Should Schilling Wear A Phillies Cap In The Hall?
Posted by Tim Malcolm, Mon, June 23, 2008 02:24 PM | Comments: 24
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With his career all but finished, everyone is debating the Hall of Fame prospects of Curt Schilling. I feel he’ll make the Hall, very slightly and toward the back end of this era’s line.
His numbers show he’s right there among most Hall candidates, and his reputation and legacy probably cement his candidacy. But the question I ask is — if he gets in the Hall, does he go in as a Phillie?
Most people would right away say no, he’s wearing a Red Sox cap. But not so fast — do you automatically give the Sox Schilling because of two world championships?
Here are some comparatives:
Schilling w/ Phils: 101-78, 1554 K in 8.5 years
Schilling w/ D-Backs: 58-28, 875 K in 3.5 years
Schilling w/ Sox: 53-29, 574 K in 4 years
Schilling hit the prime of his career with the Phillies (his 319 K season of 1997), and that prime lasted until 2002, when he went 23-7 with the D-Backs. With Arizona and Boston he benefited from being on good teams, which is why he won so many games (three 20+ win seasons).
The 2004 championship (and “bloody sock” game) raised his star to legend status, and last year’s championship may have cemented his Hall of Fame candidacy. But I say Schilling’s real Hall of Fame resume comes mostly from his time in Philadelphia, winning a lot of games for bad teams and dominating the National League with Pedro Martinez.
In my view, Schill is a Phillie Hall of Famer.
Posts: 0 Mike T.
Curt Schilling = douchebag
Posted: 02:57 PM on June 23, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
He won’t retire in a Phillies uniform or go to the HOF in a Phillies jersey. He didn’t really seem to like it here that much. Honestly though, if he’s able to pitch next year and wants to pitch I’d sign him for cheap for a playoff run. That guy has the amazing post season numbers.
Posted: 03:30 PM on June 23, 2008
Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm
No, he did like it here. He hated the way management treated him toward the end. But he always said he liked Philly and the fans, etc.
Posted: 03:35 PM on June 23, 2008
Posts: 0 Chris C.
I don’t think it matters what or who he liked, for I am pretty sure the Hall took the decision away from the player after that Wade Boggs/Devil Rays thing a few years back. If you go by the numbers, he should go in with a Phillies hat whether he likes it or not.
Posted: 03:47 PM on June 23, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Well, that’s good. I’d love to see him get signed 2nd half of next season and take us to the World Series. I feel that he has the mentality even if he doesn’t have the stuff still to pitch lights out in the post season. Then he can just retire in a Phillies jersey. I always liked Schilling a lot.
Posted: 03:48 PM on June 23, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Yeah, but they can go by more than just numbers. He had his career year in Arizona. He won’t 2 championships with the BoSox and 1 with the D-Backs. He had all of those legendary games with the BoSox, like the bloody sock. We’ll see what happens.
Posted: 03:53 PM on June 23, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
He won his first World Series with the Diamondbacks… he was Co-MVP of the World Series with them too.. I think he should go in as a Diamondback.
Posted: 04:04 PM on June 23, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Broccoli-Cheddar soup from the Raindrop Cafe in center city… is BANGIN!!!
Posted: 04:06 PM on June 23, 2008
Posts: 0 Paul
I say HOF. I will never forget game 5 of the ’93 series. That was gutsy classic pitching.
Posted: 05:29 PM on June 23, 2008
Posts: 0 Lewisauce
He ain’t going in as a Phillie. Nice thought, but it’s his post-season performances that will get him into the Hall to begin with.
Posted: 06:57 PM on June 23, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Agreed Lewisauce. He’ll probably go in wearing a Red Sox uniform just because they’re the Red Sox, either that or a D-Backs because they probably don’t have a representative yet.
Posted: 07:17 PM on June 23, 2008
Posts: 0 Greg V.
Schilling had his best years as a Phillie and the best World Series game he pitched was by far in 1993. Not sure he goes to the HOF as one though.
Posted: 07:27 PM on June 23, 2008
Posts: 0 Tim Malcolm
Well Johnson should go in as a D-Back, IMO. Pretty even in service between the Ms and D-Backs, and he won a Series and four Cy Youngs with them.
Posted: 07:46 PM on June 23, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
True, Randy Johnson will def. go in as a D-Back.
Posted: 08:28 PM on June 23, 2008
Posts: 0 Alan
Don M
You gotta try Raindrop’s spinich tuna wrap!
Posted: 10:11 PM on June 23, 2008
Posts: 0 Travis Lee
The real question is whether I can wear my phillies cap to my job at Burger King.
Posted: 01:02 AM on June 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
I’m assuming Travis Lee, Andy Reid, and Wes Helms are all the same person. Very clever to say the least. The Travis Lee comment actually made me lol.
Posted: 01:06 AM on June 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Ryan Seacrest
Talking about “spinach wraps” on this website makes you sound really feminine.
Posted: 01:09 AM on June 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Nosoupforyou
What your forgetting is the fact that Curt has a deep understanding and love of the history of the game. He goes in as a Red Sox Player,no doubt in my mind.
Posted: 01:37 AM on June 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Steve
I loved Schilling as a Phillie in the early to mid 90s, but he should probably be in the HOF as a Red Sox. He won two World Series with them and the bloody sock game (despite conspiracy theorists views to the contrary) will go down in sports lore forever. The Hall of Fame is before anything else a sports museum and a place to go and take in baseball history, and Schilling’s place in history for everyone other than us fans here in Philly was cemented as a Red Sox pitcher, not as a Phillies pitcher.
Posted: 03:36 AM on June 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike W.
1. He should not be a hall of famer. I don’t think he should be that close actually.
2. If he is, it should 100% be as a phillie. Not even b/c of the stats, but b/c of the years. If you play 9 years with one team, then 3 with another and 4 with a 3rd, it shouldn’t be a debate I’d hope.
Posted: 10:14 AM on June 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Mike W…to say Schilling isn’t a hall of famer is ridiculous. That guy is one of the top 5 best post season pitchers of all time. He has other ridiculous records too, like 1 of 3 pitchers to have 3 300 or more strike out seasons. He’s 14th of all time in ks. If he didn’t have so many injuries in his career he’d be sitting at well over 300 wins and 4,000ks. To say he shouldn’t make the HOF is like saying Griffey shouldn’t make the HOF.
Posted: 10:44 AM on June 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Curt Schilling
Listen,
I’m fat… I pitch well in the post-season…and I write about Kobe Bryant on my blog just to make sure my name isn’t forgotten on ESPN.
I still hate Mitch Williams.
Posted: 10:57 AM on June 24, 2008
Posts: 0 Bruce
Has Schilling any say in this matter? ;-)
Posted: 12:31 PM on June 24, 2008