Comments on: Update: Mahay Trade ‘Not Close’

By: scot

scot — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:52:30 +0000

i actually read metsblog every day. i don’t think it’s terrible outside of the comments section.

By: Geoff

Geoff — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:50:03 +0000

metsblog is the crummiest blog ive ever seen. its not even worth commenting on.

By: Don M

Don M — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:45:52 +0000

scot.. its just people getting carried away and not being able to look past the fact that the guys we traded recently weren’t coming up the major league level anytime soon because they had All-Stars and MVPs in their positions, AND.. they can’t see that the recent pitching additions, while not BLOCKBUSTER enough for some fans, do in fact make this team better without mortgaging the future.

By: Don M

Don M — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:43:52 +0000

Is someone paying Geoff $1.00 for every time he mentions “secret trades” on here today??

AND… is Tim secretly trying to trade Geoff to METSBLOG ???

“MEtsR#1″ has some potential, as does “david” from the other day.

By: scot

scot — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:41:59 +0000

seriously, is the only argument against mahay his age? looking at his stats, i don’t give a damn if the guy is 60 years old. if he matches comes close to matching those numbers for the Phils this year (and next, as he’s under contract) this is a very good and necessary trade for the phils.

By: Don M

Don M — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:41:34 +0000

The Phillies have been DESPERATE for a legit 3b prospect for a few years.. they thought they had one in Costanzo.. he got traded.. obviously they knew that Donald wasn’t moving up at SS.. If he was going to one day play 3b, wouldn’t they have been playing him there this year??

Tim… the past week, I keep getting shut out of here for lengths of time with that WORDPRESS ERROR or whatever it is.. any idea what thats about or why that happens?

By: Geoff

Geoff — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:38:03 +0000

Cardenas has value, but the other two guys didnt. even outman, reliever prospects are strange anyway. their either ready to come up like imediately or they get bounced around.

By: Doug

Doug — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:14:25 +0000

The point that people tend to be making on here is this, “It’s fine to trade these players away for so-so returns because their position is ‘blocked’ within our system by guys like Utley and Rollins.”

Value has nothing to do with the Phillies’ needs. Just because we aren’t in need of a player at a given position doesn’t diminish his value unless there are 29 other teams who also don’t have a need at that position (never).

A near-majors-ready player at any position is a valued quantity and shouldn’t be traded away hastily. I’m not saying Mahay isn’t worth it b/c I’m not intimately familiar with him and his numbers do look good.

I just disagree with the reasoning and justification some folks are using for it.

By: Richie Allen

Richie Allen — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:53:01 +0000

I think we do need a secret trade to dump Myers…SSSHHHHHHH,dont tell anybody….

By: rob

rob — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:52:26 +0000

If this trade does not go down. This could potentially open the door for a Howard trade in the winter, and moving Utley to first, then Donald to 2nd.

Unfortuantely the Phils are still stuck with Eaton and Jenkins next year. At least Myers could be a little easier to move.

By: Richie Allen

Richie Allen — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:33:05 +0000

Well we have until 12 on Thursday so I guess the rumors will start flying now..The Mahay rumor had everyone going..Manny was a good one …..Everyone is so concerned with our prospects,..lets get help now..we’re only 1/2 game out.

By: Vernon Dozier

Vernon Dozier — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:20:45 +0000

How does trading a 23 year old for a 37 year old not fall under the “mortgaging the future” category? Whether or not we project a minor league player to have his path to the big leagues blocked, it’s still a risky move. I’m not a fan of this proposed deal, and in 95% of the moves Gillick has made during his tenure. The key players on this team are still the players that Fast Eddie left him.

By: Phil

Phil — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:13:13 +0000

You probably read Metsblog to post about how bad Hamels is on it.

By: Tim Malcolm

Tim Malcolm — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:56:39 +0000

Looks like just some server troubles, probably due to high volume.

By: Chase Mutley

Chase Mutley — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:54:14 +0000

Matt, I respect your argument but I never said they would be starting from scratch. I said that this team is going to look different and in 2010. We *might* not even be in it in 2010 so how would that “stud” third baseman help us then. Sure, we very well *might* be in it in two years but the truth is we ARE in it right now, a lefty out of the bullpen is one of our weaknesses, so we might as well make a push for it.

We’re likely losing one of our best hitters at the end of this year. We likely won’t have Howard in 2010. You might be very right, but it does us little good now.

By: J-Man

J-Man — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:53:34 +0000

Pull the plug on this trade and do it Gillick…I don’t mind trading Donald it’s not like he’s going to see the majors because J-Roll is blocking him from coming up and J-Rolls not going anywhere anytime soon.

By: Tim Malcolm

Tim Malcolm — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:28:52 +0000

Truth is, Donald was coming up in September and would be ready for a 25-man roster by Opening Day 2009. Problem is he doesn’t exactly have 3B range and is much more apt as a shortstop or second baseman. He’s blocked. They would’ve had to trade Donald, and now is a good time considering his value is high (almost ready to contribute, Olympic player).

Matt – In general a lot of Phils fans don’t know much about the farm system. That’s OK. But it’s good to have some knowledge.

By: Matt

Matt — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:28:52 +0000

Why would this team start from scratch if they didn’t win this year. Do you guys really think a situational lefty is going to get through the Cubs or Brewers this year?

I agree this move would help us get to the playoffs. I’m telling you, I’ve seen Donald play a lot this year, and watched Utley play in the minors, and this guy has a lot of the same characteristics. An IF of Howard, Utley, Rollins, and Donald would be awesome in late 2009 / early 2010.

If he was part of a piece of the puzzle to get us a legitimate SP like Holliday, or someone else, I’d be more open to it. I’m just not willing to trade a future starting 3B (I’m not sure why nobody can really get that through their head, he’s not roadblocked), for a LOOG.

By: Phil

Phil — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:28:52 +0000

Well, considering that Cardenas was looked at as one of our best prospects, and teams called Billy Beane about him immediately after acquiring him has to say something.

By: Matt

Matt — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:25:47 +0000

Why would this team start from scratch if they didn’t win this year. Do you guys really think a situational lefty is going to get through the Cubs or Brewers this year?