A.S. and A.H.: Bedard Close?
Posted by Tim Malcolm, Wed, July 09, 2008 11:46 AM | Comments: 70
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MLBTradeRumors has a post with a bunch of Bedard-Phillies links.
Divulge here. Of those links, there’s a piece about how Bedard was on 950 AM in Philly (which seems weird), and Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus has this:
“Sources say that Pat Gillick’s comfort level with both Lee Pelekoudas and the medical staff he knows from his days in Seattle is making this deal possible, though Gillick seems to want Bedard at a significant discount to what the Mariners paid in the off-season.”
Makes sense. Bedard is getting $7M this season through arbitration with the Mariners. He’ll be worth even more after 2008 and is good through 2010. So what does significant discount mean? I’d say a Carlos Carrasco/Greg Golson/Travis d’Arnaud deal, or something to that extent, would be significant.
Posts: 0 scot
Make the trade. This team needs a shakeup. We barely have 4 pitchers as is. There was no talk of a Bedard attitude problem in Baltimore, only when he went to Seattle and the whole team tanked and fell apart. This is the best option left and the Phils are crazy not to do it.
Posted: 11:58 AM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
The one thing Im worried about: Pat Gillick is trading top prospects to a team for a guy with question marks (though with great stuff) and hes going to take over that same team with the phillies prospects now on it.
someone already said it but that is DEFINITELY a conflict of interest.
the more i think about it the more ill pull for oswalt because hes right handed and they need another righty starter.
Posted: 12:02 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Jeffrey
This Gillick-to-Seattle stuff is really just fodder for rumor mongering on WIP and blogs at this point so let’s please not get carried away with the conspiracy theories.
If it ends up being true, then yeah, he’s a dirtbag. I’m not aware, though, of any evidence from his career that he has that kind of reputation.
I’d be disappointed for Carrasco to go without ever finding out how good he might be but Bedard’s got major league talent today and is more of an upgrade than Randy Wolf or Greg Maddux or whatever.
Posted: 12:12 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 TJ
Oswalt or Bedard would be sweet as for the conflict of interest, I dont believe Gillick will do anything that would hurt this team and benefit the M’s.
Posted: 12:13 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 MS
doesn’t matter when you get shut out
Posted: 12:14 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Pete
No way Gillick should be heading up any trade for Bedard – it’s got to be Amaro because of the conflict issues.
Rather than Bedard or Oswalt, I’d like to see the Phils make a play for Harang (better yet, Harang and Freel – the Reds have said they’ll listen to offers) or Greinke, if the Royals are willing to sell. What really irritates me is that we couldn’t get a deal done for Harden, while the Cubs get him AND excellent bullpen help for one plus prospect, one so-so prospect, and two bums.
Posted: 12:15 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T.
Carlos Ruiz sucks.
Posted: 12:18 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
Aaron Harang is injured.
Posted: 12:19 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Pete
Harang may or may not be injured – obviously, any deal would need to be contingent on a physical, lest we end up with Freddy Garcia II.
Regardless, Bedard and Oswalt are injured, too, so if we’re talking about them there’s no reason not to consider Harang.
Posted: 12:21 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 PhillyFriar
Greinke is a good suggestion, but the Royals seem (wisely) unwilling to part with him.
Tim, I like the Carrasco/Golson/d’Arnaud suggestion. I’d even be willing to throw in a de Fratus or a Roth to replace one of the projectable arms (Tillman, Butler) they gave up to get Bedard in the first place.
And to everyone saying the A’s got ripped off: please, name me the last time Billy Beane got ripped off. I’m surprised he gave up Gaudin as well, but Harden’s health is a BIG concern.
Posted: 12:27 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
Billy Beane NEVER gets ripped off in this type of deal. Hes made a few bad small minor deals. But he doesnt screw up big deals like this. Chad Gaudin is probably about to tank or something and harden is about to get injrured again. beane knows all.
Posted: 12:41 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
ricky botallico said that brett myers wants to be traded. and myers had a hilarious denial to it. did anyone see that? it was classic
Posted: 12:44 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Pete
I’d be all for trading Myers, except if they pull the trigger now, they’d be selling as low as possible. No sense in that…they’d be better served to bring him back as a setup guy and then shop him to teams in search of a closer this off-season.
Posted: 12:49 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
I concur. but in the hyperdrive world of modern pro sports I think teams will try to get him for their bullpens this year. it is selling but if it helps you get a key piece then go for it.
Posted: 12:53 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
hes not going to be out closer so there is NO way he wants to stay here.
Posted: 12:53 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
No team wants him on their team right now because he hasn’t thrown a good pitch in the past month… thats like adding Tom Gordon to your team right now and wanting to use him in pressure situations, late in games.. no team would want Myers right now and plan to use him for this season.
Teams might ask about him because he would be “buy-low” with a high upside… but the phillies would be fools to trade him now and get nothign in return
Posted: 01:14 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Ricky Botallico is a moron.. he just cost himself any chance he would ever have of breaking a story with inside information.
He tried to tell everyone that he talked to Myers and Myers said he wanted to be traded… Myers and the Phillies have both since denied it.. and now Bottalico will never get another player to tell him something, ever.
Posted: 01:16 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
Of course the Phillies and Myers will deny it. Sports teams always lie about stuff like that.
Do you believe anything Andy Reid says at all? hes one of the biggest liars in sports.
Posted: 01:18 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
besides, theyre supposed to deny it. theyre mad at bottalico because saying that lowers his trade value. denials raise trade value. on the surface at least.
Posted: 01:19 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Yeah, I have a feeling Myers did tell Botallico that. It’s either that or Botallico(being a closer) is lying because he thinks Myers wants to be a closer just like himself.
Posted: 01:20 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
Its a message from myers to the rest of baseball basically to come and get him. he and the phillies can deny it so it looks good.
Posted: 01:26 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
I don’t doubt that Myers said it… He’s said the same exact thing before, actually all offseason he said it.. But RickyBo is a jackass and now he’s causing drama and I’ll bet that he’s not back next year as their announcer or whatever he’s doing
Posted: 01:26 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Griffin
Billy Beane did get ripped off when he traded Tim Hudson to the Braves for Charles Thomas an Dan Meyer. There’s a reason you haven’t heard of them.
He’s still a very good GM, but every GM makes a bad trade once in awhile.
Posted: 01:27 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
Yeah that is true I forgot about hudson.
Posted: 01:28 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
That guy would be awesome on the phillies.
Posted: 01:28 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Oh, Tim Hudson? We’re not getting Tim Hudson.
FYI did you know the Phillies almost traded Chase Utley, Ryan Howard, and Cole Hamels to Oakland for Barry Zito…Ed Wade said no, thank god. Billy Beane is really a genius.
Posted: 01:31 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 ryan
do it. it needs to be done now. who cares if he’s an asshole. steve carlton was one of the biggest assholes ever.
Posted: 01:33 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Speaking of hitters that get on base…there are rumors that Ichiro is going to be made available. Maybe a trade for Bedard and Suzuki could be made. We’ll even give them Taguchi so they can keep a Japanese player. haha
Posted: 01:34 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Bruce
I’m sorry to be a spoilsport to your fantasy baseball wishlist of pitchers for our team. I, like most fans would love to have another “stud” in the rotation. I understand the need to speculate on motives, conspiracies, theories, etc. regarding Myers. That’s all part of the fun here. However, I’m a realist and will use a reality check in this post. We read official statements from Gillick and Manuel that their first order of priority is to have Myers resolve his “mechanics” issue and bring him back into rotation before or immediately after the all Star break. I think that the question of a possible trade for another pitcher will depend on whether or not Myers has a successful comeback and not before. Remember the trade deadline is still three weeks away.
Posted: 01:35 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Griffin
Yeah, you’re right Phil. I remember years ago that the Phillies were thinking of trading Utley and Hamels. I thougth it was for Mulder. But still, that would’ve been a disaster.
The Phillies should trade for Gaving Floyd. Just kidding.
Bedard is a turd, but the Phillies need something, if we can get him without giving up Marson, I’d do it.
Posted: 01:35 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
Bruce, theyre always going to say that they want Myers to get it right. They just dont say “oh yeah hes done were trading him.” Noone says that. Theyll say we want him to come back and then send someone else to go out on radio and admit that they are actively going after starting pitching. You gotta take a step back and look at the bigger picture. These people act like theyre the CIA trying to mix up other teams and send all kinds of signals. You see it more in football. NFL head coaches actually think theyre some kind of general fighting a war, its absurd.
thats how sports organizations behave. theyre always dispatching people to say all kinds of things.
Posted: 01:41 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
were obviously not getting tim hudson, noone said that. it just would be awesome to have his sinker in CBP.
Posted: 01:42 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 NYC PIMP DaDDy
LOLZ U DOPES UR NOT GETTING 1 THING
Posted: 02:12 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
nyc pimp daddy, you have to be the dumbest person I’ve ever come in contact with. You remind me of the retarded rapper in that one episode of it’s always sunny in philadelphia. You really need to pull a Billy Madison and go back to elementary school, because you have the IQ of a rock. Actually, I’d put my money on the rock to beat you in a spelling bee. I wouldn’t mind trash talking Mets fans trolling a Phillies message board if they at least had a tiny bit of intelligence, but you my friend are a fucking moron. Get a life and get an education. You are worthless and, if I was as dumb as you I’d seriously consider suicide. I know you are full of shit about money and women because you are too dumb to get a job besides working at McDonalds and no matter how attractive you may or may not be a girl doesn’t want a guy as dumb as you. Seriously, shoot yourself in the fucking head, if you aren’t dumb enough to figure out how to turn the safety off.
Posted: 02:22 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 jeff
Good to see the mets fans are bringing their usual levels of eloquence to this site. Its tough to turn of the Caps Lock with such greasy fingers.
Posted: 02:26 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 ryan
anybody want to bet me that NYC PIMP DADDY is a 35 year old virgin living in his mom’s basement?
Posted: 02:28 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
No Ryan, you’d win. Honestly, I have no problem with trolls. I think they’re funny, and it’s fun to have a rival sports city, but I do have a problem with really dumb people.
Posted: 02:36 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
Guys, just ignore that douche. Its a waste of internet space to keep responding to that retard.
Posted: 02:48 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Oh, I’ve been ignoring him the whole time. I was kind of hoping that I would be able to make him cry.
Posted: 02:54 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 fred
Oswalt would be sweet. He’s far more durable than Bedard, and he’s pitched in a bandbox his whole career and succeded. I’d be willing to give up Carrasco and another top prospect (not named Marson) to acquire Oswalt. Marson should be in the bigs NOW, ruiz blows.
Posted: 03:22 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 metsos
whats up?
Posted: 03:26 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 jeff
metsos come see us when youre in first place you greasy motherfucker
Posted: 03:47 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 metsos
Look at the philly fans freak out. You guys need 4 pitchers not one. your shortstop needs to step it up. your first basemen has what 120 k’s. Pretty much bums the rest of the field, aside from utley, who is the only guy on your team worth anything for a trade. So go out and get a mediocre pitcher and throw away your farm that sounds good to me. hope you enjoyed your 3 playoff games for the decade. Lets Go Mets.
Posted: 03:49 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 TJ
I think that was a sincere, Whatsup? If not, then fuck you, if so, nothing much.
Posted: 03:50 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 jeff
haha yeah we got all that shit going on and we’re in first place. plus we dont have to remember the biggest collapse in the history of baseball. or live in new york.
Posted: 03:54 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Metsos you cna bash someone that has 120 k’s all you want, but he’s doing his job. He’s driving in runs. That’s what he gets paid to do. Rollins does need to step it up, you’re right. Hamels isn’t worth anything for a trade? You’re dumb. Victorino is sought out by so many teams. And JAyson Werth is the most underrated player in baseball. Pat Burrell is having a monster year and is leading all NL outfielders in offensive numbers besides RBI’s. Moyer and Kendrick are having pretty good seasons as well. They’ll dip below a 4.0 ERA when all is said and done. You can’t have 5 pitchers that are aces, no team does, well maybe besides the Angels.
Posted: 03:54 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 TJ
Ok, so I’m guessing your Mets are perfect as is? Thanks for the tidbit of info, though. I really, really, value your opinion on the 1st place Phillies. Yeah, 1st place. Are you still bitter about September?
Posted: 03:58 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Good thing they didn’t give up the whole farm for Santana… oh… wait, yea they did..
Posted: 03:59 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
haha good thing they didn’t give up Kazmir for Victor Zambrano!
Posted: 04:00 PM on July 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
OH wait, better yet. Grady Sizemore, and 2 other players that are good I forget who exactly for COLON!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA Man, the Mets are horrible.
Posted: 04:03 PM on July 9, 2008