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Why would they want Victorino? They have a much better center fielder.

I dont even want this guy, hes not hitting and hes an asshole. And he has bad knees. IF you get him, and have burrell on the other side, you NEED victorinos speed.

If they could do the trade by including Brett Myers and Adam Eaton, I’d say go for it.

victorinos fast, but i dont know if even he is that fast. willy taveras IS that fast though. but tahts how fast youd have to be because those two (burrell/manny) are like statues out there. burrell does catch everything he can get too though. manny doesnt even try to do that.

The Phillies need to resign Pat Burrell and be done with all of this. If they could get Matt Holliday that would be one thing, but Manny Ramirez and his baggage? Sure he would be a perfect fit in our lineup, but he is another fielding liability in left field and could be a clubhouse cancer here no matter how well he and Charlie got along in Cleveland.

I of course am more concerned about him going to the Mets but do they have the bargaining chips to get him?

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No thank you. His on the field production does not out weigh the BS he produces off the field.

Why does Victorino have to go? The Red Sox need a new SS soon. I figure they’d want one of our MI propsects before Victorino. Has anyone said that Victorino would have to be in the deal? If so thats an easy deal breaker.

On the record. I dont want Manny. He’s not a Philly guy.

If Ramirez is hitting on our team against the Rockies last playoffs, maybe we still lose the series, but we don’t get swept.

Why is God’s name would anyone want Manny on this team? I was shocked at all the morons calling into WIP this morning and last night saying what a great improvement he would be on Burrell (who is having the best year of his career). Now I know expecting any kind of intelligence from the average dope that calls into WIP in dumb in the first place, but are they seriously watching the Phillies? Burrell is one of the few that has had any sort of consistancy on this team and you want to get rid of him and replace him with a guy with a known bad attitude who has been dogging more plays that Rollins? WHAT’S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!

I don’t want Manny anywhere near the Bank!

I agree that there’s no way the team trades for him – the baggage and price tag are just too much. Plus they shouldn’t really give up what the Sox would be looking for (young pitchers and perhaps Donald).

However, if the Red Sox don’t pick up his option – which there is some but not a great chance of happening – I think there’s a big chance that they go for him in FA and let Burrell, Gordon and perhaps Moyer go and trade away some pitcher salary (Myers and Eaton). I can see them paying Manny about 15-18 mill for 2 or 3 years with the money they save by bringing up young guys.

He and Pat cannot be on the same team together – they are too similar. Manny’s more consistent at the plate and Pat’s more consistent in the field and lockerroom. For this year’s team, Pat’s one of the guys that keep people together and losing him in the middle of the season would be too much upheaval. Over the offseason, when they determine a new personality it something that could work for all involved.

Can anyone actually work out how we get Manny and Burrell on the field at the same time?

Just to clarify a couple of the points above, Manny’s not signing anywhere for 15-18 considering the team options in his contract at 20 are considered to be under market value for him, Burrell’s not signing for 10 for that same reason.

Id give burrell 16mm per year. im so sick of people worrying about the ownerships money and budget. why do you care about their budget? its THIER money, which is actually OUR money. so we can go ahead and say: NO, you WILL resign burrel AND go spend 10-18mm on a top starter (ben sheets) and if you fail to do that then they face the wrath.

Ramirez would play RF…

This whole thing started in the NY POST.. I think its their way of putting pressure on the Mets to go out and get him so the Phillies don’t …

I think you need a raul ibanez/aaron rowand type of persionality who can hit consistently. this locker room needs to be straightened out and be told to grow up. with ramirez it would degenerate rapidly. you think jimmy rollins is going to get along with him? rollins already wont talk to his teammates or the media because hes an asshole now. do you really want the single biggest asshole in all of professional sports on your team?

Just a thought..

That whole T.O. mess ….and all contract negotiations… how and why do we care about this stuff? i HATED t.o. when all that stuff was going down, but wouldn’t you LOVE to have him on your team again?

Ramirez is a jackoff but I would LOVE to have him hitting in the middle of our lineup. Rollins, Utley, Ramirez, Howard, Burrell, Victorino, Feliz, Ruiz, SP- Adam Eaton.

Ramirez is widely considered one of the best hitters in baseball over the past decade+

ditto

I agree Phil, Manny cannot play right field. Also, I think Pat vs. Manny in left field is a wash.

Pat Burrell > Manny Ramirez as a team player.

Pat really likes playing for the Phillies and doesn’t want to leave. If this deal went down, Pat would have to go. Does Manny make the Phillies a better team than Pat Burrell? I don’t think so at this point given his baggage. Even his offensive numbers are a wash compared to Pat Burrell 2008.

Last year, I would have jumped on a deal getting Manny, but not this year.

With Burrell in right? Opposing hitters will just put the ball into the corner outfield spots at every opportunity.

Honestly.. anyone that would rather have Pat Burrell over Manny Ramirez is on crack.

I understand all the crap about the locker room… but I really don’t know why we care so much about that stuff.. I just want to see this team beat the FREAKIN NY MUTS

I agree Don…….. seriously, Greg V was up all night smoking crack and listening to WIP, twitching and blinking.

I expect my 74 year old 6th grade math teacher to hate the idea of Manny Ramirez playing on the Phillies. But obsessives like us on a message board who just want a winner? I’ll take a bad teammate with 2 rings any day.

I don’t think the Sox are going to ask for anything, because nobody is interested… they all know his contract sucks and he’s a headcase.. so nobody is going to give up TOP talent to get him.. I really think he stays put though until the offseason.. and then he goes the Yankees…cause he’s dramatic and wants to be on SportsCenter more.

Jason Bay was on ‘roids and thats why he doesn’t hit bombs anymore.. I think they’re going to make an effort to sign Burrell, but they won’t go more than 3 years- $30 million… and some AL team will offer 4-$50M, or 5-$60M to play outfield, and then be a DH… Currently I would trade the entire roster for Ryan Braun and just let him play teams 9-on-1 … he’s going to win the MVP this year cause the BrewCrew is making the playoffs and he’s nasty

And Manny Ramirez with bad knees and his selfish ways is not going to help the Phillies do that anymore than Pat Burrell in 2008.

Pat Burrell throughout his career has owned the Mets and even better, he’s owned Billy “The Rat” Wagner. I’d be hard pressed to think of any other player I’d rather have batting in the 9th inning with a 1-run deficit against “The Rat”.

The Bucs really made a bad move, they wanted two comparible 1st round prospects for Marte alone and came up massively short for both guys because they don’t want to pay Nady.