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Myers needs to be moved into the bullpen where he can work on his stuff and not get the Phils into trouble. It’s either that or they need to out right trade him. Who do you think they would go for? C.C. Sabathia ?

Below are comments (given in team report) from Ruben Amaro Jr….

“Assistant GM Ruben Amaro Jr. doesn’t expect there to be much
activity at the trade deadline. The Phillies, leading the NL East,
would like to upgrade their roster, particularly the pitching staff.
But the market likely won’t yield many options. “It’s going to be
very tough to acquire players,” Amaro said. “There’s just so much
parity. We’ve talked to several teams already that we’d think are no
longer contenders, and they’ve started the wishy-washy-ness of
believing they’re still in it. Things don’t usually come to a head
until late July, and that’s when (contending) teams are hoping that
people go crazy and do something that would benefit the
(contenders).” It’s unlikely the Phillies have enough minor-league
prospects to land an elite starter like C.C. Sabathia or Erik Bedard.
They’d be more likely to acquire a mid-level pitcher, similar to last
season, when they traded for Kyle Lohse.”

Note the last line…”….more likely to acquire a mid-level pitcher,
similar to last season, when they traded for Kyle Lohse.” ;-)

Condrey is not a set up man. The Yankees thing is a radio rumor Geoff. I think Durbin should be the set up man.

That cardinals team is garbage. I cant believe they lost two out of three after humiliating them on friday. brett myers is done as a starting pitcher, go get somebody else. i crave a number two starter, but at this point this team would be leaps and bounds better if they still had kyle lohse or someone like him.

amaro is always the guy that comes out and says their not going to do anything. gillick and the owners will say they will, but then this asshole comes out and says no we have no interest or no were not going to do it.

i really dont want that lapdog to be the next general manager of this team. they need someone who is creative. chad durbin is better than those two guys. i need myers in the pen or out of town. sorry, he doesnt help this team in any way at all. he has had like three good games this year. thats it.

Basically no blame should be assigned to Gordon here, unless you want to blame his fielding/vision. He got 4 outs in the 9th inning. That should be enough.

Bastardo has given up only 1 ER total in his last 2 starts at Reading. I’d love for him to come up soon. Although now I’d like him to come up for Myers instead of Eaton. Amazing.

They need to do something. Its too early to pull the trigger on the trade for their “savior starter” and its too dangerous to send myers out there again. the scouts are still checking out a few guys who are available so theres a gap of a few weeks here where they are going to need quality starts out of myers’ slot in the rotation. im not mad at eaton anymore because myers is so glaringly the weakest link. on any other team hed be out of there by now but this team is having a hard time admitting that they made a mistake in not acquiring a better starter for myers’ role. even kyle lohse, who doesnt have the greatest stuff, is far better than myers rightnow.

i told everyone months ago that there would be a gap, that one of these guys would crap out. it ahppens to EVERY team. its foolish to think it wouldnt happen to them. bastardo or chad durbin are the obvious candidates for a series of two or three starts here. i lean towards bastardo because durbin is doing too well in his role and carrasco isnt ready yet.

I’m totally sick of Myers. Anyone else notice that even when he wasn’t getting shelled, his fastball is just dead? His max velocity is something like 89 mph (not to mention he can’t locate it). That’s fine for an ace if the ace is Pedro Martinez five years ago or Tom Glavine 10 years ago. It ain’t fine for Brett Myers.

He needs a phantom DL trip, if nothing else to try to figure out what’s up. I like the idea of making him a setup guy and then trying to sell him to someone as a closer. The problem is that they won’t do it. Amarsehole Jr. already said that “there aren’t any pitchers out there we can get.” If they seriously try to go through this entire season with the starting five they have, I will be sick to my stomach. It’s not that any of the other four are bad, by any means. It’s just that pitchers get hurt, and it’s only a matter of time before someone in this rotation goes down with a real injury. Let’s suppose it’s someone other than Myers. Now we have a question mark in the rotation where the injury is, plus an automatic shithead loss with Brett.

Thats exactly right. they pulled it to sign jenkins and feliz? well ok fine, but is 7 million a year going to cripple this franchise so bad that they had to pull it once they signed those two? thats GARBAGE. they should have come back and UPPED the offer to secure his signature. yes thats right. im so sick of this self imposed salary cap. the people that still believe that are the same people that believe that iraq still had weapons of mass destruction.

Madson, weaker link? Nah. He got off to a rough start, but I don’t even remember the last time he gave up a run.

They need to showcase myers as a reliever leading up to the deadline and hope that he helps out. thats the only way they can maximize his value. if theyre going to go all out for a top of the line starter then they need to resign him in the offseason. if they get a lohse type and he proves solid and helps us like lohse did, then resign him too. im sick of this failure to pony up the money it takes to lock up a championship team for years to come. theyre holding the whole city hostage.

everyone knows that the salary cap is a lie now. they have to know that everyone knows that, so the jig is up. its time to shell out the dough.

Cuz and the Professor were saying on 610 today (I had to spend a chunk of the morning in the car) that Myers has no trade value at all, and that there’s no one in-house who can take his spot and be effective in the rotation (i.e. Chad Durbin is too valuable where he is, the AAA guys aren’t ready, etc.). Both said we have to stick with Myers and “hope he turns it around.” Cuz said something like “If he can get to the All-Star break, sometimes that break helps guys out mentally.”

We can’t wait that long.

Macnow also pulled out something interesting. It was a quote from somebody in the Cubs organization about the success of Ryan Dempster this year as he’s moved to starter for the first time. The quote was something along the lines of: ‘Dempster, from the first moment we told him he was going to be a starter, changed his preparation and his workout regimen. He became an excellent physical specimen and prepared himself to go seven innings at a time. That’s one of the reason’s he’s been so good.’

Macnow and Cuz both speculated that Myers, after being moved FROM a spot he liked TO a spot he doesn’t like, maybe let himself go during the off-season. Certainly he came into this season carrying more weight than last year, which tells me he didn’t prepare himself during the off-season.

I’m beginning to think there’s no injury and it’s not even really mental. I’m beginning to think he’s simply at an age that demands he prepare himself if he is going to be effective, and that he simply didn’t bother to prepare himself. His way of silently protesting his move back to the rotation. Or maybe he didn’t even think about it and it happened subconsciously. Whatever.

Thoughts?

(P.S. I’m not a 610 groupie — I despise Eskin, and those morning guys annoy the crap out of me — but Macnow’s their best guy (especially when he’s paired with Dittinger) and Gargano’s palatable.)

10 million that’s going to go to Lidge, Hamels, and Victorino.

yeah i know its going to them. but when burrells 14 million walk away at the end of this year, does that go to another starting pitcher? it should automatically do that. cant they suck it up and take on 10 million for the second half of the season? that place is a theme park. t-shirts with number on the back are like 50 bucks down there. hate are 20 bucks. jerseys are like 150-200 bucks.

Myers is the weakest link on this whole team hands down. I’m actually starting to think Howard has value once again. He’s climbing up the ladder and is now 3rd in the league in RBIs. I have a feeling he’ll lead the league in RBI’s again this year. As far as I’m concerned he did last year too, but Holliday robbed him by having an extra game to play.

Yeah im actually not mad at howard anymore. his average is low because he strikes out a lot but his home run and rbi numbers are pretty good.

i bought a hat there for 25 bucks. theyre 35? damn. a plain red standard phillies hat was 25 from one of those small stands.

not fitted

Yeah, the fitted ones are $35. They’re also much nicer in my opinion. They’re $30 at regular stores. I guess CBP jacks them up $5 more knowing rich Penn kids like to go to their games and get drunk and will buy a hat so they can fit in so they make $5 extra on the hats.

I got my Rollins Jersey in like 2005 for $25. It’s not authentic, but whatever. Who can afford that shit?

Modells. I was gonna buy a Howard or Utley jersey there this winter. They had them for $34.99, but I don’t forsee Howard being a Philly that much longer and I have one of those Chase Utley fake jersey shirt things. I’m really feeling a Lidge jersey if they resign him.

To not resign Burrell is insane. He’s not worth $14 million a season, but I’d offer him a 5 year $50 million contract. He’s worth that. I know he’s no Manny, but what is Manny like 90 and still playing left field? Burrell is bad defensively, but he’s not atrocious. His bat more than makes up for it too, and I think he’s one of those players that will hit better the older he gets. I feel that he is a staple to this organization and a silent leader in the club house. I really want to see Burrell retire in a Phillies uniform and become a hitting coach. He has a good eye and waits for his pitch. That is something that needs to be taught and practiced, and he can teach that to young hitters.

BURELL…. the highest he EVER hit in a season is .282 His three highest home run totals 37, 32, 30 … and he’s passed 100 RBIs only twice in his entire career… so he is FAR from a guarantee in any of those numbers you listed.. To sign him to a 5 year deal would be insane, because he has almost no range now in the outfield… he can’t play DH if he stays with us…

I think something around 2 years- $20 million would be good.. with an option for a 3rd year.. I like Burrell, but they need some pitching.. and $10 million a year can get you something decent.. or go towards Hamels.. then maybe Carrasco, Savery, Drabek.. one or two of those guys might be good..and 4 years from now you’ll need lots of money to keep them..