Rumors: Scouting Bedard; Donald For Cabrera?
Posted by Tim Malcolm, Mon, June 30, 2008 11:07 AM | Comments: 74
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A few rumors on this Case of the Mondays:
- Through Ken Mandel and other places, it seems the Phillies scouted Erik Bedard last week when he faced Atlanta. A deal would probably include Shane Victorino and Carlos Carrasco (or James Happ) for the lefty.
I wrote earlier that I would try to steer from trading Victorino, but for Bedard, who would be a Phillie through 2010? That’s a little more debatable. An absolute win-now move, of course.
Barry Federovitch of the Trenton Times writes what I basically wrote before — that trading Vic would be damaging to the offense.
- Mike Finney of the News Journal (Wilmington, Del.) writes about how the O’s need to continue rebuilding, and suggests trading for a young shortstop — the Reading Phils’ Jason Donald.
He recommends Donald for Daniel Cabrera. Then writes, for some weird reason:
“Nah, the Phillies probably are still a little upset about that I-95 World Series in 1983 or something.”
Yeah, Mike, we’re all bitter about that ’83 series. Boy, I really hate that Mike Flanagan. Anyway, it’s not a bad deal straight up, although I said it’s best not to touch Cabrera.
Posts: 0 Tom
I mean cmon phils r still in first…and still way above better then they were this time last season….victorino can be replaced and no matter how you see it SP is the weakness of this team…the bullpen is solid and the hitting is in a slump to much talent on this team to think they will score 1 or 2 runs a night
Posted: 04:54 PM on June 30, 2008
Posts: 0 Keith
Not to say that its anything big but Matt Smith made his first appearence of the year in the GCL today gave up nothing in the inninng and he struck out 1. Just thought that I would inform you guys about him. Hopefully he can get back to his 2006 self where he was 0-1 with only giving up 2 ER in 20.2 IP
Posted: 06:10 PM on June 30, 2008
Posts: 0 Gavin
Bedard may be a dick in SEA, but i never heard that when he was in Balt and he was considered one of the top 10 pitchers in the bigs the last 3 years. I dont see any reason not to trade for him unless you give up to many blue chips. Sea is desperate to deal.
he may be a frontrunner, but if he comes to a competitive team, maybe he brightens up a bit.
Posted: 07:26 PM on June 30, 2008
Posts: 0 Joe Durbin
It would be great to see Happ come up.
I am Chad Durbin’s father. When Chad was born we lived in the same area as the Happs in Illinois.
Chad’s mom was from the same High School, and I was from a rival school a few miles away.
I played basketball against Happ’s father in league play.
He was a good athlete.
Happ deserves a shot too.
I am sure Chad will do whatever is asked without worrying about it.
He expressed to me that he needs to be stretched out to start and go more than four innings effectively though.
Go Phillies!
Joe
Posted: 07:28 PM on June 30, 2008
Posts: 0 chrism
don m thanks for jumping on me. I never said I don’t know anything bout baseball or that so don m don’t put wods in my mouth. you don’t know anything bout baseball to think gillick is such a great gm. now you defend ryan bc he says meyers is much more reliable then flash..r u kidding me..that’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. meyers has given up more first innings runs then I’ve ever seen and he only has one inning from the bullpen…u think if he’s a setup man he’s going to do any better? common… and back to u don m…I would love to beat the shit out of u and by chance I add more knowledgable stuff to this site then u…u only talk when theres trade talks or if someone is bashing gillick… I thinl u switch ur name btw ryan and don so u have people agree with u
Posted: 07:43 PM on June 30, 2008
Posts: 0 chrism
don and talking too ur buddy in washington doesn’t help me… does he follow him around the locker room. anybody could be portrayyed any way. how would he know how bedard acts…he reads newspapers? for real add something intelligant to this convo
Posted: 07:48 PM on June 30, 2008
Posts: 0 chrism
btw the reason I ctricize peeps is bc theyv say stupid shit… I don’t say anything to people tthat know stuff. I praise geoff bc of his knowledge. phil knows his stuff but we go back and forth on pionts but that’s y blogs r fun… a few other people I like too but some people say outrageous stuff and I say something…not 1 bit wrong with that
Posted: 08:03 PM on June 30, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
Chad Durbin has been a quality pickup. It was a good move by gillick. Im hard on gillick but I think that Chad Durbin has been a great addition to this team.
Isnt he having one of his best years in this role?
I think that it would be messing with a good thing to move him into the rotation right now.
Posted: 08:06 PM on June 30, 2008
Posts: 0 chrism
durbin was a great move. but who would ever think hed have this year. he took a chance and it paid off he got lucky based on his carreer stats… he could crack any moment who knows… I hopw not but it was a move that paid off for now. he’s doing great where he’s at so don’t touch him
Posted: 08:19 PM on June 30, 2008
Posts: 0 scot
i would love to beat the shit out of you? really? awesome stuff, chris.
i gotta admit i tend to agree with gavin. i hadn’t heard anything about bedard being a cancer in baltimore. in Seattle there are also rumors of the asian players not getting along with everyone else. that whole atmosphere there is toxic, and everyone is pointing a finger at someone else and scapegoating them. put bedard on a contender, let him pitch every 5th day, and he’ll be fine. nobody is asking him to be a leader, the team has chase and jimmy for that. we just need a guy to go out every 5th day and get the job done. bedard is one of the best options out there.
Posted: 08:20 PM on June 30, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
youre all missing the real issue: performance. hes HURT! he cant go over 100 pitches per start! F that guy. we need a real healthy guy out there.
if youre getting an injured guy, burnett or harden are your choices there. sheets isnt available anymore
Posted: 08:27 PM on June 30, 2008
Posts: 0 chrism
chemistry is contageist.or however u spell it. put him in a good lockerroom hell be fine. bad lockerooms will bring the worst out of someone… if he’s not acting fine here someone like a rollins burell or utley will sit him down and give him an attitude change…who wants to be in a lockerroom with a team like the mets when all the guys are speaking spanish..no american guy with be happy… when u got all americans on r team chemistry will be good bc communication will be good. no 1 wants to play we there teammates can’t communicate with them
Posted: 08:35 PM on June 30, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
I am new to this discussion board, but glad to see the quality of comments here. Go Phillies.
Posted: 08:36 PM on June 30, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
aw man. im pissed because i just watched kyle loshe get his 10th win of the season. the phillies should be embarrassed. TERRIBLE mistake by pat gillick.
this guy turned down a 3 year 21 million offer. well guess what? players under 30 dont want 3 years! they want 4, 5, 6 year deals and you have to cough it up. disgraceful that they allowed that to happen
im going to continue to go back to this all season. they chose geoff jenkins over kyle lohse
Posted: 10:36 PM on June 30, 2008
Posts: 0 chris m
well after he made that mistake he could of sucked up his pride and signed him after he lowered his demands but he was too stubborn… ANOTHER mistake by gillick whats new… maybe if he was around another year he would sign pedro and not make him get a physical. ha
Posted: 11:14 PM on June 30, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Phil add a last initial if you don’t mind. I’ve been posting here for about 6 weeks now and don’t want us to get confused.
Posted: 11:28 PM on June 30, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Thanks for the compliment Chris M. I agree with you about most of the people on here not knowing what they’re talking about half the time. You and Geoff always do. I bet Mike T does too, but he’s the most negative person on the board by far.
Posted: 11:36 PM on June 30, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
I appreciate that. Sometimes I fly off the handle on here and call for everyones trade but everyone should be able to tell when im serious and when im not
Posted: 11:52 PM on June 30, 2008
Posts: 0 NJ
Lohse at anything more than 21/3 wasn’t a good deal, he’s a very average pitcher having a good year with one of the best pitching/coach manager duo’s for pitchers there’s ever been. 4-6 years and a year or two down the line we’re talking about how this guy hasn’t worked out and we’re stuck with an inflated salary for a guy we want rid of as has happened with the majority of recent Philly FA starter acquasitions.
If we’re sending our top prospects for Bedard we better be damn sure we’re getting a frontline pitcher who’s going to help the team and right now Bedard is looking like Jason Marquis with an inflated value, a trade’s being talked up at a time he’s making Harden look like a viable candidate for a healthy starting pitcher. In his last 10 outings he’s only made 4 quality starts while Seattle are scrambling to dump the guy before arbitration we seem to be scrambling to off-load our top prospects for him. Do we really want to pay a premium for a guy who scouts and analysts say needs to be in the NL because he can’t handle a full line-up and needs easy outs at the bottom of the order to be effective?
Remember the 2004 rotation of everyones good but who’s great…? Bedard certainly doesn’t look great and do we really want another Eric Milton?
Posted: 07:37 AM on July 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Bruce
To Joe Durbin~ your wish is about to come through. See latest team report on Gillick’s comments regarding choice of options for probable replacement of Myers in rotation. Gillick also stated a decision will be made today on Myers.
“The Phillies believe JA Happ is better prepared for a spot start than is 21-year-old top prospect Carlos Carrasco, who is 5-7 with a 4.18 ERA at Class AA Reading. And if they summon Happ, he won’t even have to alter his throwing schedule. He’s slated to start Thursday.”
“Asked about the reports he has received on Happ from Class AAA pitching coach Rod Nichols, Gillick said, “Decent. Acceptable.â€
Posted: 12:06 PM on July 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
Finally someone talks about the real issue: bedard is having a bad year. i dotn trust him to come out and perform at a high level. even though burnett is healthy hes either a salary black hole or a rental. hell opt out if he pitches well and be gone or if he pitches poorly hell stay and eat 15million of your salary. hope we dont get ourselves in that mess either.
ill bet the rays acquire cc sbathia. they have a deep farm system and would rather take the first round picks than sign him anyways.
Posted: 12:29 PM on July 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
the phils need to get harden and hope hes healthy or be creative and get harang.
i dont want to bring randy wolf back here. that wont help much
Posted: 12:30 PM on July 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
Tim, any word on Gillick/Charlie’s decision about who will start thursday?
Im feeling a call up. I havent been able to track down what they decided.
Posted: 12:48 PM on July 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Andrew Pelt
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