Report: Phils Pursuing AJ Burnett
Posted by Tim Malcolm, Fri, July 11, 2008 01:57 AM | Comments: 54
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Jeff Blair of the Globe and Mail out of Toronto writes in his blog the Phillies are looking very hard at Toronto starter AJ Burnett. The top prizes of the market — CC Sabathia and Rich Harden — are off the board, and Erik Bedard has hit the DL. Burnett would be the logical choice for the Phils.
Blair writes:
“Still, the Phillies are a logical suitor. First, both organizations are familiar with each other’s minor league systems since the proximity of spring training and minor league facilities makes it easy to schedule games in the spring. Second, the Phillies believe that their proximity to Burnett’s off-season home in the suburbs of Baltimore makes it more likely that Burnett might not opt out of the final two years of his contract, in effect making him more than a rental player. Burnett has two more years on his contract after this season, worth $12 million per year, and that’s actually below market-value considering the absurd price for pitching. The Blue Jays, rest assured, will try to sell the Phillies on that notion since it would increase Burnett’s value.”
According to Blair, the Blue Jays are very interested in Greg Golson. They would want one of Golson, Carlos Carrasco or Lou Marson included in a deal, along with other players such as Jason Donald and Brad Harman.
Posts: 0 clicheguevara
Let them take Golson, but only if we will be able to hold onto Burnett
Posted: 02:37 AM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T.
Give em Golson first, then Carrasco – I want Marson up here next year to replace GIDP.
Posted: 07:48 AM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 MS
give them golson, donald, harman and take our chances on keeping him. i’m fine with that.
if howard is really heating up, adding a starting pitcher would make a statement.
Posted: 08:27 AM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T.
To be honest, I think Carrasco is overrated – if he’s the name everyone is calling, ship him away.
Posted: 08:44 AM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T.
Trading inside the division is often rare – but if we’re selling a big name guy, the Nationals farm system is where to look – I’m telling you right now.
Posted: 08:46 AM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 Griffin
NO!!!!
Burnett is not even good and he’s owe $24 million after this season. Why should we give up anything for him. Please no, it would be a HUGE mistake. How can this organization be too cheap to sign Lohse for one year and yet be willing to waste $24 million on Burnett and have to give up top prospects?!!
Avoid this duche.
Posted: 08:48 AM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
They didnt get lohse because they didnt give him the 4 years he wanted. lohse, at the time, wouldve taken 4 years 30mm but they didnt offer that.
if carrasco and marson are untouchable then you go bastardo/savery golson, lesser prospect. and you make sure that douche doesnt opt out after the season.
Posted: 08:54 AM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 Griffin
He’s got a 5.23 ERA and a 1.51 WHIP. I don’t care that he strikes out alot of guys, he puts alot of guys on base as well.
He’s thrown over 173 innings only TWICE in his career. He’s not good and not durable and not cheap. If we want to panic, then let’s trade them the farm, but if he gets traded, he’s going to want a team to extend his contract. yuck.
Posted: 08:59 AM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 pb
I’d like to expand the deal for it to include Rios. I would make Werth the right handed bat and runner off the bench again. Then next season you don’t need to resign Pat the Bat and would have an outfield of Vic in CF Rios in RF and the platoon of Werth/Jenkins would slide over to LF.
Posted: 10:03 AM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
RIOS just signed a huge, long contract extension. he is not going anywehere and the phillies dont have enough to get him. id be very surprised if theyd be able to swing that.
Posted: 10:03 AM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 pb
Yeah I know they resigned him but Rios is having a down year and Wells contract is about to explode. 10M next year, 21M in 2010, 23M in 2011, 21M in 2012, 21M and 2013. There best hitting prospect is Tavis Snyder who I believe is an OF but maybe more of a DH.
Posted: 10:20 AM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 Fran
Who ever said we were too cheap to sign loshe is wrong. Philadelphia didnt let go of loshe. Loshe let go of philadelphia
Posted: 11:03 AM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
they didnt give lohse the years he wanted. remeber that it was all about years. he wanted 4 or 5 years (boras) and gillick doesnt do more than 3.
Posted: 11:06 AM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
gillick offered burrell 2 years 20mm, thats an insult
Posted: 11:06 AM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 dan
where did you hear that
Posted: 11:28 AM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
I read it too, I forget where. Maybe mlbtraderumors.com It is a disgrace. Offer the guy 5 years $40 million 1st.
Posted: 11:32 AM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 Rob E.
I just want to throw this out there.
I know we need another frontline starter but would anyone really object to somehow taking on a bad contract in order to jettison Eaton and singing back Moyer.
Like Pudge for Eaton and GIDP. We lose gain 5 million in payroll but Pudge can walk at the end of the season and we get draft picks. the Tigers are desperate for pitching. Their farm system has nothing really coming down the pipe in the next 2 years.
Posted: 11:41 AM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
If Pudge becomes a free agent at the end of the season and marson is ready next season. then taht is an awesome move. will detroit do it? dunno.
ill let him walk and take the draft picks. hes old anyway. im ok with that. great suggestion rob e. were basically freeing up 8mm next year to be used on more productive people than eaton.
moyer wont go anywhere though. but im all for unloading eatons contract and renting a veteran catcher. maybe you have to give detroit someone like jaramillo or a mid-level prospect to sweeten it up a bit.
will detroit go for that? dunno.
Posted: 12:04 PM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
unloading eatons contract THIS season should be a priority though after you address your main needs
Posted: 12:05 PM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
mlb.com has said Eaton is on the trade block. Eaton is having a decent year, a better year than Burnett actually. I think that Eaton can be moved.
Posted: 12:09 PM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
when did they write that story? recently? id like to read..
Posted: 12:15 PM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
thats good lunchtime reading material
Posted: 12:15 PM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 tom
excuse me? 5 years 40$milion for pat burrell? i love pat as much as the next guy but this is about fiscal responsibility. the reason why wade was such a bad GM was that he handed humongous contracts to Burrell and Abreu that at the time looked great… but since neither player became a superstar hampered the team for years because of their size and inability to move them. this is about as good as burrell can get, you do not want burrell 5 years from now on the hook for 10-12$million (assuming they backload it which they probably would).
the most overrated prospect we’ve got right now is golson, if the jays are high on him why not sell high and take a risk with burnett. it’s no secret he hasn’t been happy in toronto this year and his numbers up to this year stack up just fine. would i rather have bedard? yes. but if burnett is coming cheap enough he’s worth a shot because we’ve still got carasco and happ as september callups if need be.
Posted: 12:43 PM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 PhilliesDiary
Please no Burnett!! Has anyone seriously looked at his numbers?
Posted: 12:45 PM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 go utley
Too high ERA
Posted: 02:44 PM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 Pete
Burnett is fine, so long as Golson is the best guy we give up. Trading for Bedard is a bad, bad idea. Burnett’s numbers are much better than Bedard’s, who, I repeat, has pitched one great year in his entire career and otherwise is completely average.
Posted: 03:29 PM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 philsphan
I wouldn’t mind having Burnett, as long as you don’t have to give up Carrasco, Marson, or Donald for him. I would offer Golson, Harman, and another mid/low level prospect (pitcher) for Burnett. If Roy Halladay was available I would give up Carrasco, Golson, and Donald for him.
Posted: 05:56 PM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Whynot trade Donald?
Posted: 06:00 PM on July 11, 2008
Posts: 0 J-Man
I say do a trade for Burnett if we’re not giving up Marson or Carrasco…I wouldn’t mind dealing Golson in the trade…If Burnett comes to the Phils he’ll be reunited with his pitching coach from the Marlins Rich Dubee,so maybe that’ll be off for him.
Posted: 03:22 AM on July 12, 2008
Posts: 0 steve
You have to give up Donald in a trade for Burnett. It’s no secret that the Jays want a SS, and Keith Law recently wrote that Jason Donald is a solid SS prospect who will be major league ready in 2009. He’ll undoubtedly be traded. The big stumbling block has been the Phillies unwillingness to trade Golson, Marson, or Carrasco in the deal. I understand Marson and Carrasco, but you have to deal Golson and Donald. I’ve also heard the Phillies wouldn’t include Marson or Carrasco in their deal for C.C. Sabathia, which is ludicris if it’s true…
Posted: 11:20 AM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Not insane at all Steve. Carrasco looks like Josh Beckett and Marson is a future all-star.
Posted: 11:30 AM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Can we stop with the Carlos Carrasco- Josh Beckett comparisons ??? Im not sure where they got started, but its insane.. Carrasco projects as a #3 pitcher, with his ceiling projected as a #2. Beckett is, at times, one of the best pitchers in baseball
Posted: 11:38 AM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
Its the way his throws. When you say Josh Beckett you say thats the potential thats what he reminds you of. it doesnt mean thats what he is or what he will be.
Posted: 11:40 AM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Carrasco is a long ways away from being a top pitcher in the Majors. He’s carrying a pretty high ERA…he gives up about a hit per inning.. He’s good, but he’s not GOD
Josh Beckett throws HIGH HEAT at peope’s chins… Carrasco throws like 92mph… there deliveries really aren’t that similar…
Maybe Im just knit-picking but I can’t let you get away with saying Myers performance at AA was crappy, because it was against AA hitters, and against MLB hitters it would have been 6-7 ER…. But then say that Carrasco, who has a high ERA in AA would be a stud pitcher at the big league level this year or next…
Posted: 11:46 AM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
Carrasco tops out at 96.
Posted: 11:47 AM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
I think he was around #50 in terms of overall prospects in baseball… that was before the season started, I don’t know if that gets updated now that Jay Bruce, Ellsbury, Longoria, etc are mlb regulars..
I want them to keep Carrasco, because I think he’s going to be solid, but I think its going to take a while before he has a real impact
Posted: 11:47 AM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
“TOPS OUT AT” … he was regularly hitting 90-92, and I think i saw 94 once in his inning at the futures game. Now stretch him out a little and maybe in the 3rd, 4th innings he hits 94 regularly, which ain’t shabby… but he’s no Josh Beckett. I’d sell my soul to have Josh Beckett pitching on this team right now with Hamels as the #2
Posted: 11:50 AM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 steve
from what i’m gathering from Carrasco, he operates in the 90-92 range consistently and can dial up to about 96 if needed with control. The thing that’s holding him at AA seems to be his offspeed command. I didn’t get to watch the future’s game on TV, but I read that he didn’t throw a single off-speed pitch in the future’s game. I can’t help but wonder if that’s due to his shoulder tightness.
And I think the Phillies should have included Marson and Carrasco, or some combination of the two, in a deal for Sabathia. CC would have given the Phils a legitimate 1-2 punch, both of which would have been lefties. It would have sent a clear message to the clubhouse that the Phillies were going all out for the title this year and energized that clubhouse. (In my opinion)
I don’t know if I’d go for Burnett. I think I’d bring up Happ after the all-star break and see what the kid has instead of Eaton before we make a deal. I think we can afford to wait on Burnett, because as far as I know, Burnett really isn’t in demand by many other teams. I also couldn’t help but laugh at the Rockies asking for Carrasco or Marson for Fuentes. Gillick wouldn’t give them up for CC and the Rox think we’ll included them for a new set-up guy? Hilarious.
Posted: 11:52 AM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Josh Beckett is a great pitcher, but he’s not even top 10 in the AL. Josh Beckett’s greatness comes from his ability to come through in big games. He’s not as great as everyone thinks he is. He was projected as a #2 as well.
Posted: 11:54 AM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
he generally throws 90-93. good movement on the fastball, really good curveball when its working. but its his consistency and command he needs to fix.
If he can get his control down, then he will win 18 games at least once in his career. thats right.
Posted: 11:57 AM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
I heard the Brett Myers was going to 15 games once in his career… he got close… he won 14 games one season.
Josh Beckett was absolutely FILTHY last year, 20-7, with a 3.27 ERA… and is untouchable in the post-season
I’d like to know which 10 pitchers in the AL you want over Josh Beckett…
Posted: 12:01 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Okay, you’re right, I got a little carried away. But he’s not top 10 in the majors.
Posted: 12:06 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Who is? We’re talking if you are picking 10 pitchers that you want on your roster… and not like CLiff Lee because he’s having a good year so far… he was in AAA last year cause he was all over the place… so legit, which 10 pitchers do you want on your roster
Posted: 12:09 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Lincecum
Hamels
Volquez
Santana
Santana
Sabathia
Lackey
Jurrjens
Zambrano
Haren
Webb
Halladay
Marmol
King Felix
to name a few
Posted: 12:13 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 steve
haha i’m sorry. I thought for a second that I just read the names Marmol and Jurrjens…strange. let me get my glasses……..
….wtf!? Is that a typo?
Posted: 12:17 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
I think the definites are:
Brandon Webb, CC Sabathia, Johan Santana, Jake Peavy, Roy Halladay, Tim Lincecum, Josh Beckett, ……..
Hamels, Lackey, Zambrano, Harren are all in the discussion..
Marmol is a reliever… and if you would take Jurrjens and Felix Hernandez…and Hamels OVER Bekett… then you should be drug tested ASAP..
Posted: 12:19 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T.
I love Don’s drug testing requests. Hey Don, with everything we disagree on, what drug do you think I should be tested for?
Posted: 12:35 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
I meant to say Marcom not MArmol , my bad.
Posted: 12:36 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
And god I forgot Peavy because he plays for the fucking Padres. Harden and Sheets would be in duscussion if they weren’t injury risks. I’d take King Felix and Hamels over Beckett because of their age.
Posted: 12:37 PM on July 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Also, would take Jurrjens cause of his age. He has good stuff. He’s going to be a stud.
Posted: 12:38 PM on July 15, 2008