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Agreed Geoff. He has nasty stuff. So much potential.

He was impressive. He’ll be in the rotation next year.

Not to rain on everyone’s parade here, but Carlos still has a LONG way to go before he’s ready. He’s been pretty good in Reading this year, but his command is still holding him back a bit. He’s certainly not ready this year, and while he could wind up in the rotation next year, it’ll be several years before he’s the finished product.

All that said, I’d really like to hang onto him unless the right deal presents itself. Among the pitchers rumored to be available, I’d only consider including him in a deal for Bedard or Greinke — and the Royals are allegedly unwilling to move Greinke (a wise move IMO).

He definitely needs more work but has the potential to be a number 2 or 3 starter. For the right deal though I would move him. Who really is available though that warrants trading a prospect like Carrasco. Bedard is hurt and the last thing we need is another Freddie Garcia situation.

http://myteamrivals.typepad.com/phightin_phils_phorum

The guy we trade for has got to be totally healthy. So its burnett or B list basically. I dont want an injured guy. If bedard is healthy in the offseason hed be worth it but not now.

carrasco is a number two or three guy when hes ready, NO way you trade that sure thing. thats why they dont have pitching in the first place..

Yeah. The phillies dont give 100 million to anybody, so i wouldnt worry about it. well never get him as a free agent.

theyll go year to year with howard. they wont trade him either. ive given up on thinking about that, has like no chance of happening. NONE.

they will have to suck it up and eat eaton and jenkins contracts though.

you have to be careful with when you bring him up though. you don’t want another gavin floyd on your hands. i wouldn’t be shocked if carrasco comes up this year, but he would need to put together a string of dominant starts in the minors to warrant it.

Carrasco should wait til next year to come up.

Happ, on the other hand, is ready to be the fifth starter and has earned a shot. He pitched well enough in his two starts to deserve another one. Meanwhile, Adam Eaten-alive-by-hitters has pitched poorly enough to deserve a one-game benching while Happ takes his first start after the break.

I’m not saying you replace Eaton with Happ permanently (well, I am, but I don’t want to get ahead of ourselves). But even the Eaton apologists will have to admit that he’s pitched so poorly his last two or three starts, and Happ has pitched so well, that at least a one-game switch is warranted.

Carrasco pitching in the minor leagues is a boondoggle. As Brett Myers showed today, its hard to be consistent against the Akron Aeros. Its time for all these carpetbaggers to come north and abandon their dustbowl homes.

Twelve straight games after the break against division opponents. And the Mets are resurgent (I am now officially worried about them, and we all should be … replacing the manager has entirely erased the psychological trauma of last September).

This is gonna be a dogfight in the second half.

Happ should permanently take Eatons spot in the rotation. Carrasco should be called up to start until Myers comes back “fixed” or they trade for someone to take the spot.

Well it definitely looks like we won’t be getting Fuentes (although i never really thought we would get him anyway)…. apparently the Rox asked for Carrasco or Marson…….

http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/fuentes_still_a_phillies_targe.html

Overall, I think we will benefit from the Future’s game. It officially stamped the quality of our minor league prospects, and at the same time it shows the rest of the league what we have to offer. Hopefully Pat the Fat won’t ship away Carrasco. I was skeptical of Carlos up until yesterday, but he needs to stay – no doubt about it.

Switching topics to the Mets. I for one never underestimated them on this board as many did. I made a comment about a month and a half ago that has rung true.

The Mets have enough talent that they can win the east. Their problem is that they are a bunch of front runners. If things are going good then its REALLY GOOD. If things go bad its REALLY BAD. Thats their mentality. We have no one to blame but our own team for losing 3 of 4 at home to them to get them on this roll.

I hate to say it, but they’ll be around the rest of the way, and if we are lucky enough to still be in front at the beginning of September, they will make a run, and we will be crapping on ourselves worried that we’ll collapse.

All I’m saying is that they are good enough to win…..when they get going, and they have gotten going, so I expect them to keep playing well b/c they’re a bunch of frontrunning losers.

I agree Mark – untouchables are Marson and Carrasco. I think Happ will stay for the rest of the season. If we can’t get a pitcher for a Golson package, we’ll have to throw Myers back in there and see what happens. Carrasco is not ready.

Unfortunately, a rotation of Hamels/Myers/Kendrick/Moyer/Happ is not going to cut it — that won’t even get you past the first round. It may not even get you into the playoffs, considering the wild card is most likely coming out of the Central.

As much as I dislike the Mets–They were the best team in the NL east until the last two weeks of the season–They now have Santana and a new manager who has them playing as a team–The Phillies need starting pitching help now or else the Mets could blow right by us.

Keith Law on the Futures Games:

Disappointments
A handful of players didn’t live up to advance billing. Lou Marson was fine behind the plate, but didn’t square balls up and repeatedly hit balls on the ground, even in BP. … Regular-season teammate Greg Golson showed again that his approach at the plate is atrocious, with a very long swing and poor pitch recognition, and he had two very bad reads in left field during the game. …Nate Schierholtz’s approach wasn’t much better, and frankly, he wouldn’t have been my first choice to get four at-bats in the game among U.S. hitters. … Will Inman’s delivery drew a lot of laughs in the scouts’ section — he looks like he’s “doing the pigeon,” for you old-school “Sesame Street” fans — and he throws severely across his body with a fringe-average fastball and a big, slow-roller curveball. He’d have a hard time being a fifth starter in most parks, although Petco Park might make him a No. 3. … Carlos Carrasco was 90-94, throwing slightly across his body with poor command, and he didn’t throw a breaking ball in his inning of work. He did come out of a July 1 start after two warm-up pitches, complaining of shoulder soreness.

Trying to create? How about: we are just not an above average baseball team right now.

just get a hitter. no need to get a pitcher
Here is what should be the starting rotation
1 Cole Hamels
2 Brett Myers
3 Jamie Moyer
4 J.A. Happ
5. Kyle kendrick

Just get a hitter? That’s our smallest concern. Why in the world would we ge a hitter over a pitcher?

mike t. I hope you move to queens for the rest of your life

no no no

moyer is a 4 or a 5. if he is yoru 3 in the playoffs then youre not going anywhere

id roll out something like

hamels
number two acquisition (burnett, blanton, lowe, etc)
happ/myers
moyer
kendrick.

eaton is matt morriss-ed

I really want Randy Winn as a hitter. Golson and Taguchi for Winn.

Yeah, Winn is decent but not great. I’d really like for them to go after DeJesus and Greinke. Give them a blockbuster deal. Bastrado, Donald, Jaramillo(they need a catcher), Harman, and some others.