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Yes they are. Other teams get people up to the bigs, i mean the good prospects, at 21,22,23. cole hamels and kyle kendrick were 22/23 when they came up. hamels mightve been 21. However, a lot of these other guys are still down there. JA Happ is like 26.

Carrasco will be ready by next year unless they bring him up now, hes 21.

but where are all the position players? pat burrell was the first over all pick so he was ready.

chase utley was held back for too long, jimmy rollins was very young when he came up.

but, ryan howard is 28/29 now! they wasted YEARS on him sittin gbehind jim thome. tahts why hes contract situation is out of control. he wasnts to get paid now because they took years off of his major league career.

Utley and Howard were held back by Thome and Polanco. I mean, Thome and Polonco at the time they were on the Phillies were one of the best 1B and 2B combo in the game. That’s the only reason they were held back. Howard was also held back because he was Pedro Cerano. I’d leave Marson down there until 2009 he’s young. Golson also needs to get out of this Pedro Cerano thing he’s got going on. Carrasco should be up next year if not this year. Cardeans will be ready by 2010 in which case we probably won’t have Howard anymore so you can shift Utley to 1B or you can put him in the outfield. I’m starting to consider stripping this team right now while you can. Keep Utley, Hamels, Durbin, Romero, Madson, Lidge, Victorino, Werth, Feliz(just because he’s already signed and we have no 3B prospects), Kendrick, and Coste and let go of everyone else. Keep Moyer if he wants to continue to pitch and make him your #5 guy. Next season bring Cardeans up to play 2B and put Utley on 1st. Bring up Donald to play SS. Marson is the everyday catcher with Coste as a back up/pinch hitter. Outfielders will be Golson in CF, Vic in RF, and Werth in LF. Starting rotation will be Hamels, Carrasco, Kendrick, Happ, and Bestrado. If Moyer is still around then figure out what you can do with him. Moyer might be a good LOOGY and Romero could be your set up man. You also have Outman to pitch in the pen too. You can trade Burrell, Rollins, and Howard right now and net a lot for them. You can probably rape the Dodgers or Orioles of their farm systems for Rollins, maybe even get a stellar 3B prospect that is MLB ready for next year. Send Howard out to SF, for Lincecum or just trade Howard anywhere for their farm. Burrell could probably net you an A prospect too right now. That could be a team ready to win for 2011. Any thoughts?

I don’t know Tim. They have a lot of pitching and a lot of pitching prospects with a horrid offense. They are looking to replace a big bat now that Bonds is gone.

Whynot unload this team? They aren’t a contending team. J-Roll and Howard can bring you in a lot of farm pieces or plug in some pieces. J-Roll is also 30 and getting old. Whynot try something new? By the time this team could possibly be ready to compete again Rollins will be getting older. So will Utley, but he’ll be at 1B and I could imagine him trying to bulk up because he wouldn’t need the same range as a 1B which would make him hit the long ball more. This team can’t compete with the AL, no NL teams can. They are not ready for the WS. Whynot get a team together that is?

Well, hold on now. If someone offers you the farm for rollins you take it. rollins is 29/30 so hes in his prime. but, youre telling me, if someone comes along and offers you 4 A prospects, youd say no? (A) meaning young mlb ready top flight young talent.

i thin kyou gotta take that. i mean if someone comes and TOTALLY blows you away with an offer

Also, I have to add that Jimmy Rollins is my favorite player on the team and has been since like 02 and I still say trade him. He’s getting up there in age now and this isn’t a contending team. Mike T. Feliz has no trade value and he’s a great defensive 3B. Leave him there until we get a legit 3B. You have to KEep Werth, maybe not Vic but definitely Werth. That guy has so much ridiculous amounts of potential.

The Dodgers and the O’s will be rebuilding their teams with prospects. They wont go for a Rollins. The Hewitt draft pick was a stupid one in my estimation. They should have gone for a college OF. Someone who is proven. I hated Ed Wade with a passion and when he was strangled last week I jumped for joy. However the one thing he has done better then Gilick is drafting. Gilick is an all or nothing guy. Case in point Greg Golson. They are gambling way too much on the draft. Wade at least got us Rollins (2nd Round), Utley (1st Rd), Howard (5th Rd), Hamels (1st Rd). His only big bust for the Phillies was Gavin Floyd.

you guys all think the phils should dump everyone now for prospects? What’s wrong with you? How is this not a contending team, because they’ve hit a slump and fallen back to earth? Colorado made the series last year and they were terrible most of the season. The Phils are a contending team going through a tough spot.

Hewitt has a very high ceiling. Gillick likes high ceiling guys. I mean, didn’t he draft A-Rod?

colorado got swept because they were about one tenth as good as the red sox.

the phillies are not a contender. they are a fraud.even if they win their disvision, they are still a fraud. they have way too many holes that were exposed by ALL of the AL teams they played.

I didn’t say Kendrick is better than a young (2004) Brandon Webb.

But for you, Phil:

2004 Webb
7-16 3.59ERA 164K’S 119BB’S

2007-08 Kendrick
17-7 4.17ERA 88K’S 52BB’S

Now, Kendrick isn’t even in the same class as Webb — but I’m saying that if we can get another 1 or 2 pitcher, Kendrick will do just fine as a 4 or 5.

Hm, you make a good argument, although wins don’t phase me. That’s a team stat.

I agree Mike T. I had trouble making that line up because of all of the talent you have there. I wouldn’t blow up the farm. We have the most underrated farm right now. We have a super star in Utley. We have a cy young pitcher in Hamels. We have a lights out closer in Lidge. That bullpen can still be good. We have a good starting rotation potential. I’m excited for our future if we don’t blow this farm up. We’re not winning the world series this year, it’s just not happening.

Yeah I agree. There is WAY too much OLD ASS OVERPAID GARBAGE on this team. those variations of 2009-10 lineups look good. thats a world series potential team for years to come. youve got something there.

this is known as moneyball. its what billy beane does. if you know youre a fraud then blow the team up and rebuild. he went to the ALCS in 2006 and then knew that was it, he blew the team up and theyre about a year away from being back there now.

you dont hold onto old overpaid junk for too long. thats a waste of money ESPECIALLY for a team so worried about its self imposed salary cap.

you pick out like 5 guys to lock up long term and then everyone else goes. hamels kendrick lidge come to mind. utley and rollins are already locked up. rollins and howard can go for elite prospects.

the more i look at this SP market. the more i think, F it. just bring up someone from within.

youre going to give up your farm for some of that garbage thats out there? erik bedard? aj burnett? those guys are gutless jerks who are overrated.

This team could make it to the WS potentially, but we’re not winning the WS. We’ll get swept like the Rox. Blow this team up.

Geoff, that’s true about having to do it in the offseason. They won’t make any other moves until they’re officially out of it – even though we all know they have no chance.

I will join all of you in expressing optimism in the potential of the current farm system but can you honestly, and with a straight face, propose a 2009 lineup with 8 rookies involved?? Are you delirious? I would hope that if the Phillies are ‘unloading’ all of this proven veteran talent they will be getting something in return. Where do those guys play? Not even the Rays have had so many rookies (and when they approached that number they were awful). Doesn’t this win later attitude waste the rest of Utley’s (limited) prime?

Believe me I want to win as much as anyone and it hurts to see the losses pile up lately but I think this is a string of serious overreactions. There are obviously some changes that need to be made but let’s see what the trade deadline brings and reevaluate once the dust settles. As much as we seem to think we can predict the future we can not. I’m glad for that because it wouldn’t be as much fun of a ride if I knew what was coming.

Apparently they’re crying up in Red Sox nation too. They want to blow that team up and think that they suck. There are trade Ellsbury and Manny talks going on right now.

You all are really really turning me off with all the negative talk.

The phils are still a contender!

Jimmy and Ryan will come around and I’m sure we’ll get a good pitcher by the deadline. I have no doubt we’ll be in the NLCS against the cubs. We’ve waited the last 4 or 5 years for our young studs to peak and now that they are almost there, you want to trade them?!

Thank God none of you are GMs.

Remember we have plenty of season left.

Yeah but they cant beat the angels or the red sox or the rangers or the athletics or any of those decent to good al teams in a series.

some rookie green unproven untested pitcher totally shut them down the other day. josh beckett will no hit this team. john lackey would shut this team out

thats so true. “some of these AL teams have 3′s that are as good as hamels”

and thats why the phillies are a fraud

Ill bet those are the same people that think theres a difference between barrack obama and john mccain

Actually, no this is my team, I am going to watch them all year and on here I will say what is the best way they can win a world series and what moves will make that happen

I believe that our poor play in the interleague games was more about our slumping hitters and not our “trash” rotation. Moyer, Kendrick and even Eaton for the most part have been keeping us in games. If our hitters come around, which they will, we will prevail with pitchers that give up 3 or 4 runs.