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The ageless wonder has been doing it for so many years with guile and savvy. I absolutely enjoy watching 45 yr old Moyer baffled those aggressive fastball hitters with off speed pitches. He is very special and all baseball fans..not just fans of the phillies, should appreciate his craft in an era of glamorized 95 MPH throwers.

Moyer is like fine wine that gets better with age. For the Phillies, it’s like having an “ace” in hand when ever Moyer pitch against Florida. And as Tim mentioned, he now has an astounding career record of 9 wins in 9 starts (9-0) against them.

Moyer said after the game that he doesn’t subscribe to the theory of being so effective against the Marlins because they are “young” or “impatiently agressive”.

“I’m not buying that one anymore,” Moyer said. “These guys have been around two, three, four years. They’ve got a far better idea than they’ve had in the past and they’re a better ballclub.”

Which makes Moyer’s performance tonight all the more special.

I love it!

All the people I talked Phil’s with in the off season said “I’m worried about moyer”. I steadfastly defended him, and also had a thing to say about Myers. This isn’t news, Moyer’s Hall of Fame caliber. He plays the game for the best reasons and is a true athlete and sportsmen.

Great win for Moyer and the Phils. But offense needs a wake up call. Not enough runs on the board!

Moyer is probably my favorite pitcher to watch in baseball. It’s reassuring knowing that at the end of the season, when we have what may be 2 division deciding series with the Marlins in the final 3 weeks, Moyer will most likely be facing, or “acing”, them twice.

I’m not too worried about the lack of runs scored, especially since we won the game. We will need those for the Cards and Sox series.

I would not be upset to see Howard go for pitching at all as long as we are going to be able to keep Burrell. Especially with Utley’s newfound power. We don’t need what little he has been contributing so far this season. He feasts on weak pitching like the rest of the team but will be the first to collapse entirely in a close game. I’ve been thinking its long past due for him to move down to the 7 spot, but a Feliz-Howard-Ruiz-Pitcher bottom of the rotation could get REALLY ugly. Mostly for my TV screen.

On the flip side, if we stick with Howard through all of this, and whats happening right now is really some kind of black hole anomaly, it could pay dividends for us negotiating his contract later. He got his money for this season and he has to know that he isn’t earning it, so maybe he would be willing to ease up a lot so that we could sign him at a real-world price. This could just be a pipedream though. And in reality, is there going to be anyone available to add power to this lineup in his place?

Like many, I keep wishing Jayson Werth is something that he is not.

I can honestly say that was about my favorite game to watch this year. I would absolutely love to see Moyer at the All Star game in a Phils cap.

I’ll come out and also say, I’m thankful we didn’t bench Werth for Taguchi last night.

Holy cow.

I just read in the Phillies notebook that last night the team played a prank on Werth, having him slotted to play catcher last night on the first lineup card in the dugout. He wound up believing it and even going to Moyer to talk about hitters. They had him completely fooled. Just another reason I love this team. While several people on here believed the sky was falling and wanted to bench Werth, instead, he’s on the recieving end of a prank like that. Absolutely fantastic!!! Once again, Charlie proves to be smarter than the average fan!

Werth is the real deal. He may be the real deal as a platoon player the rest of his career, but that’s OK (at least for a few years until his contract rises to the level of an everyday player; then you have decisions to make). I too wish he would get better at hitting righties, and I’m of the opinion that he will with more exposure and PT.

I’ve been thinking about the impending off-season Howard contract issue as well. I don’t think there’s any way in hell he’ll ease off. He is a whining primadonna who will try to weasel all the money he can out of the team. The only positive from his poor-ass performance is that the team can use it as a bargaining chip when it goes to arbitration (which it will, because he won’t ask for anything less than like $15 million). So maybe the team can convince an arbiter that Howard is only legitimately worth $7 million (actually less, but that’s what they offered him last year).

ive warmed up to moyer. he has bad games against patient teams usually, but honestly i cant get on him for his season. its been good. jamie moyer is the least of our concerns in the starting rotation. i still dont trust eaton despite his performances. and myers has been garbage this year except for like two starts.

but a 45 year old man out there going 6 no hit innings and 8 shutout innings against a young power hitting team that leads mlb in home runs in the florida heat?? AWESOME! you have to love it when he breaks out the old man strength.

i am amazed sometimes how he gets people out. with his stuff he shouldnt be able to get anyone out but he does.

i didnt know werth used to be a catcher

Speaking of Eaton, anyone else notice that Saturday’s game is scheduled as Eaton vs. Lohse?

No matter the outcome, there’s some irony there.

The NL Central is a garbage division. The Phillies took care of the cubs when they came here. the pirates do well against the phillies but their ownership doesnt want to win. the cardinals appear overrated. and weve seen the astros already.

the rotation numbers for st louis look good on the surface. it makes it really obvious that we should have signed kyle lohse. that was really really arrogant and stupid to do that they did.

however, wellemeyer is defintiely overrated. so are the cardinals

I forgot about the brewers because theyre like 7 games out in that division…garbage

what are the chances we trade for lohse at the deadline?

Trading for Loshe means admitting a mistake. trading for millwood or padilla is similar to that, though not as pronounced. they will not do that. id be shocked.

I doubt we’d trade for Lohse anyway, because the Cards won’t be out of the Central or WC race most likely…

Seems like Sabathia will be going to the Yanks, Sox or Cubs. There goes the boat on that deal.

Geoff, what do you think we could give up for Sheets? I can’t see a deal going down without a MLB-ready player included in the package.

Sheets is younger than lowe, but if now sheets then you get lowe. if not lowe, then someone else. you dont give up you keep trying for it.

anwyay. sheets? every team will ask for cardenas as part of anything id think. everyone will ask for carrasco, but i REALLY would rather not give up carrasco. he has developed a nice curveball.

id shell out cardenas, happ, bastardo and one other lesser prospect. thatd be a decent starting point. its imperative to resign whoever you get though.

i understand that but the last three seasons hes started 22, 17 and 24 games. for what youd have to give up for this injury prone guy you could make runs at bedard, CC and others for less that will play. last thing we need now is to waste the farm on someone who cant pitch more then 24 games on his best season

what about zach grienke? theres a lot of talk the royals will move him & gil meche. thats an interesting name because hes only 25

meche isnt worth it. can he even eat innings? i didnt look at his average iinnings per start.

at least bronson arroyo can chew up some decent innings.

i doubt theyll give up bannister. but greinke would be ok. i still prefer to ryan howard to the angels trade thts unlikely to happen. im telling you guys, man, thats the team they need to target howard to. im going to see that team next week when theyre here in addition to the red sox earlier in the week. theyve got a lot of talent on that team that i want to get a hold of if im a GM.

if i were the giants and the phillies called and offered ryan howard for lincecum straight up, id laugh at gillick and hang up the phone

youre right, lincecum is AWESOME.

Yeah probably. Wed have to give up more than the farm for him i think though.

Hell yeah