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Would Bedard Be The Missing Piece?

Posted by Tim Malcolm, Mon, June 09, 2008 02:29 PM | Comments: 85
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Time for your weekly trade rumor.

John McGrath of the News Tribune in Tacoma, Wash., throws the Phillies out there as a potential suitor for Erik Bedard. Supposedly since the Mariners are already out of the playoff race, he says it could be wise to give up on their 29-year-old lefty starter. He is 4-4 with a 4.26 ERA in 61.1 innings.

Bedard was traded by the Orioles to the Mariners in the offseason. The Orioles collected a bounty that included outfielder Adam Jones and pitcher George Sherrill.

MLB Trade Rumors touched on the rumor and mentioned the Phillies could trade Carlos Carrasco or Adrian Cardenas. McGrath went deeper into the farm system:

“A package for Bedard could include Adrian Cardenas, 20, a left-handed-hitting infielder regarded as the Phillies’ top prospect. And Brad Harman, 22, called up to Philadelphia from Double-A this spring as a replacement for the injured Rollins. And Jason Donald, a former University of Arizona standout.

“Not sold? Then demand Michael Taylor, a 6-foot-6, 260-pound Stanford product fast enough to qualify as a base-stealing threat. Or 6-5, 200-pound Dominic Brown, a former high school wide receiver who turned down a scholarship from the Miami Hurricanes last year.”

Is a package of Cardenas, Brown and a pitcher good enough to make a MLB roster (Happ?) enough for Bedard? I would try not to get rid of Carrasco (McGrath mentioned nothing about him) or even Joe Savery. Cardenas is blocked only if Ryan Howard remains in Philadelphia, but the rub: To win this year, this team needs Ryan Howard. Cardenas isn’t Philly-pennant-ready until 2011.

If Bedard can be had at the right price, well, I’m still not sure. He has pitched great at Safeco, but away from there he’s miserable (24.1 IP, 1-2, 7.40 ERA). Safeco is generally regarded as a pitcher’s park; Citizens Bank? Surprisingly its park factor of 0.986 makes it a “pitcher’s park.” Still, Bedard isn’t a wildly sure thing to be successful. It’s possible he’ll fit nicely between Cole Hamels and Brett Myers as a No. 2 starter, but I’m just not sure.

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  • Posts: 0 Adam Palmerio

    Bedard is top notch, and he would definetly be the missing piece. I would give up all the prospects for a chance to get him this year and hopefully sign him for three or four more. Seriously, who would stop the Phillies with him in our rotation? Come on Gillick, make the move!

     
  • Posts: 0 Phil

    He would come tear it up in the NL considering no NL hitters have really seen him. I’d get him and still try to get another.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    if they snared him in, and signed him to an extension so you have hamels myers bedard for 3-4 years? RINGS! youd barely hear a peep out of me about the rotation assuming they all pitched well and kendrick continues to improve

     
  • Posts: 0 chris m

    is he a free agent after this year? bc if he is a we dont do a sign and trade hell be gone… this wont ever happen anyways…its philadelphia we hear this shit all the time and how often does it happen? my piont

     
  • Posts: 0 chris m

    love the idea though

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    this is more likely to happen than the others because of gillicks whole seattle connections. he likes to trade with seattle and the white sox

     
  • Posts: 0 chris m

    i dont think he just likes trading with the cities but he likes the gm’s…some gm’s like in washington are totally unrealistic.also i think those gm’s like trading with gillick…little jab at gillick if u notice

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike T.

    I’d normally say this has no chance of going down, but something tells me this is going to happen. And yes, Bedard is absolutely the missing piece.

     
  • Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm

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    Bedard is arb-eligible in 2009 and is a free agent in 2010.

     
  • Posts: 0 Gavin

    For those position player prospects……I’d do it in a heartbeat. If you could get bedard without losing Carrasco, Outman, Savery, Carpenter, etc……then you do it. Cardenas, Brown, and Happ…..are you kidding me?

    Anybody know what kind of guy Bedard is? The Phils have a great clubhouse and I’d hate to see that fucked with.

    Great point about Gillick and Seattle. I wouldnt say this is overly unrealistic.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    This rumors was started by the seattle papers, so im wondering where they got it from. i feel this one though. it makes perfet sense. its doable, and i like it. cardenas will probably be a perennial all star but hes blocked by utley and rollins. hes a few years away anyway. shame, ebacuse id really prefer keeping him. if they can get seattle to give up bedard for cardenas, happ and one of those other mid level prospects mentioned in the article, thats flat out robbery if bedard returns to form.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Bedard doesnt talk to the media, could be a carlton-type stoneface. hope hes not a douche

     
  • Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm

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    Yeah, I don’t think it’ll merely take Cardenas, Happ and Brown or something. Back in December it was rumored Gillick offered the O’s Kendrick, Victorino and two prospects for Bedard, but was shot down. There’s a yardstick.

     
  • Posts: 0 Gavin

    Sounds like he’s a dildo of a teammate according to the article. I’d be real careful with a dude like that.

     
  • Posts: 0 Gavin

    Different scenerio this time around. i dont think the M’s would ask as much as the O’s mid-season.

     
  • Posts: 0 Phil

    Yeah, I’d put Kendrick on the trade block for Bedard, or any other #1 or #2 type pitcher for that matter.

     
  • Posts: 0 scot

    I gotta think this is just a frustrated Seattle writer. I don’t see how this makes sense for Seattle. I’m saying this thinking they gave a much better prospect package to Baltimore to get Bedard than we would be sending their way to take Bedard off their hands. I’d do it for the prospects listed, without a doubt. But, in the end, I think it’s just a northwest writer trying to make a name for himself by starting the rumor.

     
  • Posts: 0 chris d

    I am a Philly fan living in Seattle and I have seen Bedard pitch and heard about his attitude in the locker room. He gives the press 5 questions and answers with one word. That is all they get. He is not a bad guy just temperamental and keeps to himself- not disruptive.

    The Mariners should never have traded for him because they need so much else before they needed a pitcher of his caliber. His stats are not great but he normally does not do well during beginning of year. M’s are not giving him run support either.

    I think both teams would benefit from this trade.

     
  • Posts: 0 chris d

    scot, Art Thiel already is a respected sports writer in Seattle. He is not trying to make a name for himself. He is attempting to put a burr in the butts of management to get them to rebuild and get some prospects to this end.

     
  • Posts: 0 chris d

    scot, I apologize the author is John McGrath and he is also well know and somewhat respected but again just hoping that management will get this notion in their heads to start making phone calls since season is lost.

     
  • Posts: 0 scot

    Thanks for the info chris, I wasn’t attempting to come across as disrespectful though re-reading it, I guess I did. It just seems surprising to me to give up on a guy who they still have under wraps for another year at less money than say a Beltre or someone like that.

     
  • Posts: 0 PhillyFriar

    Two things: (1) this is absolutely the kind of move the Phils should make; and (2) the Mariners are unlikely to want to do this.

    First off, Bill Bavasi hung his hat on this deal, so to deal Bedard now would be to admit failure just a few months later. If he loses his job, then you never know, it obviously makes it more likely.

    Secondly, what scot said above is right: the Phils couldn’t really offer a prospect package that’s better than what Seattle gave away (Jones, Sherrill, and a couple of promising young arms at lower levels). The M’s need MLB-ready hitting, which the Phils don’t necessarily have.

    If I’m Gillick, I’m willing to part with a package built around Carrasco and Golson to get this done. But I’d be reluctant to give up Kendrick or Victorino, since the latter is an integral part of this team, and the latter is one of the only young starters we control for more than two years.

     
  • Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm

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    Carrasco and Golson is an intriguing idea, for sure. But would the M’s want Golson, who hasn’t proven himself against top-flight pitching?

     
  • Posts: 0 bob

    this trade rumor has got to be a joke. why would you trade a guy coming off a year worthy of a cy young on a bad orioles team, someone who cost you jones AND sherrill, unless you just wanted him off the books?
    that said, if the trade did go through, the phils have to be automatic contenders for the world series. a rotation of bedard, hamels and myers in the postseason would be sick especially since bedard shuts down the red sox.

     
  • Posts: 0 PhillyFriar

    Tim, that’s the big question. The scouting community is split on Golson: some hate him because he has no plate discipline, others love him because he’s a “toolshed” and there’s a chance he may have turned the corner. If the M’s fall into the latter camp, then there’s a chance they could be interested.

    Other than Golson, the Phils don’t have any real impact bats available to give away unless they want to part with Victorino (which I wouldn’t) or Lou Marson (who, in my opinion, is the one prospect the Phils should make “untouchable”).

     
  • Posts: 0 Phil

    They need to make Golson, Marson, Savery, and Carrasco untouchable. Let go of Cardeans considering he’ll never play a day in a Phillies uniform with Utley blocking the way. As much as we all hate Howard right now, he’s still Ryan Howard. The owners should stop being cheap pussies, and sign Howard to a long term deal. They shoulda did that his MVP year, but they’re retarded. We wouldn’t have been dealing with this arbitration shit right now if we did that. Lock up Hamels too. Trade for Bedard and lock him up. Then you have the 2 MVP’s and future MVP locked up along with 2 possible cy youngs. Resign Burrell lock up Victorino and wait for Golson to come along and play right field. This team would be ridiculous for the next 5+ years. They won’t do it though, the Phillies owners are too cheap.

     
  • Posts: 0 Rob

    I would make this trade in a package built around Happ and Kendrick. I would keep Cardenas out of it as he can play second, if Howard gets traded, and moving Utley to first. Also Howard will bring back a good crop of prospects.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Thats what a team does that wants to win championshipS. I hope they at LEAST sign hamels long-term and get bedard and sign him to an extension so the rotation is strong at the front. keeping lidge and burrell is also important. this team will win the division easily theres no doubt about that. the only question now is how far can they go? id liek some additional ammunition for the playoffs in the rotation and bullpen thats for sure.

     
  • Posts: 0 chris m

    most of these people are out of there mind. they want us to lock up everyone. its not possible with our payroll. and kendrick isn worth that much on the trade market lets be honest . phil wants up to lock up howard, bedard, hamels, lidge, burell, victorino…….how is that pussible? come on phil lets be realistic

     
  • Posts: 0 PhillyFriar

    Phil: if they make all those guys untouchable, they won’t be able to trade for a legit starter, especially Bedard.

    Rob: Kendrick couldn’t net us Bedard last offseason as the fourth best player in a four-man package, so I don’t think he and Happ would get us very much.

    Look, I hate giving up prospects, but this team is built to win now, and if you can get a frontline starter without completely gutting your farm system, then do it. If I were Pat Gillick, I’d offer the Mariners Golson, Carrasco, Donald and Jaramillo as a starting point and see what happens.

     
  • Posts: 0 Phil

    Lefty for the bullpen and another #1 or #2 starter. Hamels is a little too young to be the big game ace we need. Give him another year or 2. I’m okay with the Coste/Ruiz platoon especially knowing we have Marson soon. Jenkins/Werth platoon is also very good, but I’m sure Werth might be used as trade bate. Victorino, Burrell, and the infield are all untouchable and are all set in stone as far as I’m concerned. Even the best teams have platoons, so I’ll reiterate that Werth/Jenkins Coste/Ruiz are good platoons and we should be fine with them.

     
  • Posts: 0 chris d

    PhillyFriar, yes this is Bavasi’s dying tribute to this team. Like I said earlier this team should never have traded for a pitcher of this quality since they had to give up much needed talent. Not only did they give up Adam Jones who is starting to hit now in Baltimore but Sherrill and 2 other top talent pitchers.

    We are hoping that not only Bavasi is fired but the management that hired him and keeps making piss poor decisions. Of course, M’s are going to want to get the best talent Phillies have to replace what they lost. We will see what happens.

    Being both a Phillies and M’s fan I would win with a trade. I would love to see Bedard pitch in Philly.

     
  • Posts: 0 Phil

    Is there a way to email this article to Gillick just in case he is unaware of the idea. Maybe he will called up the M’s and try to get this done sooner than later.

     
  • Posts: 0 chris m

    dont count on gillick to get much done

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    i know, right phil? it almost feel like you have to call them up and like let them know that they can do this and it can work.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    ill bet you can do this trade without having to give up golson, savery, carrasco, marson, or anyone on your current roster.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    bruce should be on board with this trade too as it would be a chance for his man-idol-crush pat gillick to cement a positive legacy here

     
  • Posts: 0 Phil

    I hope he can get this done, or any pitcher for that matter. Sheets, Penny, Harden, Blanton, Burnett, etc. will all be on the trade block.

     
  • Posts: 0 chris m

    i dont want burnett…he could opt out after this year and way to injury prone…sheets way tooo injury prone. pennys had a tough year….harden and blanto aint worth what there asking. seems like bedard is the perfect match. but gillick never wants to jump on it unless a bunch of other teams are involved like with garcia and then giive up to much. good call geoff with gillick having a chance to erase our bad memories if he doesnt give up too much….thats the key, not too much

     
  • Posts: 0 Tim Malcolm

    I’ll go back to my original question: Would we really want Bedard? He’s atrocious on the road (granted it’s against the high-offense Yankees and Rays, mainly) and his two years top-flight experience doesn’t necessarily equal a shutdown No. 2.

     
  • Posts: 0 Gnomicide

    I’d take him for those prospects. Who would get the boot though? Eaton?

     
  • Posts: 0 Eli

    another starter would be great especially for the playoffs

     
  • Posts: 0 PhillyFriar

    Tim: yes, we’d really want Bedard. The questions regarding him revolve around his durability, not his ability — he’s more talented than every Phils pitcher but Hamels. For a year and a half, you roll the dice that he’ll stay healthy and continue to improve (since last year was his true breakout campaign). With the current lineup and a 1-2-3 punch of Hamels, Bedard and Myers, the Phils would have to be favorites in the National League.

    Gnomicide: a tough call given how Eaton’s pitched lately, but I guess that’s a bridge you cross when you come to it. Too many starters isn’t a bad problem to have, though; as last year showed, anyone can go down at any time.

     
  • Posts: 0 chris d

    It is a tough go when you come to a new team and the team fails to score runs. The M’s are probably last in AL in runs scored. That makes pitching much more difficult. I think that has been part of his problem. At home Safeco is such a pitchers park he can relax more there.

     
  • Posts: 0 VA Steve

    Hasn’t he also had problems staying healthy? That would be a big concern as well.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jerry

    I’d rather have a guy like Greg Maddux than Bedard.

    Imagine, Maddux and Moyer, pitching together for one last shot at a championship. It would be amazing, as much as it would be hilarious.

     
  • Posts: 0 T Mac

    We have to be looking at everything in terms of getting to the World Series THIS YEAR.

    To do that, we have to have another shutdown frontline starter. Even if Myers continues to pitch well and makes a decent #2, I don’t like Kendrick, Moyer, or Eaton as the third starter in the playoffs.

    The front office has to be willing to give up quite a bit to get a Bedard, Sheets, etc.
    But they can’t trade Victorino or Werth – we need both of those guys.
    It’s going to have to be a really strong group of prospects.

    I’m not as worried about another lefty reliever – I think we can find one in system to take the lost slot in the pen.

    We do need a Bourn-type who can really run as a PR and be a defensive outfield replacement.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    i agree about bourn being missed. they really need a 5th outfielder that can contribute. youre exactly right, they need to go all out and go for it this year. they can win it all this year. they just need to get the final few pieces. theyre already going to win the division easily. now its world series time. that has to be the focus

     
  • Posts: 0 Phil

    We have Taguchi. He’s comparable enough, and if Werth is on the bench we have him too. You can even bring Golson up if you’re that worried. He has speed and D. That would be good too because it can give him some play time in the bigs. We need a #2, another #1 would be nice, but I think Myers is a #3 right now. Let’s see what happens.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    id rather have a 5th guy who can hit a little better

     
 
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