Comments on: At The Half: The Need For A Starter http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/ Your source for Phillies news, events, trade rumors, tickets, bars and other fun stuff. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:33:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Janett Rossenhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-189031 Janett Rossen Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:15:34 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/#comment-189031 What a good internet site you have. Did it take you much time to lay it out. I have tried but I am not very good at web conception. Where did you read it?. What a good internet site you have. Did it take you much time to lay it out. I have tried but I am not very good at web conception. Where did you read it?.

]]> By: Geoffhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-16994 Geoff Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:28:15 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/#comment-16994 I agree they wont have the pitching to win the WS this year. just get a cheap B-list guy and deal with it. that goes against everything i want but its painfully obvious now. I agree they wont have the pitching to win the WS this year. just get a cheap B-list guy and deal with it. that goes against everything i want but its painfully obvious now.

]]> By: Lewisaucehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-16989 Lewisauce Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:14:11 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/#comment-16989 The Mets don't have aces, but their rotation is better than ours. No question. And we should be scared.This needs to be made explicitly clear: the Phillies are NOT getting Burnett (he has a no-trade clause with Philly at the top of the "no way" list), Halliday (are you fucking kidding me?), Oswalt (Ed Wade is that stupid, but someone signs his checks, and they won't let that happen) or Freddy Garcia (too many other serious teams interested). We have B-listers available, including Bedard. The Gillick-Seattle thing scares me, and a trade for Bedard should NOT happen unless we only give up junk and leftovers.This is the rotation, boys and girls. Our hope is to try to spend big in free agency in the off-season and load up for next year. The Mets don’t have aces, but their rotation is better than ours. No question. And we should be scared.

This needs to be made explicitly clear: the Phillies are NOT getting Burnett (he has a no-trade clause with Philly at the top of the “no way” list), Halliday (are you fucking kidding me?), Oswalt (Ed Wade is that stupid, but someone signs his checks, and they won’t let that happen) or Freddy Garcia (too many other serious teams interested). We have B-listers available, including Bedard. The Gillick-Seattle thing scares me, and a trade for Bedard should NOT happen unless we only give up junk and leftovers.

This is the rotation, boys and girls. Our hope is to try to spend big in free agency in the off-season and load up for next year.

]]> By: NJhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-16939 NJ Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:21:58 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/#comment-16939 Yep aparently Pedro Martinez is an ace, John Maine certainly and Oliver 'command and control' Perez and Mike Pelfrey well that guys earn't his spot in the bigs alright.Granted Pelfrey's improved but there isn't daylight between him and Kendrick. Perez would be great if he could control his stuff but he can't consistenly and Pedro's done, if he can give a few Schilling like starts that's great for baseball but it isn't likely he will. Credit to John Maine who's become a very solid pitcher but that rotation doesn't sparke. We have our pitching problems that need to be addressed to establish a better chain between Cole and the back of the rotation but the Mets pitching isn't deep, it could be but it isn't.Message to Mets douche: If you disagree with the above explain why you think the Mets have a rotation of aces, maybe us Phils fans here are stubborn and shortsighted... Or maybe you just have no clue in hell Yep aparently Pedro Martinez is an ace, John Maine certainly and Oliver ‘command and control’ Perez and Mike Pelfrey well that guys earn’t his spot in the bigs alright.

Granted Pelfrey’s improved but there isn’t daylight between him and Kendrick. Perez would be great if he could control his stuff but he can’t consistenly and Pedro’s done, if he can give a few Schilling like starts that’s great for baseball but it isn’t likely he will. Credit to John Maine who’s become a very solid pitcher but that rotation doesn’t sparke. We have our pitching problems that need to be addressed to establish a better chain between Cole and the back of the rotation but the Mets pitching isn’t deep, it could be but it isn’t.

Message to Mets douche: If you disagree with the above explain why you think the Mets have a rotation of aces, maybe us Phils fans here are stubborn and shortsighted… Or maybe you just have no clue in hell

]]> By: stevehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-16935 steve Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:46:11 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/#comment-16935 did someone just say the Mets will keep throwing aces to the mound night in and night out? You'll have to show me those aces I see 1.Mr.Met did say one thing right...the Phillies aren't trading for a front-line starter. They wouldnt' trade carrasco and marson for CC, so they certainly won't include them for anyone else. The rotation may be what it's going to be. did someone just say the Mets will keep throwing aces to the mound night in and night out? You’ll have to show me those aces I see 1.

Mr.Met did say one thing right…the Phillies aren’t trading for a front-line starter. They wouldnt’ trade carrasco and marson for CC, so they certainly won’t include them for anyone else. The rotation may be what it’s going to be.

]]> By: NJhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-16930 NJ Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:28:07 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/#comment-16930 Why don't you go debate baseball at the zoo? See that word 'debate'... To clarify it means: a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward. • an argument about a particular subject, esp. one in which many people are involved : the national debate on abortion | there has been much debate about prices.We have this thing here where we talk about Philly baseball and are more than happy to have Mets fans in the conversation, but why is it that most of you that show up on make your points like a special ed pre-schooler with your 'quirky' little comic lines...? Why don’t you go debate baseball at the zoo? See that word ‘debate’… To clarify it means:
a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward.
• an argument about a particular subject, esp. one in which many people are involved : the national debate on abortion | there has been much debate about prices.

We have this thing here where we talk about Philly baseball and are more than happy to have Mets fans in the conversation, but why is it that most of you that show up on make your points like a special ed pre-schooler with your ‘quirky’ little comic lines…?

]]> By: metsR#1http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-16927 metsR#1 Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:08:16 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/#comment-16927 keep dreaming about obtaining halladay or burnett or oswalt. the phillies have made it clear the aren't trading either carrasco or larson for a rent-a-player, and those are the only 2 prospects the organization has that other teams are interested in. you all might as well get used to the idea of benson or eaton starting games in september while the mets continue to throw aces to the mound night in and night out. keep dreaming about obtaining halladay or burnett or oswalt. the phillies have made it clear the aren’t trading either carrasco or larson for a rent-a-player, and those are the only 2 prospects the organization has that other teams are interested in. you all might as well get used to the idea of benson or eaton starting games in september while the mets continue to throw aces to the mound night in and night out.

]]> By: NJhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-16917 NJ Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:49:22 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/#comment-16917 Haha Roy Halladay, funny. If he was on the market he would have been gone before Sabathia. Oswalt would be the best option but he's not going anywhere unless Wade gets major league ready franchise building prospects in return.Our best option is Bedard but only at cost, the guys too much of a risk to allow the farm to take anything more than a small hit but he could be more effective than anyone else on the list if he's game is on and personality toned down. Burnett's hasn't pitched particularly well on a very strong pitching team and is a walking DL advert, by all means pick the guy up but a deal would have to be for Golson and not much more for it to be worth our while and maybe he walks at the end of the year and we net the additional draft picks to come out on top. Randy Wolfe's not what were looking for but if we could somehow lure Greg Maddux that would be a fantastic move and am not apposed to the idea of Freddy Garcia returning if he wants to finish what he started on an incetives lacened deal.Whatever happens the move needs to come fast because this team needs to focus on winning not who's coming and going. Haha Roy Halladay, funny. If he was on the market he would have been gone before Sabathia. Oswalt would be the best option but he’s not going anywhere unless Wade gets major league ready franchise building prospects in return.

Our best option is Bedard but only at cost, the guys too much of a risk to allow the farm to take anything more than a small hit but he could be more effective than anyone else on the list if he’s game is on and personality toned down. Burnett’s hasn’t pitched particularly well on a very strong pitching team and is a walking DL advert, by all means pick the guy up but a deal would have to be for Golson and not much more for it to be worth our while and maybe he walks at the end of the year and we net the additional draft picks to come out on top.
Randy Wolfe’s not what were looking for but if we could somehow lure Greg Maddux that would be a fantastic move and am not apposed to the idea of Freddy Garcia returning if he wants to finish what he started on an incetives lacened deal.

Whatever happens the move needs to come fast because this team needs to focus on winning not who’s coming and going.

]]> By: clicheguevarahttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-16910 clicheguevara Wed, 16 Jul 2008 06:39:03 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/#comment-16910 Bedard is not the answer, the last thing we need is another head case like him to conspire with Brett. Also the whole Gillick to Seattle thing is going to make a huge distraction/excuse for a bad second half if a trade goes down there.I strongly believe Burnett or Oswalt would solve all of our problems. Burnett's stuff is just sick, he will flat out dominate 2 out of 5 games and it's that potential that we need in the playoffs. Sadly I just don't see it happening. I used to think Marson and especially Carrasco were off limits, but now I would give anything for a top SP. Sure, Carrasco may be the next Josh Beckett, but it's not going to happen before our ship sails. Bedard is not the answer, the last thing we need is another head case like him to conspire with Brett. Also the whole Gillick to Seattle thing is going to make a huge distraction/excuse for a bad second half if a trade goes down there.

I strongly believe Burnett or Oswalt would solve all of our problems. Burnett’s stuff is just sick, he will flat out dominate 2 out of 5 games and it’s that potential that we need in the playoffs. Sadly I just don’t see it happening. I used to think Marson and especially Carrasco were off limits, but now I would give anything for a top SP. Sure, Carrasco may be the next Josh Beckett, but it’s not going to happen before our ship sails.

]]> By: Brunohttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-16874 Bruno Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:06:44 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/#comment-16874 Derek, of course not. Derek, of course not.

]]> By: Derekhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-16851 Derek Wed, 16 Jul 2008 03:08:05 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/#comment-16851 Bruno who are you...Burnett's PR guy? Bruno who are you…Burnett’s PR guy?

]]> By: Brunohttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-16823 Bruno Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:43:19 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/#comment-16823 Forget about Halliday, he's the Derek Jeter of the Blue Jays. Forget about Halliday, he’s the Derek Jeter of the Blue Jays.

]]> By: Brunohttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-16822 Bruno Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:41:34 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/#comment-16822 A plus for A.J. is that he's been in A.L. East division for the last three years so if you can play and that division you can play in any division. A plus for A.J. is that he’s been in A.L. East division for the last three years so if you can play and that division you can play in any division.

]]> By: Geoffhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-16821 Geoff Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:37:33 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/#comment-16821 Im promoting a taveras trade. Im promoting a taveras trade.

]]> By: Brunohttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-16820 Bruno Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:23:50 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/#comment-16820 A.J. has no hitter stuff and he has a no hitter. No one has the stuff A.J. has. A.J. leads A.L. in strike outs. One game could mean the World Series. If he has his 97mi/hr. fastball going and is throwing his curve ball for strikes, game over. He maybe worth taking a chance on. CC Sabathia stunk it up real bad last year in the playoffs. A.J. has no hitter stuff and he has a no hitter. No one has the stuff A.J. has. A.J. leads A.L. in strike outs. One game could mean the World Series. If he has his 97mi/hr. fastball going and is throwing his curve ball for strikes, game over. He maybe worth taking a chance on.
CC Sabathia stunk it up real bad last year in the playoffs.

]]> By: Derekhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-16819 Derek Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:20:25 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/#comment-16819 No robbie, that's not the trade, I heard it was Rios and Halladay for Donald and Golson straight up....c'mon let's be serious and get out of never never land No robbie, that’s not the trade, I heard it was Rios and Halladay for Donald and Golson straight up….c’mon let’s be serious and get out of never never land

]]> By: NEPAhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-16811 NEPA Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:04:35 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/#comment-16811 Nice try Robbie. I'm not even gonna ask for a source for that bs. Nice try Robbie. I’m not even gonna ask for a source for that bs.

]]> By: Robbiehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-16807 Robbie Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:28:46 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/#comment-16807 Breaking news..... Phillies trade Carrasco, Donald, Werth, Golson and Outman for AJ Burnett and Alex Rios..... Breaking news…..
Phillies trade Carrasco, Donald, Werth, Golson and Outman for AJ Burnett and Alex Rios…..

]]> By: PhillyFriarhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-16803 PhillyFriar Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:22:25 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/#comment-16803 Could not have said it better myself (so I'm not going to try). Every Phillies fan who thinks the rotation is "just fine" should read this entry. Well done, Tim, I couldn't agree more. Could not have said it better myself (so I’m not going to try). Every Phillies fan who thinks the rotation is “just fine” should read this entry. Well done, Tim, I couldn’t agree more.

]]> By: philsphanhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-16802 philsphan Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:21:58 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/07/at-the-half-the-need-for-a-starter/#comment-16802 Cramer: Halladay would be awesome, but I don't know if the Blue Jays have made him available. The cost would be high as well. Also, JC Romero will never be in the starting rotation. The last time he started at the ML level was in 2001 for the Twins. In 2000 as a starter his era was 7.02 and in 2001 it was 6.23 Romero is much better in the bullpen and the pen needs him there anyway. Cramer: Halladay would be awesome, but I don’t know if the Blue Jays have made him available. The cost would be high as well.
Also, JC Romero will never be in the starting rotation. The last time he started at the ML level was in 2001 for the Twins. In 2000 as a starter his era was 7.02 and in 2001 it was 6.23 Romero is much better in the bullpen and the pen needs him there anyway.

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