Carrasco, Myers, Werth, Taguchi, Dobbs, Victorino, and Gordon for A-Rod?

The Yankees would get six guys for just one of their own! And this would definitely make the Phillies better!

With the room temperature IQ….Why don’t you slip into something more comfortable……LIKE A COMA!!

Met fans are so stupid, they could’nt empty a boot full of water if the instructions were written on the bottom.

And you certainly havent broken the mold Skippy. If brains were taxed; you’d get a rebate. Your like an Opiate, A slow working dope!

Now save your Breath. You’ll need it to blowup your date.

As far as Holliday goes, it won’t happen, between the Phillies management being cheap, and the Rockies not wanting to let go of one of the MLB’s top players, but here’s wishful thinking: Holliday and a couple toss-ins from Single A Ball for Myers, Victorino, Golson, Carrasco, Donald.

Rollins
Utley
Holliday
Howard
Burrell
Werth
Feliz
Ruiz
Pitcher

That’s the most deadly line up ever. I don’t care if Ruiz doesn’t get a hit at all in the playoffs. That line up is deadly. Holliday is ridiculously clutch in the post season. Just look at his #s last year in the post season. That really might be the best line up ever, and when you throw Marson into the equation next year…oh man.

Hamels
Moyer
Blanton
Myers/Kendrick

Moyer is our #2 in the post season. He’s such a big game pitcher. I think with the experience this team got last year and the taste of it will leave them wanting more and will go deeper. A Blanton and Myers pitching to their potential could be ridiculously potent. It’s not Sabathia/Sheets or Harden/Zambrano/Dempster, but we can take out Sabathia/Sheets and Harden/Zambrano with Hamels and Moyer pitching. I really have that much confidence in those 2 guys in the post season.

Unfortunately, between the salary we’d be adding and the cost in prospects, it’s really hard to see the Phils pulling off a Holliday trade.

Yeah, I agree with you. I pretty much said that in my previous post. They cannot give up what looks to be a top 5 hitting catcher and a stout receiver with a strong arm. They NEED a catcher, like now. Coste has done a superb job and is far better than Ruiz overall, but he simply cannot handle the everyday rigors of the job. Simply put, Ruiz is an offensive liability. He doesn’t just hit poorly; he’s the worst hitter in the league amongst everyday players. His swing mechanics are atrocious and not that of a professional baseball player. I’ve played with many guys in college with better swing mechanics and hitting approaches. In an attempt to stay inside the ball, he ends up flying open and rolling over on flat out meatballs that many collegiete level players would handle with more consistency. Being a slow, contact, groundball-type hitter with no speed and a weak contact point makes for a ton of DPs which has killed an inordinate amount of rallies. Hell, even on his “good” swings he doesn’t extend through the ball like professional hitters do. He is part of the reason for the decreased run production for Rollins. There’s never anyone on base for him because Ruiz is too busy hitting them out of big RBI situations.

I’m a proponent of calling Marson up sometime in August, if not now. Double-A baseball actually has a higher level of talent than does Triple-A. Notice how many of the big super-rookies and such make the leapfrog over Triple-A right into the majors. This is mostly because Double-A is the final breeding ground for the majority of the bigtime talents and Triple-A serves more as a warehouse for utility men, end of the rotation and mid-pen setup guys that are optioned back and forth to fill in for injured players on the MLB rosters. This is not ALWAYS the case, obviously, but just look at how many ex-MLB journeymen and role players are optioned back and forth between the two levels in comparison. Really, would it hurt Marson that much if he were to come up and hit, say .250?? Thats FAR better than Ruiz and I do believe he’s more of a flyball/linedrive hitter. However, with all that said, I still probably have to take Holliday when all is said and done.

Lewisauce,

The Phillies actually have a lot more pitching talent that you or many other people really know about. The guys I’m speaking are just very young and currently in Rookie Ball, requiring many more years of seasoning. Do you want to give up Carrasco and Happ? Absolutely not. But if you can give up Carrasco and Happ, but NOT Marson, you’re doing the trade all day long. There is no possible way you can pass up on arguably one of the top 3 hitters currently in the game; all because of solid middle of the rotation potential in Happ and, once again the key word is potential, top of the rotation dreams for Carrasco. I think Carlos has absurd possibilities, but its all speculation until the kid actually comes into the MLB and does it with consistency. We’ve been down this road way too many times and probably passed on at least 2 World Series appearances while Wade was here all because they valued their prospects too much, most of which have barely seen or thrown a pitch in the majors!

Remember, Holliday is still YOUNG, and if you can convince him to stay long-term, you will have one of the greatest offensive clubs in the history of the game. Utley/Holliday/Howard = ~150 HRs per year if all stay healthy. There’s also no telling how much better they’ll all be from the affects of having one another in the same lineup.

Get it done Pat!

Happ/Kendrick are our Nos. 4-5 for years to come, and they’re damn solid. Blanton is a fine No. 3 next year. No. 2 is the worry. It could be Carrasco. If not, you get someone in free agency. But legit MLB starting pitchers are rare (very few teams have five of ‘em), pitching is harder to find than hitting, pitching wins championships, etc. Look at Gavin Floyd. For years, Hamels and Floyd were the only untouchables in the Pharm system. Floyd got off to a bad start here, and we traded him for Garcia. One year later, he is living up to the ceiling that was projected for him. If he were here now, the division race would already be over and we’d be pissed that the AL won the World Series.

We already lost Outman. If we lost Carrasco and Happ, there would literally be nothing left on the mound in our Pharm system.