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I think if you put a high average hitter with mediocre power numbers in this cleanup spot he’d be close to Howard’s RBI total. Just the fact that he’ll be making contact more often is a big plus. If James Loney was here batting fourth, he’d have at least an additional 20 RBIs. He also wouldn’t be such a defensive liability and he strikes out much less. Nothing good happens with a strikeout. A lot of good things can happen just by putting the ball in play.

Loney: .302 BA
Howard: 223 BA

Loney: .358 OBP
Howard: .313 OBP

Loney: .458 SLG
Howard: .475 SLG

Loney: 111 OBP+SLG
Howard: 101 OBP+SLG

Loney: 47 RBI
Howard: 76 RBI

Loney: 47 K
Howard: 123 K

I think a guy that makes contact would thrive in this lineup. Howard is starting to look more and more like Dave Kingman.

Don M, Burrell is worth that $14 million this year. An AL team will offer him $15 million a year to go DH or play LF there. The Philles will offer him 3 years $30 million probably.

Werth would be an adequate replacement. Then they’ll just need someone to play RF.

There is just a good chance to get burned by contracts when you go long-term with someone.. look at Soriano, Carlos Lee, …we wanted them here, but if your payroll is $100 million, and you have a guy that makes $15-20 M in a season, that limits what you can do for the rest of your roster.

I like Burrell, but maybe at 2 years, $20…with an option… because if you aren’t counting on Golson, or Berry, or any of those guys being major league-ready outfielders by then, then we should try to trade them.

If they Phils want to keep Hamels, he’s going to cost them.. and if they want to add another starter, that costs money too… i’d rather that money go to pitching then go to Burrell and Howard.

Good arguement with the Loney thing… a team of .300 hitters will beat a team of power hitters everyday. Like Geoff said, look at the Rays who can single you to death and run the bases!

sry i havnt been around…gotta work a little, but im glad this isnt football bc J-Roll would defeintaly be holding out for salery disputes… great move by the phils when we did that…was that wade in his final year? i remeber it was in the middle of a year

if we need pitching so much whats wrong with trading howard(rather do in the offseason). we would of course lose RBI’s but wed pick up better situational hitting, DEFENSE, less strikeouts, a more rounded hitter whether thats dobbs or whoever takes his spot(by more rounded i mean more basehits, put the ball in play, situational at bats). if we keep him for another year after this and his avg stays thhe same he loses trade value, i think his trade value is the highest it will be right now and this offseason. we trade him we get young pitching and a couple players that will hopefully lead this club in 5 years

howards trade value was at its peak a year or so ago but now its just better to hang onto him unless someone blows you away completely

Dude, you can’t even compare Dunn and Howard. Howard is MUCH better than Dunn. The 76 RBI’s and fastest player to 150 home runs says it all. Howard will have 400 home runs before Dunn has 400.

No but thats the type of hitter he his… he’s a HR-or-Strikeout guy… 3 years ago, when Dunn was hitting 45-HR a year, he was dangerous.. people figured out his swing, and now he still K’s all the time.

That is my fear with K-How… that pitchers will adjust to him, more then he will adjust to them

Yeah, but Howard also won an MVP and even last year still had a great season. There is no doubt in my mind that he will strike out 200 times this year, but he’ll also have 50 homers 140+ RBI’s, and a .250+ BA when all is said and done.

if im trading with the angels i want ervin santana, howie kendrick and good prospects.

also, the cubs have started to pursue harden now. wed better get in there. you dont want them to get him. hes the best guy out there still.

th eangels would never do that by the way, im being nice in asking for that and theyd still say no

I guarantee you that if Gillick put Howard out on the trade market that teams would jump at him. Also, offense can get you to the playoffs. ie Yankees every year, Mariners in the late 90′s early 00′s, Phillies, etc. What’s the point of having great pitching and D if you can’t get to the post season…A’s, Blue Jay’s, Giants, Indians, Dodgers, etc. The Angel’s are only in 1st in their division because of K-Rod. If it weren’t for K-Rod they wouldn’t have as many saves as they do. It’s obvious their pitching single handedly wins them games. They get a 1 run lead and leave it to K-Rod to get the job done. They could use that power bat in their line up so they don’t have to rely on only K-Rod to make sure they win the game. What if he gets injured or gets overworked and starts pitching poorly? Then you’re screwed.

Don M, my gf wouldn’t appreciate that, but I will take the cash that it costs to get a hand job at a wishie washie place instead.

I don’t think Howard is as valuable a commodity as people in Philly like to believe. He had a 45 point BA drop last season and it looks like he’s heading for another 35-40 point drop this season. His strikeout rate continues to climb. That’s a sign of a player who can’t (or won’t) make adjustments. By this point in his career, Ryan should be figuring things out instead of going backwards.

exactly what i was thinking don m, utley at first h-kendrick at second. santana pops into the rotation as a 2. kendrick moves into the 2 hole (hes a true 2hole hitter)

Yea but the Angels wouldn’t make that move… unfortunately..

Go ahead Chris.. explain what you meant then.. cause my response to your post was completely reasonable

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Yeah, they can actually part with Santana because of how insane that pitching staff is, but Kendrick they wouldn’t part with. Whatever, regardless, trade Howard for a #1 pitcher or a pitching prospect that is MLB ready and is rated as a #1. Don’t do this now, but do it during the offseason. Utley can play 1st and you still have Cardenas to play 2B. You can even try out Donald at 2B as well. The more I think about it the less I’d like to give up Cardenas. He seems like that situational hitter type that gets on base that we need.

Wow, you guys are tough on players. I understand that their a Philly team but wow. Ryan Howard is more valuable to our team than most of you would like to admit. He’s batting .333 with men in scoring position w/ 2 out this year and .163 without men on. He clearly swings for the fences when there is no one on but goes for contact when there are. He had a terrible April, but that was overshadowed by Utley’s fire and he has been progressing each month. Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying he’s all that great but some of you make him seem completely worthless to the team. I’ll bet any one person on here 50 bucks that he hits .250 or better at the end of the year.

…So I embellished on your phrase a little bit… but your point is the same as mine. That Howard plays poor defense, strikesout a lot, does not get basehits, and can be a very poor situational hitter.

I think everyone agrees on that… so my point is, with Howard being all of the above, what team would want to give up a solid pitcher, or a top pitching prospect for that?

I might be a joke.. in fact, I probably am… but the fact that you, me, geoff and Phil are among the main posters on here.. and you guys don’t always agree with me. That doesn’t keep me up at night. Seriously, no joke.

PHILLIES SUCK, the Mets are crushing them now, no more playoffs

Here Chris.. Im sorry I got you so upset.

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