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Olney: No Move For Phillies

Posted by Tim Malcolm, Thu, July 31, 2008 03:47 PM | Comments: 132
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Buster Olney has written the obituary on this deadline for the Phillies. He says they look to be sitting out of the left-handed reliever sweepstakes.

It’s more likely a LOOGY will come after waivers.

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  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    i agree with that. now that they didnt get a better catcher, marson might maek his debut this year instead of next

     
  • Posts: 0 tom

    ..or that could be the reason why they didn’t trade a bullpen arm they didn’t have for a catcher.

     
  • Posts: 0 Fred

    Donald – 24 in Sept – AA
    Marson – 22 – AA
    Carrasco – 21 – AA
    Golson – 23 in Sept – AAA

    These prospects aren’t spring chickens. The average major league age is 28. The clock is rapidly ticking on these guys.

     
  • Posts: 0 tom

    …what? carrasco is still really young, and he and marson will both be on the opening day roster next year so that’s a moot point.
    donald is blocked so they’ll either trade him eventually or he’ll move to third… but 24 isn’t old (consider that utley and howard both had late entries into the majors because the phillies kept them down for too long)… golson is … golson and is older because he’s not going to ever pan out.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jamie

    Geoff, Ruiz is much better than Pudge. :) Marson will be up in a month, and he’ll be the starter next year. Who knows, he could be the next Pudge. Fred, 23 and 24 is not necessarily old by any means – many players drafted out of college don’t hit the pros until 24-25 anyways, so these guys can certainly make it with plenty of time to spare.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    right. so either bring them up or trade them

    what do the phillies do? sign geoff jenkins to eat space on the roster. sign garbage that takes up space that could be used by these young players to grow and mature. fucking idiot management

     
  • Posts: 0 Fred

    How are you so sure Carrasco and Marson will make the big club? If they were that close they’d be here considering the need in our starting pitching and catcher situation.

    Usually good players still aren’t in AA at 23 and 24.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jamie

    I think you’ll see Carrasco, Marson, Donald, and Golson joining the big club in September. At least Golson and Marson. Jenkins is probably hitting better than what Golson could do, since he has bat trouble. That’s why his development this year is so important. If he doesn’t get it together this year, next year will be his last chance. They won’t resign Jenkins after next season and Burrell may be gone.

     
  • Posts: 0 Fred

    Donald look pretty shaky in the Futures Game

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    but if they have no trade value

    and were not good enough as is

    and the owners wont spend the money

    then blow the team up and GET the good players that you need to win

     
  • Posts: 0 Fred

    I kind of agree with you Geoff. How long before Howard’s gone? This another team good enough to compete well but not good enough to win it all.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jamie

    Fred, get serious. Donald, who is the oldest, was drafted in 2006. He has played about two full years in the minors, and moved from low A in 2006 (after finishing college) to A and A+ in 2007. He’s been at AA this year, which is not that out of the norm. Marson was drafted out of HS in 2004 (the same year as Happ), and he’s just now hitting the majors. He’s not that far behind, but the Phils don’t want to make a catching change this late in the season (and for good reason). The staff doesn’t need a 22 year old rookie to come in during a pennant race to get used to the staff. That’s what spring training will be for.

     
  • Posts: 0 Pete

    I can’t believe the full-throated defense for the front office. They did not even attempt to get Rich Harden. Will he break down? Maybe. Will Bastardo and Carrasco ever pitch in the majors? Maybe. Given the sack of crap Beane was willing to accept for Harden from the Cubs (heck, Beane even threw in a reliever with a 1.10 WHIP), I can’t believe the price would have been too high from the Phils. Certainly what we gave up for Blanton would have gotten it done. But why risk it on a #1/2 pitcher who MIGHT get hurt? Brilliant move from our fearless FO. I’m not going to throw Blanton under the bus yet, but he is nowhere near as good as Harden.

    They never appeared to make a serious run at Burnett, either. The only guy they even talked about was Bedard, probably because Gillick is in love with Mariners players. I’m actually glad Bedard got hurt, because he sucks and these morons would have paid WAYYYYY too much for him.

    Geoff is right – you either pull out all the stops to win or you pack it in and build for later. If they weren’t going to load up to win this year, they didn’t have to blow the whole team up, but it would have been smart to trade certain pieces in high demand to stock the farm system. Then, use free agency or trades at the winter meetings to come back strong in ’09.

    They are just praying to make it to the playoffs again to keep the fans docile enough to choke on some more ticket price hikes. They don’t give flying crap if they win the WS, or even get into it.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    i think hes gona after 2010 when hell be 31

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    thanks for agreeing, llke EVERY mlb team that doesnt spend outlandish money does too. they ALL do it. if they know they wont win then they become sellers and rebuild. they dont try to fool themselves because its a waste of time. either try and win now or try and build an elite team for the future. phildelphia is sick of the inbetween

     
  • Posts: 0 Jamie

    Pete – two words for you…Freddie Garcia. That’s why they stayed away from Harden. Full-throated my ass, douchebag.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jamie

    But if we build for the future and give away our stars now, we’re going to lose now anyways…right? I never said I’d be against trading prospects, because I’m not, but I have always said it has to make sense. For those of you in the cheap seats, that means not giving up too much, and recognizing risk/rewards.

     
  • Posts: 0 Pete

    Ah good…more name calling. Guess what – Harden would not have cost the kind of prospects we gave up for Garcia, nor is his salary anywhere close. And do the Phillies not have a competent physician on their staff who can conduct a physical of these players? WTF?

    I guess we’d better not offer Sheets a contract in the offseason then.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    right, recognizing value. maybe their prospects dont have value like we think they do. obviously, that must be the case because if they DO have value to others, taht would make gillick totally incompetent right?

     
  • Posts: 0 Jamie

    and another point…why should we becomes sellers WHEN WE’RE IN FUCKING FIRST PLACE YOU IDIOTS!? It’s not like we’re the Tigers or Nats for Christsakes.

     
  • Posts: 0 Fred

    So Marson is now in his fifth year of minor ball? Sure he might stick in the bigs but a stud catcher? Stud players don’t spend 4-5 yrs in the minors.

    Donald is nothing more than a utility infielder at best. Longoria is a stud player and how many yrs was he in the minors?

    Please stop with how good these players are.

     
  • Posts: 0 Fred

    What does first place mean? It means we can get to the playoffs and get clocked by the Cubbies. Come on – winning the WS is the goal not first place.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jamie

    Fred, Fred, Fred…you fail to recognize a couple of important points. First, who did the Rays have blocking Logoria? That’s what I thought. So they had no need to hold him back and develop him. Marson was blocked along the way by Ruiz and Jaramillo, who at the time were considered more developed. The Phils always thought Marson had more upside than Jaramillo, and I think they are right. Point is, none of us know how good these guys are/will be. It’s all a gamble, but is sure is fun debating it. :)

     
  • Posts: 0 Jamie

    But we’re not going to get to the playoffs if we don’t win the division. How are we going to win the East by trading away our vets for prospects?

     
  • Posts: 0 Fred

    Come on Jamie – how good are you if you’re blocked by Ruiz and Coste?

    Remember…cream always rises to the top.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jamie

    They’ve said it before already – they don’t want to bring him up at this point since he does not know the staff. How many clubs call up a rookie catcher in the middle of a pennant race? I can’t think of any offhand. They said they’re going to wait until September or Spring Training.

     
  • Posts: 0 Fred

    Doesn’t matter who was in front of Longoria. 19 HR, 60RBI, .275BA. As a rookie with little pro ball experience equals stud.

     
  • Posts: 0 Fred

    I agree with you, they’re not going to throw him into the fire. I just don’t see him as anything more than a minimal improvement at catcher.

     
  • Posts: 0 FantasyManager

    Gillick should’ve traded Myers for Manny.

    What an idiot. Phillies management never makes any good moves like this.

     
  • Posts: 0 FantasyManager

    Or traded Ruiz for Jason Bay.

    Gillick is such an IDIOT. That’s a trade I would’ve made in a heartbeat.

    Our management is incompetent.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    I just want to win, and theyre not going to win the WS with waiver wire pickups. its that simple, same as last year except this team isnt as good.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    and yes, i know that.

     
 
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