Report: Bedard Still On Radar; Garcia?
Posted by Tim Malcolm, Tue, July 15, 2008 11:41 AM | Comments: 44
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More from Joel Sherman, who’s busy as a bee this All-Star weekend:
He says the Phillies are still heavily considering Erik Bedard. According to Sherman, a scout says the Phils aren’t put off by Bedard’s injury. Then Sherman writes an interesting spin:
Gillick has an exemplary reputation. But it would be strange to see the Phillies deal prospects that Gillick is extremely knowledgeable about to the Mariners, and then have Gillick become a top Seattle executive. In that case, Gillick would essentially be trading prospects to Gillick and, perhaps, speeding up the rebuilding process for devastated Seattle.
Hey, if Gillick likes Carlos Carrasco and Lou Marson and knows he’s taking over the Mariners next season, wouldn’t you think he might want to stock them up for the future? Isn’t this really, really wrong?
Sherman also reports, and hold your breath, that the Phils are looking at Freddy Garcia.
Garcia was 1-5 with a 5.90 ERA with the Phils last season, before succumbing to a shoulder injury and wasting the Phils of Gavin Floyd and Gio Gonzalez. Floyd, as we know, is 10-5 with a 3.63 ERA this season for the White Sox, and twice came close to throwing no-hitters.
Posts: 0 MS
i’m fine with them going after Freddy Garcia.
Posted: 11:58 AM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 TJ
What can we lose if we get Garcia at this point, I know he lost us Gavin and Gio before but really nothing bad can happen getting him now. Can’t be much worse than Eaton right?
Posted: 11:58 AM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
I think Garcia should come here and pitch the rest of the season for free since he fucked us. Also, I don’t think Gillick would give up Marson or Carrasco for Bedard. I don’t think the ownership would let him. I’m sure they’re monitoring his actions with the M’s.
Posted: 11:58 AM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 TJ
and Phuck Gillick if he pulls the trigger for Bedard.
Posted: 11:59 AM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
Garcia should be forced to come back. Theyd better be, but most of the owners dont know #### about baseball. montgomery should know, but if gillick does that we should file a grievance with MLB.
Dont worry, bedard is off the block. hell fet traded at the winter meetings.
Posted: 12:00 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T.
Not only should we file a grievance against Gillick if he stockpiles the Mariners, but we should file one against the White Sox for sending us damaged goods last year — and no, Tad Iguchi didn’t make up for it. Gillick is such a piece of shit though, it’s equally his fault for not correctly examining Garcia – but whatever, that’s over.
Posted: 12:19 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T.
On another note, here’s a clearer video of Utley’s “Fuck you”:
http://www.philebrity.com/2008/07/14/breaking-chase-utley-to-ny-home-run-derby-fans-fuck-you/
Posted: 12:19 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 RK
Garcia should offer his services to the Philles on the cheap for the rest of the season problem is the guy has not pitched in a long time, but cant be worse then Eaton
Posted: 12:46 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
They wont even be able to get garcia because 15 teams are after him.
yeah i really do hate gillick. he does something good once in a while but most of his moves are horrible.
Posted: 12:52 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
like, this trade he makes could be horrible: he might even do something like trade carrasco and cardenas to the A’s for Joe Blanton.
That would be a horrible move, but I wouldnt put it past gillick.
you can get blanton but it ahs to be on the cheap
Posted: 12:54 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Geoff.. honestly.. Lidge and Burnett for Bourn, Geary, and Costanzo was a freakin steal….. a GREAT trade by Gillick…. and he was the one that brought in Dobbs, Werth, C. Durbin, Feliz, …
Granted the jenkins, eaton, taguchi, etc.. aren’t great moves… but he gets the credit for being at the helm when this team made the post-season last year!!
Posted: 12:58 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Oh, the Iguchi trade Don M. Don’t forget that one.
Posted: 01:03 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
i feel with the lidge trade that its really obvious. if thats all ed wade wanted thats a no brainer. i attribute tha trade to ed wade being a retard more than a genius gillick move
Posted: 01:07 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 dan
Don, too bad it was Bruntlett and Lidge,and not Burnett and Lidge. I like it better the way you had it.
Posted: 01:08 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
yea, my bad dan… Bruntlett… but he played well when Rollins was out, and does a nice job as a bench player.
I think Gillick is one hell of a GM, who wins wherever he goes… and although not every move he makes is a good one, the majority of them are.
Well maybe it was Ed Wade being a retard, but then still give credit to Gillick for being the GM that got that trade done before other teams pushed for Lidge
Posted: 01:14 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
Sure he did a nice job not screwing up the lidge deal.
You gotta love how ed wade gets right in there and screws up thigns right away. he wasted no time at all. then he gets tejada only to fin dout tejada is actually like 58 years old instead of 32
Posted: 01:16 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
whats funny is jose contreras is actually liek 50 or something
Posted: 01:16 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
The funniest thing ive seen in a while is that Jose Lima… remember him… he’s pitching for the Camden Riversharks or something, and he got ROCKED the other day
Posted: 01:19 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
haha. i hadnt heard about that.
Posted: 01:21 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Rob E.
I am on the Bring Back JOE TABLE train. or the “Hey at least it aint Gordon” train. Also do the phillies have any true Power prospects. I cant seem to think of one.
Posted: 01:26 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
power hitters? i dont think so. thats why the indians went for the matt laporta thing.
Posted: 01:27 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 tom
why is gillick suddenly a bad gm? why no faith in him? all his during the season moves have been good ones (moyer and loshe top the list). you’re not going to bat 1.000 on guys you sign (jenkins, taguchi) but he has no control over them sucking. garcia didn’t work out and his shoulder should’ve had red flags all over it, but you can’t honestly tell me floyd was ever going to work out in philadelphia. he is the exact opposite kind of personality of guys who succeed for the phillies, and manuel etc had already gone a ways to screw him over when he was with the team. let’s get over the one glaringly bad move and acknowledge that gillick has done a good job while he’s been here.
Posted: 01:43 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
adam eaton, geoff jenkins, so taguchi, freddy garcia, letting rowand leave without replacing him, letting lohse leave, signing jose mesa, signing rudy seanez, antonio alfonseca, carlos ruiz still being the catcher, rod barajas, wes helms, am i leaving out anyone?
Posted: 01:51 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Jose Mesa and Anotnio Alfonseca were good for this team last year.
Seanez has helped more than he’s hurt this year…
Ruiz has the lowest thrown-to ERA in the NL.. or the MLB… but I know its at least the lowest in the National League.
Rowand got a MONSTER contract from the Giants, and we would have bashed Gillick if he offered anything close to that…. Lohse ain’t Cy Young.. and they should have tried to get him for a year, but they already burned their bridge saying that he wasn’t that good, when Lohse was asking for $40M over 4 years
His good moves FAR outwrigh his bad ones. Did he turn you down for an autograph or something Geoff… something is making you seriously HATE this guy for no reason..
Posted: 01:56 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
Because this team is so far from being a legitimate WS team and the guy ASSES around and allows other teams to walk all over him.
my labrador retriever understands that getting brad lidge and signing him to an extension was critical to the success of this team. yes, my dog watches baseball because he can see it well on the hdtv. he probably understands it better than some of the phillies owners actually.
this guy needs to show me hes capable of making the move that puts this team over the top. the lidge move got them closer but then rowands departure took them a step back. so now theyre almost the same team last year except their division is worse so they appear to be better.
what gillick does NOW until the deadline is what will define his legacy for me.
Posted: 02:07 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
the lidge deal was great. tad iguchi was critical last year.
jose mesa was a total gas can last year who had one good game where he went 2 scoreless innings. alfonseca had liek one or two good outings but thats why those guys arent even on an mlb team. if they are i am now aware of it. lohse was key down the stretch last year and they let him go for a variety of reasons, not all of them gillicks fault.
Posted: 02:09 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
WTF are you talking about?? which teams are walking all over him… there aren’t a whole lot of options out there.. and to me, his getting us better in 06, and then to the postseason last year is his legacy..
If getting Lidge was such a no-brainer.. every team would have been knocking down the doors to get him… most teams …and most phillies fans… thought that Lidge was done as a closer, and when he had bad knees early this year, people were knocking Gillick then too..
Posted: 02:11 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
i was not knocking gillick. i allowed lidge to get a fair chance and was excited that they got him. then they go and shove myers down our throats like hes the answer and hes clearly not.
Posted: 02:13 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
not knocking him abou tlidge
Posted: 02:13 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
the cubs and brewes just rolled right in and got the best pieces on the market and he just sat there. either one of those pieces, reasons and excuses aside, wouldhave taken us to the top of the NL. now the guy sleft are guys taht arent magic solutions that will dominate liek either of those two. these are guys that all come with cautions appended to them and require bullpen and offensive moves to add to the value.
bad…
Posted: 02:15 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Fat-Alfonseca had a bunch of saves when Gordon was out and Myers was hurt too… he burned out by the end of the year, but he helped keep us going for a good stretch.
Mesa was a mop-op guy that they needed because everyone in their bullpen was spent or injured at one point last season..
And for someone who knows his stuff… I can’t believe that you even brought up Rowand, because you know he wanted to be a free agent, and you know the Giants outbid themselves for Rowand.. nobody else was anywhere near what they offered him.
Posted: 02:16 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Niether Sabathia or Harden guarantee anything.. the only thing they would have done is cleared-out our already thin farm system..
Sabathia is def testing the free agent market this year, so it would have been dumb to sell-out your top prospects for a rental player that can walk
Posted: 02:19 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 J-Man
They should bring Garcia back he’ll be cheap and he owes this team a few more wins.
Posted: 02:22 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
harden was the guy they needed. i am willing to make the call right now that harden wont get hurt this year again.
Posted: 02:26 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Well is that worth risking your top-prospects for ?? The Cubs didn’t need him, but are better with him. If he doesn’t stay healthy, they are still nasty… if we traded for him, and he got hurt… we would be screwed for a few years to follow.
He’s been on the DL 6 times in 6 years!!! It would not have been a smart move to make.
Posted: 02:34 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Elijah Dukes
Garcia has a horrible attitude and is a clubhouse cancer.
Posted: 02:38 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
Hell be fine now, watch. Unless teh Cubs curse kicks in and he slips on a banana peel 2 horus before game 1 of the world series.
Posted: 03:08 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Gary B
If the Phillies take Freddy “Ten Million per win” Garcia back this year I will be seriously dissapointed in the team and GM for their udder lack of intelligence.
Posted: 04:03 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 chris m
ISNT THIS TEAM AT THE SAME PIONT WITH GILLICK AS WE WERE WITH wade? wade had us in the playoff hunt for a few years and was a game or two away thosse couple years and gillick got us in and out of the playoffs… big upgrade? look at the guys wade drafted. gillicks prosepects? well we havnt really seen yet since most of them our still works in porogress. is gillick going to leave this team in better shape then he got it? not really. farm is weak. maybe on the lidge standpiont but we didnt sign him for cheap either. so i base gillick on how hes bout to leave us since we didnt win the WS with him…. any better? you decide
Posted: 04:27 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
Hes marginally better than wade. wade had a better development system and gillick made a few better trades. i think they might wash out actually. theyre definitely mostly better with gillick but not light years better.
Posted: 04:31 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Gary B
If we get screwed at the trade deadline this year I’m calling in Shawn Chacon to take care of Gillick like he did Wade!
Posted: 05:32 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Joel EeriePA
I’d be OK with Garcia coming back. There is the feeling of unfinished business, and as everyone has said- He can’t really do much worse the Eaton. The thing is you know he has the ability, he was 14-8 in ’05, and 17-9 in ’06, that’s no accident. The chops are there, the question is can he get back in the saddle? I would prefer to take that chance and keep our farm system intact then drain our resources for a band-aid.
Also, about Loshe/Gillick- Didn’t the Phils offer him more then what he’s making with the Cards? To me it seemed Loshe was over-valuing himself, and paid the price in the end.
Posted: 05:35 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 MS
i think there is no chance that Freddy G signs with the Phils.
Posted: 05:59 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Lewisauce
If this article is correct, a dozen teams are interested in Garcia. There is NO SHOT IN HELL he comes here because he feels like he “owes” us something. Anyone who thinks that is a possibility is deluded. Garcia will go to the highest bidder.
The Garcia debacle is squarely on Gillick’s shoulders. I’d read last year that the Phils didn’t even require a physical to make the trade happen. And if that’s wrong, and they did give him a physical, then they employed the wrong doctors which is also on Gillick’s shoulders.
As for Gavin Floyd, how can anyone say he had no chance in Philly? Can you predict the future? (If so, you and me are going to the track today.) There is a strong chance that Floyd would have worked his stuff out here and would be our No. 2 right now.
I’m not in the “Gillick is a pile of shit” camp. But he has not impressed me. He has made too many mistakes: Garcia, Eaton, not going back to Lohse with a revised offer at the end of the spring, So Taguchi, WES HELMS (no one had mentioned that one yet), Rod Barrajas, failing to get a starter before this season began, getting jack shit in exchange for Bobby Abreu (who is the Yankees starting right fielder), passing on Joe Borowski (ok he sucks this year, and he wasn’t that great a closer last year, but we so desperately needed bullpen help last year that he would have worked for one season as a closer) … the list goes on.
His successes: Moyer, Tad Iguchi, Feliz, Lidge, Lohse (as a rental), signing Utley long-term … the column isn’t long.
Posted: 12:02 PM on July 16, 2008