont care. ill bet by now those phone numbers are changed though. the owners let the gm move within a few million of their target line and thats it. i hope someone buys them out. some ruthless businessperson who only cares about winning and understands that theres several times more profit in winning than being a money-grubbing, bottom-feeding parasite like these owners are. yeah i migh thave to go pick up the latest edition of philly magazine. i really have suspected that for a LONG time. they have a brand new money magnet ballpark and they act like that have no money at all. they really dont care. ill bet by now those phone numbers are changed though. the owners let the gm move within a few million of their target line and thats it. i hope someone buys them out. some ruthless businessperson who only cares about winning and understands that theres several times more profit in winning than being a money-grubbing, bottom-feeding parasite like these owners are.

]]> By: chris mhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/comment-page-1/#comment-7375 chris m Mon, 26 May 2008 16:51:33 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/#comment-7375 bruce lets be serious....he had a chance to win 2 games and he didnt come through. PERIOD. not clutch. i dont give a rats ass what he did last year. he couldnt come through. dont stick up for this little retard like you do for gillick. 2 pop outs with the game on the line. he didnt get a hit yeasterday till we had the lead. he likes blowout wins bc that when he shines bruce lets be serious….he had a chance to win 2 games and he didnt come through. PERIOD. not clutch. i dont give a rats ass what he did last year. he couldnt come through. dont stick up for this little retard like you do for gillick. 2 pop outs with the game on the line. he didnt get a hit yeasterday till we had the lead. he likes blowout wins bc that when he shines

]]> By: Lewisaucehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/comment-page-1/#comment-7374 Lewisauce Mon, 26 May 2008 16:35:41 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/#comment-7374 That Philly Mag piece is priceless. It basically proves what we all knew, but it's good to see it seriously and soundly documented.And yet, if we were to kill those shadowy cheapskates, we'd go to jail. Where's the justice in that?The thing we talk about most -- the thing everybody talks about most -- is responsibility. People like us buy tickets, buy merchandise, go to the games, helped pay for the damn stadium. And yet, the owners just don't give a shit if they give us a winner or not. They feel no responsibility whatsoever to uphold their end of the bargain. Un freakin' believable. That Philly Mag piece is priceless. It basically proves what we all knew, but it’s good to see it seriously and soundly documented.

And yet, if we were to kill those shadowy cheapskates, we’d go to jail. Where’s the justice in that?

The thing we talk about most — the thing everybody talks about most — is responsibility. People like us buy tickets, buy merchandise, go to the games, helped pay for the damn stadium. And yet, the owners just don’t give a shit if they give us a winner or not. They feel no responsibility whatsoever to uphold their end of the bargain. Un freakin’ believable.

]]> By: Geoffhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/comment-page-1/#comment-7373 Geoff Mon, 26 May 2008 16:16:32 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/#comment-7373 i ecpect nothing less than 7 out of 10 wins on this homestand. 2 of three from florida is minimal. if thayre REALLY ready to start making their move theyll win 8 of 10 AND sweep florida. at the begninning of the yera i thought the tickets to this marlins game on saturday would be give away tickets. definitely going to go to that one though. they really need to put the marlins in their place in a harsh manner so that the marlins latest trip here turns into a horrible experience for that young ballclub.id still trade shane because they really cant afford to trade too many minor league prospects to get the pitching they need to be for real in the fall. i ecpect nothing less than 7 out of 10 wins on this homestand. 2 of three from florida is minimal. if thayre REALLY ready to start making their move theyll win 8 of 10 AND sweep florida. at the begninning of the yera i thought the tickets to this marlins game on saturday would be give away tickets. definitely going to go to that one though. they really need to put the marlins in their place in a harsh manner so that the marlins latest trip here turns into a horrible experience for that young ballclub.

id still trade shane because they really cant afford to trade too many minor league prospects to get the pitching they need to be for real in the fall.

]]> By: Brucehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/comment-page-1/#comment-7372 Bruce Mon, 26 May 2008 15:50:14 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/#comment-7372 Oops! Pushed the wrong key. Try again a copy on Victorino."I’m amused that Tim gave a SMAll sample from 51 games (excluding the DL period) for Victorino’s current stats with “late & close”. To get a more complete picture of Victorino’s capability as a “clutch” hitter, I looked at his career stats. Late and close: .289 BA (57 for 197 ABs); .352 OBP; 5 HRs & 28 RBIs. Within one run: .274 BA (151 for 551 ABs); .336 OBP; 9 HRs & 37 RBIs Against Relief Pitching: .285 BA (131 for 460 ABs); .343 OBPOh, just to add another item to Victorino’s reliability. Last year he hit .313 with a runner on 3rd and .286 with the bases LOADED.To Victorino: Continue to do what you excel in; get on base and be aggressive (8th stolen base and run scored) ; setting the table…hitting .379 and a .419 OBP in the last 7 games."Tim, maybe MY "open letter" encouraged Victorino yesterday. (laughter) Oops! Pushed the wrong key. Try again a copy on Victorino.

“I’m amused that Tim gave a SMAll sample from 51 games (excluding the DL period) for Victorino’s current stats with “late & close”. To get a more complete picture of Victorino’s capability as a “clutch” hitter, I looked at his career stats.
Late and close: .289 BA (57 for 197 ABs); .352 OBP; 5 HRs & 28 RBIs.
Within one run: .274 BA (151 for 551 ABs); .336 OBP; 9 HRs & 37 RBIs
Against Relief Pitching: .285 BA (131 for 460 ABs); .343 OBP

Oh, just to add another item to Victorino’s reliability. Last year he hit .313 with a runner on 3rd and .286 with the bases LOADED.

To Victorino: Continue to do what you excel in; get on base and be aggressive (8th stolen base and run scored) ; setting the table…hitting .379 and a .419 OBP in the last 7 games.”

Tim, maybe MY “open letter” encouraged Victorino yesterday. (laughter)

]]> By: Brucehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/comment-page-1/#comment-7371 Bruce Mon, 26 May 2008 15:46:47 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/#comment-7371 Apparently overlooked or ignored is a portion of yesterday's post on Victorino repeated below. Apparently overlooked or ignored is a portion of yesterday’s post on Victorino repeated below.

]]> By: Brucehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/comment-page-1/#comment-7370 Bruce Mon, 26 May 2008 15:40:47 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/#comment-7370 http://tinyurl.com/58bshjPhiladelphia Magazine's piece on Phillies' ownership. Definitely worth reading it. http://tinyurl.com/58bshj

Philadelphia Magazine’s piece on Phillies’ ownership. Definitely worth reading it.

]]> By: Tim Malcolmhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/comment-page-1/#comment-7366 Tim Malcolm Mon, 26 May 2008 14:42:50 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/#comment-7366 This is a immensely important homestand upcoming. The Phils handled the Rockies in Denver, and they're coming in without Holliday. A sweep is absolutely possible and should be strived for. Then they get a day off (which is tremendous) before the big first series with Florida, the team's first big test of the season. This is a immensely important homestand upcoming. The Phils handled the Rockies in Denver, and they’re coming in without Holliday. A sweep is absolutely possible and should be strived for. Then they get a day off (which is tremendous) before the big first series with Florida, the team’s first big test of the season.

]]> By: Lewisaucehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/comment-page-1/#comment-7362 Lewisauce Mon, 26 May 2008 09:41:02 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/#comment-7362 This series was kinda ugly, but I'll take a split on the road against a team that is playing well so far this year. What's that old saying? "Play .500 on the road, and dominate at home, and you'll win the division."Homestand next. Let's go Phils. This series was kinda ugly, but I’ll take a split on the road against a team that is playing well so far this year. What’s that old saying? “Play .500 on the road, and dominate at home, and you’ll win the division.”

Homestand next. Let’s go Phils.

]]> By: Brian Michaelhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/comment-page-1/#comment-7361 Brian Michael Mon, 26 May 2008 05:23:05 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/#comment-7361 I agree. He gets the Ashburn Award today because he rebounded and helped to salvage the series; but he still blew two opportunities in two days. Tim's right too, the bullpens really mattered today. The Houston bullpen looked like a high schoolers out there, I almost felt bad for them. Almost... I agree. He gets the Ashburn Award today because he rebounded and helped to salvage the series; but he still blew two opportunities in two days. Tim’s right too, the bullpens really mattered today. The Houston bullpen looked like a high schoolers out there, I almost felt bad for them. Almost…

]]> By: chris mhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/comment-page-1/#comment-7354 chris m Mon, 26 May 2008 01:43:24 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/#comment-7354 victorinos not off the leash in my eyes...none of his hits came until we had the lead. victorinos not off the leash in my eyes…none of his hits came until we had the lead.

]]> By: Joe DiMaggiohttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/comment-page-1/#comment-7352 Joe DiMaggio Mon, 26 May 2008 01:38:30 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/05/phils-smash-astros-with-two-big-innings/#comment-7352 Time to start a good run at home to assume leadership of the division. Nice to see the offense starting to unleash some power with accross the board hitting. Feliz is starting to show his value and Victorino and Howard are showing promise of coming around.Hope that Jenkins starts to perform with Werth on the DL. Time to start a good run at home to assume leadership of the division. Nice to see the offense starting to unleash some power with accross the board hitting. Feliz is starting to show his value and Victorino and Howard are showing promise of coming around.

Hope that Jenkins starts to perform with Werth on the DL.

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