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Rumors: Scouting Bedard; Donald For Cabrera?

Posted by Tim Malcolm, Mon, June 30, 2008 11:07 AM | Comments: 74
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A few rumors on this Case of the Mondays:

  • Through Ken Mandel and other places, it seems the Phillies scouted Erik Bedard last week when he faced Atlanta. A deal would probably include Shane Victorino and Carlos Carrasco (or James Happ) for the lefty.

I wrote earlier that I would try to steer from trading Victorino, but for Bedard, who would be a Phillie through 2010? That’s a little more debatable. An absolute win-now move, of course.

Barry Federovitch of the Trenton Times writes what I basically wrote before — that trading Vic would be damaging to the offense.

  • Mike Finney of the News Journal (Wilmington, Del.) writes about how the O’s need to continue rebuilding, and suggests trading for a young shortstop — the Reading Phils’ Jason Donald.

He recommends Donald for Daniel Cabrera. Then writes, for some weird reason:

“Nah, the Phillies probably are still a little upset about that I-95 World Series in 1983 or something.”

Yeah, Mike, we’re all bitter about that ’83 series. Boy, I really hate that Mike Flanagan. Anyway, it’s not a bad deal straight up, although I said it’s best not to touch Cabrera.

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  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    jason donald by himself for cabrera?

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Cabrera is a nice piece… IF… they do something else too.. If Cabrera is your #4 or #5.. that improves your rotation a lot.

    Its becomming more and more clear that the Phillies offense is going to be inconsistent the entire year. Its built too much like an AL team, relying on the HR all the time.. and when they don’t get that, they don’t win.

    I think Victorino is a very explosive player, but Werth can play everyday, and do a very good job. If we get the Bedard that pitched for Baltimore, instead of the Seattle-type then this trade is a steal

     
  • Posts: 0 scot

    I’d do that Bedard trade in a heartbeat.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Tim,
    were you able to find that link I sent you… Thats the thing with trade RUMOR websites though… they can just run with a story, and nobody has a name attached to anything.. its just all through “a source” …which is why I tend to believe the Starks, and Tim Kurkjans (however you spell that).. guys that are on TV and have to maintain a certain level of professionalism, and they can’t just steadily throw out random rumors.

    I would love to hear from one of those guys A) what the Phils plan to do with Myers and B) What the plan for Burrell and Lidge are …

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    I overreacted about rollins. i just think he needs a good chewing out about his hitting. trading him would be to much when hes signed to a long term contract. im really pissed at him right now though.

    donald for cabrera straight up? they must have overpaid him. id prob do it.

    does anyone think cabrera has turned the corner?i think he might have but i havent seen him enough to be sure.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    they HAVE to resign lidge. especially if they run myers out of town. resigning lidge is a no brainer, you have to give him whatever he wants.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bruce

    From Rotoworld.com

    Erik Bedard-S- Mariners Jun. 29 – 7:21 pm et

    “Erik Bedard, who left his last start and then missed a turn in the rotation due to back spasms, returned to the mound and picked up a win after holding the Padres to one run in 5 2/3 innings on Sunday.

    He struck out three and walked three while yielding two singles and a double. He departed with runners on first and third with two outs in the sixth, but reliever Sean Green bailed him out of the jam. Bedard is hardly a lock to avoid further back issues the rest of the way, but he looks fine to get active in all leagues for now.”

    Now it’s “back spasms”…. hmm-m

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    isnt dan cabrera signed for a few years?

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    if bedard isnt durable (cant routinely go over 100 pitches) liek his manager said, then i dont want him. you need a guy that can throw a CG

     
  • Posts: 0 Bruce

    From Prospect Insider.com… on Erik Bedard

    “I like his game still,” said an American League Central scout. “He can still get the strikeouts, and has thrown the ball as well as ever at times this season. I still think he’s a borderline No. 1, but I am a little bit concerned that he’s holding back because he knows he’s HURT.”

     
  • Posts: 0 Bruce

    from SI.com… list of injuries for Erik Bedard for this season (not to mention past years’ injuries like knee ligament)

    INJURIES
    Date Status Injury
    06/20/2008 0 days out Back spasms
    04/09/2008 15 days out Left hip inflammation

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    yes bruce, for once id agree that bedard is not our guy, nor is burnett.

    i do NOT trust the phillies trainers at all. what would happen if the ytraded for an injured guy that tanked out or got hurt again? that would be insane.

    if that injured guy is harden then i can make an exception, otherwise forget it.

    bedard cant throw compelte games even when healthy.

    if you think about it theres no a lot out there. thats why dan cabrera is enticing and thats why the idea of harang is both creative and the best option.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    with the phillies medical staff im not touching bedard.

    if they had a good medical staff id consider it if he came cheap. but he wont even come cheap.

    i said happ and vic for bedard is ok. for a HEALTHY bedard, sure its a great deal. but when you cant go over 100 pitches because you dont want to get hurt again?

    thats garbage

     
  • Posts: 0 scot

    ya know, the more i think about trading vic or werth there is one thing that scares me…

    more at bats for geoff jenkins. I mean, are we gonna throw so out their against lefty’s? dobbsy?

    I’d still do the trade, but man, I’m not sure I can handle Jenkins being an everyday guy.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    i cant…

    is there ANYONE here that does NOT think we should just pay him to get out of sight?

    you cant get anyone worth a damn for him.

     
  • Posts: 0 scot

    honestly, jenkins is the worst move of the gillick era.

    worse than barajas, helms, freddy garcia, worse than all them combined. that fact that this guy gets 7 million to be an awful part time player boggles my mind. he’s the worst.

     
  • Posts: 0 Rob (the Phils fan)

    I would trade Vic but no way am I trading Carrasco. Happ and Vic for Bedard would probably not be enough for the Mariners. Maybe toss Donald into that deal. The only way I am trading Carrrasco is in a deal for Harden, as Harden is under contract for two more years at a pretty cheap rate.

     
  • Posts: 0 chris m

    its amazing gillicks been here 3 years and has a pretty long list of bad moves…but i cant trust gillick to make the right move. he has one foot out the door and probaly doesnt give a shit what he leaves behind. he makes me real nervous to make a blockbuster deal

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    i dont know that gillick is actually calling the shots anymore. i think him and montgomery and tutoring amaro and theyll let amaro takeover next year which is a HUGE mistake. amaro is such a sychophantic lapdog.

    i heard billy beane might leave after this season or next seasom to pursue a new challenge….i would offer him MAD money to be our GM. i would seriously like make him the highest paid GM and ship him right in here.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Geoff.. you said we “need a guy that can throw a CG” …. at this point, I’d love any pitcher that can get us 6-7 innings. They look FAR from a contending team right now, so I’d take any pitcher that can shut down the opponent for any stretch of time… Hamels has thrown 2 Complete Games.. I dont think anyone else on our roster has any.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jesse

    If we trade Vic, I say we go after Placido Polanco to play 3B and hit in the #2 spot. Talk about a shot in the arm for the offense. He’s hitting .320 and just makes things happen out of the two spot. I think he’d be a great guy for the stretch run on the field, and in the club house.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    noone else has thrown a CG. ill either take one stud that throws 7-CG’s or two guys that give you 6-7 innings of quality pitching.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    noone else has thrown a CG. ill either take one stud that throws 7-CG’s or two guys that give you 6-7 innings of quality pitching. meanwhile the rays have matt garza, who is like their 3rd or 4th guy, out there throwing a complete game the other day

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    The Rays are currently the best team in baseball… anyone see that one coming??

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    their general manager actually knows what they are doing.

    when you dont have a big payroll and you put together a grea tteam. thats all the general manager and the coaching.

    theres no reason pat gillick shouldnt be able to put together a better squad than this by the trade deadline

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    The Rays are also a contact hitting team. I watched them against the cubs reel off base hit after base hit against zambrano

     
  • Posts: 0 ryan

    i’m 100% on board with both of those trades.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    It all goes back to that MoneyBall concept… the way to win is to score more runs than the other team.. the best way to score runs is to have baserunners… so you need guys with a high OBP% runners, and then get some hits to drive them in …

    Not.. hope for a hit, and then pray for a Home Run.. which is what the Phillies do now…

    Victorino and Rollins are only helpful to our offense if they get on for Utley, Howard, Burrell to drive them in. This offense just has too many holes, and this ship seems to be going down right now… they are a better team than this, but there projected win total is now at 85.86 …. just two weeks ago it was at 92.something …. just taking their win% x 162 games…

    86 wins in a close NL East is going to make for another interesting September.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    yeah they really do need to focus on runs and baserunning thats exactly right. if you have a small ballpark you dont need to overpay for big sluggers. one of those guys in the future and now should in reality be an awesome contact hitter more than a power guy. in the playoffs its harder to silence contact/on base guys. teams like the rays will be able to get a few runs in the playoffs even if theyre facing studly pitching. the phillies basically cant get any runs off of stud pitchers.

     
  • Posts: 0 Gavin

    1) If they wanted Happ and Vic for bedard you have to do that deal. My bet is that they trade Vic, Happ, and Carrasco for bedard. Not a big fan of that one.

    2) Geoff and Don M are right. The Phils have to get on base. period. Someone talk to these pricks about making some solid contact. Shit. Looking at the Rangers and A’s lineup….I know baseball and there’s an assload of guys I’ve never even heard of and they whooped our asses.

    3) I think Werth could be as good a #2 hitter as Vic.

    4) I think its truely time for Myers to go, and I was one of the guys in his corner a month ago. Gotta shake this team up right now.

     
  • Posts: 0 Gavin

    5) Cabrera is an Oliver Perez type. Would be a good #4, but would drive us all crazy. he’ll pitch 8 innings of 2 hit ball then have 3 starts where he doesnt get out of the 5th. then he pitches lights out for 5 straight starts, etc.

    6) Logical short term solution. Myers to pen, Condrey to AAA, Happ/Carrasco into rotation. This is right up Phils ally. Cheap solution…..but it might actually work.

     
  • Posts: 0 Gavin

    7) If this lneup doesnt turn things around soon…..Milt Thompson should be out the door.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    I think if you pull myers from the rotation you maybe can showcase him for a trade in the pen a bit. but you really have to get him out of this organization.

    I agree with that Gavin. There were a bunch of guys on the A’s and the Rangers that I dont know much about it at all and they just made contact and drove in runs.

    I dont think bedard is going to be worth his pricetag. i think hes injured and he hasnt been able to go more than 6 innings regularly this year. i dotn want any part of some injured guy.

    burnett is always injured and he also is an asshole who has no heart.

    i think you have to look at some off of the radar names that might not be in contract years. harang, harden, and others. harden at least has supreme talent when he is healthy.

    i dont like a lot of the other names tossed around. arroyo? garbage. byrd? roided up garbage. wolf? eh if you have to take him back you can. if you HAVE to. sabathia? costs too much and wont be able to resign him.

    gillick will have to be very creative with his decision here. im not a fan of giving away carrasco. that bothers me. happ is 26 but carrasco has an entire carreer ahead of him. you dont throw guys liek that out the door for rentals.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    option 6 is the ideal short term fix gavin. its happ or carrasco. chad durbins having a career year in this role. i dont want to screw with that.

    number 7 is dead on. milt thompson has to go here. theres no reason why a lineup THIS talented from 1-5/6 cant produce.

     
  • Posts: 0 ryan

    myers sure would make a great replacement for tom gordon in the bullpen. we all know we can’t count on flash.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    No! No Bedard… That’s just asking for trouble and paying for the privaledge, he looked very good without eating enough innings with the O’s and looks like a club house cancer who will miss enough starts for it to be a problem with the M’s.

    Cabrera could be a good move as he could be brought in for a prospect that’s expendable and Donald fits the bill wheras Carrasco really doesn’t as despite all the negative chatter he’s worth the benefit of the doubt for a shot as a mainstay in the Phils rotation.

    Let’s be real here, an impact starter would be nice but the door isn’t closed and we have two solid years before the face of the team starts to change with pitching prospects likely ready for next year including Mathieson, Happ, Carrasco, Outman and Savery that could fill the holes with upside.

    Two sure facts, Santana wont be a Phil and Bedard won’t look like a good Phil.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    you mean sabathia but yeah both of those statements are accurate.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    i was all about bedard before i looked into him in detail.

     
  • Posts: 0 chris m

    wow ryans back…where you been? all i could think of you saying right now is this teams in first place so dont worry. all you say. your comments of a week back have bit u in the ass. stupid shit u said

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    The Phils definitely got exposed as a fraud. now they have to reestablish themselves in their own league as a contender. the mets series was going to be meaningless a few weeks ago but now its very important.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Chris… is there really a need to talk so much sh!t to other people on here?? …

    in the past 3-4 days we’ve heard that: I don’t know anything about baseball, and I say some really stupid things some times.

    and now…

    that all Ryan says “is that this team is in first place…and the stupid sh!t he said”

    Seriously…

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Mets still suck because Jose Reyes is the most overrated player in all of baseball…. Beltran and Wright are both very good, but their team isn’t built to win anything… Marlins have no pitching… Braves are just too knocked up, and I’m wondering if they are going to move Texiera to get something for him.. and the Nationals… well, I’m sure they are nice guys…

     
  • Posts: 0 Rob

    Remember Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one. So all this catty bitching is stupid.

    Hate to sound like a broken record but I spoke to my buddy from Washington state. He confirmed that Bedard is an asshole and is a locker room cancer. I agree with NJ. An impact starter would be great but there is no reason to dump Carassco, the other guys I would be more inclined to trade, but there is no reason to sell the farm for a impact starter.

    Also is that THE Ricky Battlico, as an Iron Pigs commentator.

     
  • Posts: 0 Tom

    make a trade for any starting pitcher…everyone needs to realize that half the time maybe more these prospects dont pan out…trade for bedard have asolid 1a 1b combo with hamels and win the division and move towards the series…like carrasco or happ isnt gonna help us this year or maybe not even next year…the only prospect i would deam untouchable is harmon the catcher just becuase or GIDP is the worst hiter in the world

     
  • Posts: 0 Tom

    bedard is a a so called cancer bc he been on terrible teams his whole career…i know that not an excuse but pout him on a contender and the man will shine

     
  • Posts: 0 Tom

    teams who win championships make the big move when it counts…im so tired of standing pat…make a move my god everyone complains about not selling the farm…win now!!!!!!!!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Yeha but he wont shine because hes been pitching like an injured player. cant go beyond 100 pitches. i dotn want some no-stamina starter out there. tahts no good.

    go get me aaron harang. whoever brought that up weeks ago inittially about harang, thats a great idea.

    i doubt theyll trade him though.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    i dont want to sell the farm because thiss team was exposed as a fraud that has more problems than starting pitching alone.

    i used to thin kjust one starting pitcher would solve it all too. but they have MANY more problems than that.

    theyre going to need the best of their farm players before the season is over. ill bet carrasco gets the call and does well. and then adam eaton craps out and hes the guy that gets replaced by the number tow starter

     
  • Posts: 0 Tom

    i think he just needs to be motivated…he had 221 SOs last year…hes nasty…id give up vic and happ in a second…they need a number 1 or 2 starter they don’t need another fill in starter like paul byrd…they need a stud or its a wrap

     
  • Posts: 0 Tom

    relax they r not a fraud we all know the phillies play there best ball in august…rollins hits like .500 in august…there in a bad patch every1 needs to chill out…im not saying im happy with the way they played but its juneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee…..

     
 
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