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So this guy has amazing K/walk numbers, but without the help of dominating stuff.

Coupled with his lefty 3 quarters delivery, this dude is similar to Sid Fernandez.

well i read that they called him up to take condrey’s place until he comes back from being with his wife who is having a kid right now.

Phil I know you hate Condrey but he does have a 3.50 ERA since middle of April and for the last bullpen option that is pretty good, compared to what we used to have with mesa, hernandez, rhodes and god awful mike williams, oh and turk wendell and dennis cook, i feel like i could name 80 people here

i know that he is the first to go, i wasjust saying that isnt horrible.

Condreys really improved over the course of the year untill he was caught in the Myers debacle last week. Condrey’s not going to be anything more than a mop-up guy and this way if its short-term as the Phils will aggresively court a set-up guy like Fuentes Swindle could really give Charlie what he’s wanted all year in that second lefty that’s not named Steve Kline.

Really interested to see how this guy works out, apart from the Braves the rest of the division can be free swinging bats which this guy could be murder on.

Keep Condery and Swindle and cut Taguci.

condrey goes, though theyll need someone slse to eat innings out of the pen (ryan madson). condrey is a 32 year old mop up guy who battle his whole career to make a big league roster. sort of costian, but chris coste is an impact hitter. condrey can catch on somewhere else or be kept for organizational depth. someone else might grab him if the phillis send him to to AAA because hed have to clear waivers.

Condrey has done a pretty good job this year in his role… he is a mop-up guy who eats innings when they are up big, or down big… Obviously he is the least exciting pitcher on the team, but is he even worth talking about replacing??

Ryan Madson has been throwing a lot lately, and has been doing VERY well in my opinion… Im wondering if he might be getting an audition for some other teams since the Phillies have Durbin, Romero, Gordon (who I hate) and Lidge… Madson seems like he could be a trade piece.

I think you need condrey to be able to actually pitch in games that matter, otherwise its a wasted roster spot. also, how can so taguchi still be on this team? its totally amazing. he comtributes absolutely nothing at all to the team.

Every team needs at least one guy that can go pitch when you are either definitely going to win..or lose that game. That is what Condrey is on the team for.. otherwise you could be winning 12-2 and using Madson, Durbin, etc…. then the next night its a 3-2 ballgame, and they are tired from the night before.

In an ideal world, we would have an all-star at every position, including every bullpen spot.. but there are way more important issues to this team than complaining about the bench and minor-role guys..

Jenkins hasn’t been very good, but if he’s the 4th outfielder on your team, you really don’t have too much to worry about.

Bruntlet and Dobbs can be your 5th OF. Screw Taguci.

Unfortunately they would never do that b/c then your bench is shortened to basically 3 guys b/c you dont wnat to PH your back up C, so Taguci stays and Condrey is trade bait…….could use him in a SP deal?

Hey you guys see that Sabathia is the top priority trade wise for the phils according to Todd Zolecki? I dont like it unless they ink him to a long term deal before the trade.

Yea I don’t think he holds much value, but he’ll be one of those journeymen relievers that sticks around the majors for 10+ years.. teams aren’t going to give up much for him, but when his time with the Phillies is done, Im sure he’ll get another job in the bigs.

I read before the Indians were not willing to give any team a “window” to sign Sabathia to a long-term deal… and that Sabathia wants to hit the free-agent market…

Who does everyone want at this point? Harang is having an awful year, not just record, but his ERA is way up…. Bedard is a whackjob, Sabathia would be a rental, you’d have to give up EVERYTHING for Harden… any thoughts?

Maybe thats what you have to do I dont know. I dont know if there is a frontline pitcher that works thats not a rental or a d-bag that you can get. They didnt do enough in the offseason like we said.

The indians will hang up the phone if you even mention clay condrey. Teams will pick up condrye, maybe, if you DFA him but noone actually wants him in a trade. he has no value, just a throw in if you can even get someone to accept it.

The Indians will get and want 4 A prospects for sabathia. not 2. the phillies should not get CC. repeat, NOT. hes not resigning and theyd give up their future for a few months of a guy that chokes in the playoffs anyway. The phillies will need those prospects, or most of them, as we said yesterday.

Also, their lineup is not good enough to beat the Angels, A’s or Red Sox starting pitching. we saw that.

haha.. he’s not garbage… but he’s not worth talking this much about either… he’s thrown 33 Innings this year… he’s really a non-issue. He has a minor-role on this team, and he does an alright job at his role. He has no trade value. But if he was a out there for the taking, another team would grab him without a doubt because everyone needs arms in their bullpen..

Condrey is decent in mop-up and better 12th man than many bullpens have. However if there is a better arm, specifically a lefty since the bullpen needs two left-handed pitchers, he should be sent down to AAA. I think that Swindle will do well in the majors and take Condrey’s place. Condrey will probably pass waivers and then be sent to AAA in case we need him again.

I would rather see Snelling (if he’s not injured), Brandon Watson, Jason Donald, Jeremy Slayden, Greg Golson, or even some other AA or AAA outfielders not named TJ Bohn than have So Taguchi waste anymore time on the 25 man roster. It’s time to DFA Taguchi.

As for Geoff Jenkins, he really isn’t that bad. He is no longer a MLB starting RF, but his offense and defense and fine in a platoon with Werth. Jenkins numbers from April and May were quite good. He struggled in June, but so did most of the team offensively. As the team gets out of the hitting slump he will as well. He isn’t much more than the lefty in a platoon and an extra lefty on the bench when Werth starts, but he isn’t worth getting rid of, at least not yet.

Hopefully the Phillies will bring up Happ for the spot in the rotation. I would be okay with Carrasco although I don’t think he is quite ready yet. I just hope they don’t go with Durbin/Madson, the bullpen needs both of them, especially with Gordon apparently not able to pitch as much.

Another name being thrown around is Burnett… assuming that we can’t sign Sabathia long term (I would be fine taking him as a rental but I’m probably in the minority), and we don’t want to give up the farm for Harden (and I’m not the least bit excited about Harang and Bedard), I’m wondering what it would take to land Burnett… thoughts?

I don’t think Burnett makes this team that much better. I’d rather stick with what we have in prospects and hope they turn out decent, instead of trade a lot for Burnett and clear out the farm for an overrated pitcher

Im actually now saying. dont clear the farm for ANYONE! they cant afford to. they need marson and golson and those guy sto be players on the roster next year.

if you can package myers with a few B prospects that we can afford to lose then im ok with thtat

I wouldn’t be willing to part with Carrasco but they have been really keeping him close to the teet… at some point, he has to show some progress or someone has to be held accountable (why isn’t he moving forward). Golson won’t start for another year…

Burnett hasn’t been awful this year (108 k’s). I would rather rent Sabathia but it’s going to cost you a lot more with no hope of any future benefit. If you take away a few terrible outings, Burnett has been alright. In 8 of his last 10 starts, he has given up 3 ER or less. He needs to improve his WHIP but he can get himself out of a jam because he strikes guys out. I wouldn’t mind Burnett if we can keep Carrasco and Golson (they can have Donald and Benson… would have to think about Myers).

kreis benson has no value. NO team wanted him. its better to just keep him around hte minors thsi year and hope he can contribute somehow next year

Geoff, was it you that said “blow up the team”.. “they are not contenders”… call up the those prospects? Makes me wonder about you. Or were you just blowing off steam?

if they dont win it all. in this offseason they should rebuild. get rid of overpaid junk and make room for young players.

My whole thing is that you are paying people regardless of their production… so if you would be better with TJ BOHN over Taguchi.. then make that move… Manuel is loyal to his guys though and until/unless Taguchi starts hurting the team, I cant see them making that move

TC…Golson is hitting close to .300. He’s like Pedro Cerano though and can only hit fast balls and he strikes out a lot. He strikes out like Howard does and walks less, so it’s pretty bad. You don’t want to just bring him up and let him sit on the bench and replace Taguchi. You want him to stay in the minors and develop so he can be a good player some day.