Trade Deadline Open Thread

Posted by Tim Malcolm, Thu, July 31, 2008 08:57 AM | Comments: 241

The Major League Baseball Non-Waiver Trade Deadline (all rights reserved) is about seven hours away.

I’ll turn it over to all of you — what would you like to see the Phillies do today, if anything at all?

Spin a deal for a left-handed reliever? And who? Jump all in and go after Manny Ramirez? Make one last push for Matt Holliday? Grab another starter? Maybe something different?

Go nuts. Be the GM.

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  • Posts: 0 Mike T.

    Huuuuuuuuuuuuuge move by the Marlins.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    I dont actually contradict myeself, my philosophy is i want them to win. thats what its always been.

    how id go about doing it may very from time to time, but no more or less than anyone else on here.

    you want to win now then you have to get desperate and give up prospects that youd normally always say are untouchable.

    otherwise, stand pat. now, theyre not even going to get arthur rhodes becaus eth emarlins got him. HAHAHA.

    ed snider: please buy the phillies so we dont have to deal with these pat gillick ruben amaro BOOTLICKERS.

  • Posts: 0 NEPA

    I’d rather make no move then give up a solid SP prospect for Rhodes.

  • Posts: 0 Nick

    I would love to see the phils get Roy Halladay. We can live with the catchers we have for now, so give up Marson, Happ, Donald and give up madson too.
    Then we can call up carrasco to the bullpen.

  • Posts: 0 Pete

    Greg – I wouldn’t mind seeing Perez back, especially since Taguchi (save for that double, which was huge) hasn’t done a thing and won’t get in games shorter than 12 innings, anyway.

    Maybe we try to pry Beltre away from Seattle?

  • Posts: 0 NEPA

    With 5 hours left til the deadline, I think we would have heard something by now if the Phils were making a huge move like that for Halladay. Plus, it’s the Phils, they don’t make moves like that.

  • Posts: 0 TJ

    We need to make a last run at Holliday and Halladay.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Also, ive ALWAYS said they will not win the WS this year and that their pitching isnt good enough. none of that has changed. you want to wrangle over what prospects they should or shouldnt trade? be my guest. their prospects theyre unknowns and they change all the time. so people opinions of them are going to change.

    if youre going to get on someone for that then youre a complete douchebag.

  • Posts: 0 Pete

    We are screwed. Manny I wasn’t worried about, but with Rhodes anchoring that bullpen, the Phils have no shot. SELL SELL SELL

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    that spoils the fun of posting on here.

  • Posts: 0 TJ

    Maybe we try to pry Beltre away from Seattle?

    Not a bad idea, but what happens when Feliz returns and we have Dobbs, Feliz, Bruntlett, Jenkins/Werth on the bench?

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    besides, when im pissed off, im still going to come on here and unleash an EXTREME rant.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Geoff, how are we supposed to pay attention when you post something every 30 seconds on here, and none of it flows at all..

    this is what you said:

    “even with an elite starter, youve seen this lineup against GOOD pitching. what happens? they get shutout. all the time. they need to figure out how to at least nickel and dime a run or two out of a good pitcher and they havent shown to be capable of that more than once or twice all year.

    you think theyre going to come close to scoring on cc sabathia?”

    Adding Pudge would not help what we need… you were pissed the other day when they were looking into Mahay (who has better number than Grabow and Ohman this year)… you don’t want them to add Arthur Rhodes, then you complain that they “aren’t even going to get rhodes because the marlins got him” … so forgive me for not being able to follow your ever-changing views

    I personally could care less if you do or don’t explain things to me.. but everytime you post something outlandish, expect to get called out on it… and I would expect everyone to do the same to me (as has happened in the past).. only I take the time to think about a response, and give my reasoning behind my opinions.

  • Posts: 0 Dennis

    Phillies aren’t even getting mention in any rumor on MLB.com or ESPN. Maybe we are being quiet so we can SHOCK the world! Haha not! Well at least we’re not getting Rhodes.

  • Posts: 0 Mark

    Well, the offense has been quite hot as of late. Chase is getting back on track, Victory has a 10 game hit streak going and also has been belting his fair share of home runs, and Ryan Howard has been getting those clutch base hits moreso than ever. I think he finally learned he doesn’t need to homer every at bat. That’s huge for him, takes a bunch of the pressure off his shoulders.

    What I’m concerned with right now is J-Roll’s motivation. Quite frankly, I’m wondering where it is? He’s doing O.K. this season but, it’s nothing like last season which pretty much put us over the top, well, that and having Rowand in the 6 spot. He hasn’t “WOW’d” me once yet this season (except maybe the Mets game but, still, that was one hit). I really hope the Phillies go out and get a solid bat to pick up for J-Roll’s lack of performance. Sadly, I dont believe we are going to win with our already established lineup.

    Unfortunately, GM Pat Gillick boggles my mind with his decisions. I respect the fact that he doesn’t want to deplete the farm system but, in order to get a proven player, your going to have to. By the looks of it, the Phillies have been struggling all season with their offense, and I have yet to hear one person say “the Phillies are, right now, playing their best ball”. All the players and management don’t believe they have reached their peak yet but, honestly, will they ever?

    It’s too far up in the air right now, in my eyes, if the Phillies have enough to not only win the NL East but go the distance in the playoffs. Again, while I respect Gillick’s decision looking out for our farm club I ask this: When will those farm players ever be used in the Bigs? It doesn’t seem that they’ll be up anytime soon, and to just keep them in case of injury is dumb. So, what I believe, is that the Phillies need to bare NO expense with the remaining few hours left till the trade deadline. They have ALMOST all of the pieces of the puzzle, they just need that one big piece in their lineup to allow them to destroy the mets and marlins and contend with AL power houses like the Sox, Yanks, Rays, and of course, the Angels.

    (Yes, I said the Yankees. They’ll make the playoffs with their latest trades. Now that’s a team that knows how to work the trades so they can acquire the players that could potentially help them get into the playoffs and into the Series this year.)

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    I will admit i was out of line about ron mahay. i was just shocked that the price of relievers is so high.

    ok fin eill be happy to get called out on it.

    pudge is an experienced veteran leader/bat. you could hit him higher in the order and hed fare better in the postseasn or down the stretch against real starting pitching. we all alreayd know about the pithcing and it shouldbnt have to go hashed out again.

    i dont want rhodes, never did, im just saying watch them not do anythign at all. they wont even make a bad move, let alone a good one.

    all of this is fairly obvious though. i will certaintly call you out whne you say something outlandish as well, you can count on that.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I understand that people are frustrated and want to make a big splash


    Why would Toronto want to give up the best pitcher in baseball for a bunch of prospects who didn’t rank in the top-50 in baseball heading into this season?

    Beltre is good, but Feliz is a Gold-Glove caliber 3rd baseman, who hasn’t hurt this team at the plate.

    Pudge would have looked nice in the 6 spot in the order, but it would have taken away from our bullpen, which we need to strengthen now that the season is coming to an end.

    As my man-crush (right Geoff?) Gillick said… “In our particular case, we have to play up to our potential. There are times this season we have played up to that potential, and there are other times we’ve played very inconsistently. I just think offensively and from a pitching standpoint we have to play consistently with not so many ups and downs and we’ll be fine.”

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    i would LOVE to be proven wrong and for pat gillick to pull of a masterful work of art trade. thatd maek us all feel better.

  • Posts: 0 Pete

    TJ – we cross that bridge when we get there. I wouldn’t mind having that bench at all. If need be, we try to clear someone through waivers and work a post-deadline trade. For the time being, I’m not very happy with a Dobbs/Bruntlett platoon at 3B. And if Jimmy or Chase need to sit a game, that means Dobbs and Bruntlett need to start right now, which hurts the offense and the defense.

    It really depends on whether the Phils think Feliz is going to be close to 100% when he comes off the DL

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Yea, call me out on stuff and then people can have actual, knowledgable baseball conversations and we can get away from the trade Howard for Lincecum type stuff, or where people just bash the orgainzation just because they feel like typing..

    Of the guys out there.. I think i’d like to get Mahay the most.. Fuentes costs too much.. Ohman is good against lefties.

    They COULD use a RH hitter, but outside of Jason Bay (whose price is also sky high) I don’t know who is realistically available.

    I just want to brace people for the fact that they probably aren’t going to do anything major.. AND… if their team would start playing consistent baseball, they should still be fine, and should still make the playoffs even without adding something crazy today

  • Posts: 0 Phil

    I’m surprised not one person on this thread mentioned that the cards are shopping Loshe…

  • Posts: 0 Mike T.

    I saw that – whatever. The phils won’t even try.

  • Posts: 0 Chase Mutley

    Well put, Don.

  • Posts: 0 Don M


    I don’t think anyone is especially excited about Dobbs/Bruntlett at 3b right now.. but the fact that we have them shows how deep we are.. some teams would kill for either of those guys if a starter went down.

    Dobbs is the BEST pinch hitter in baseball over the past 2 seasons.. and Bruntlett can play anywhere at anytime, which is crucial in an extra-inning game, or if someone gets hurt… both of which can happen and mean a lot to the win-column at the end of the season

  • Posts: 0 Pete

    Don – if Feliz weren’t hurt, Beltre wouldn’t make sense. As it is, though, do we really have any idea when he’ll be back? Dobbs/Bruntlett at third for the rest of August isn’t going to get it done.

    As for Toronto, they’d trade Halladay because their team is going NOWHERE as currently put together and they need to build through prospects. Their entire infield stinks, and after Doc and Burnett their pitching isn’t much, either. Do we have the pieces to do it? Maybe not…depends on what their scouts think, really, and we have no way to know. But if the Jays hang on to Halladay it’s hard to see them going anywhere – he can only win them a game every 5th day.

  • Posts: 0 NEPA

    Yea, me and another guy mentioned the Lohse thing above. They’re looking for a bat and a reliever.

  • Posts: 0 Don M


    people did mention it but it was right around when the WORDPRESS crap started again.. at least on my computer… Here was my response to it:

    “Every year guys with .500 records go to the Cardinals and DOMINATE…. its because of Dave Duncan..

    Lohse here would gives us 8 starting pitchers that should be slotted anywhere between #3 and #5 in a good rotation.”

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    who there don..i was not the one who originated the howard lincecum talk. i dont know who taht ones, mightve been gavin or phil?? cant remember.

    i saw the lohse thing, how ironic would that be? hes a free agent at seasons end this year too. a complete full cycle right back where we started.

    i think the phillies pitching coaches suck really really bad.

    have you noticed that when people come here their velocity goes down?

    blanton throws 90-95 and his vlelocity has been at 88 since he got here. myers has had a velocity issue most of the year. kendrick i feel could throw a TAD higher than he does. hamels probably throw a tad higher too, but by much.

    has enyone else noticed that? rich dubee was awesome with the marlins staff when he was there, but it seems like people lose velocity when thjey come here. someone mentioned lohse earlier. know why hes awesome this year? hes velocity and command are way up with a different coach.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    i also think that fuentes is way overpriced, theyre out of line with taht. i wonder how much more they wanted for mahay if donald isnt enough

  • Posts: 0 Pete

    Don – I agree about Dobbs as the best PH in baseball and Bruntlett as a crucial play anywhere piece late in games or to give a guy a breather. But if we’re forced to start those guys, it takes them out of EXACTLY those roles. They need to be coming off the bench, not starting regularly.

    I just have this sinking feeling that Feliz is going to be on and off the shelf for the rest of the year. I could be wrong, and I’m not going to bash Gillick if he doesn’t get Beltre, but it would be a solid move to help the team.

    Other than that, short of getting Halladay, I’d love to see Mahay or Ohman. The Mahay/Donald deal sounded fair to me, but I think the Royals have been trying to drive the price up. Maybe they’ll come back close to the deadline, who knows?

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    They do need to see about Feliz, but they can’t just go get Beltre right now, because if Feliz comes back healthy… you are now stuck with Beltre too…

    I just think he was injured too close to the deadline, and if its just spasms… then that chiropractor (spell check) that they brought in this year should help.

    If Feliz stays hurt for the year, then you’re right.. those guys won’t cut it.. but until they know I can’t see them making a move for 3b

    I think if they were going to trade Halladay, they would have done it earlier since you could get more for him then the Indians did for Sabathia.. I see Halladay possibly getting traded before Spring Training, when teams that missed out on Free Agents need to go crazy to improve… there is always a big market out there, like the Santana trade..

  • Posts: 0 Jamie

    To everyone so fascinated with Halladay on here…why should we give up 4 (or more) major league ready prospects or everyday players in exchange for him right now? He’s signed for two more years, due to make $14.25MM next year and $15.75MM the following (2010). I would rather see the Phils keep those prospects and position players/pitchers and make a run at CC or Ben Sheets in the off-season. Then we have a pitcher signed to a longer term for slightly more per season perhaps, but at least we don’t have to give up the farm to get them.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Geoff.. i wasn’t saying that you were behind those Howard talks.. I was just saying that it sucks to listen to and debate trades that have ZERO chance of happening.

    I think that the pitchers themselves need to get some credit for how good they’ve been this year… but lots of credit also need to go to Rich Dubee, RUiz, and Coste.. the bullpen was awesome in the 1st half… credit needs to go somewhere

  • Posts: 0 Phil

    All of this Halladay talk is a waste of time. The Phillies ARE NOT getting Halladay. It’s as simple as that. They never try to get any players ever. The FO sucks. We’re just going to have to make due with what we have and bring in a B-lister here and there until the team is sold to a real owner.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    you can always pick someone up during the aughust waiver period anyway if you really have to get a 3b.

    thats not their main issue anyway.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    i agree about that aspect actually don. i can see halladay/dolliday trades making sense to me and me figuring out how itll work. thats why i promote them.

    but i was against manny ramirez all the way. and i saw it as ridiculous all along and was consistent about that. so it annoyed me when people were like, wow if we can get manny…NO…

    i guess it depends on whether or not you liek the players in question.

    what about hte velocity thing? teh staff has overperformed, thats for sure.

  • Posts: 0 Derek P.

    So far that has happened or happening (trades and rumors):

    Xavier Nady and Damarso Marte to Yankees
    Casey Blake to Dodgers
    Pudge to Yanks for Farnsworth
    LaTroy Hawkins to Astros
    Arthur Rhodes to Marlins
    Mark Texiera to Angels for Kotchman and minor leaguer
    Ken Griffey Jr. to White Sox (junior approves so it’s final whites sox get griffey jr.)
    Cardinals saying they will trade loshe if they get the right package
    Red Sox, Marlins and Pirates blockbuster deal is 50-50 because they might not be able to choose the prospects to give up by 4pm and also manny would only go to florida for two months cause marlins won’t resign manny
    if blockbuster deal doensn’t happen, pirates might trade jason bay to rays
    rays also looking at jayson werth
    Maddux deal between padres and dodgers broken down
    same with yanks and washburn
    cla meredith on block
    phils jason donald might be dealt today
    rumors if phils trade for ron mahay, jose guillen might be included
    the mets are really quiet so far
    one source says chance of manny coming to philly has risen by 1or2 percent but still very unlikely
    same source saying if burrell leaves next year phils might sign manny
    just to tell white sox for getting ken griffey jr. are sending danny richar and nick masset to reds
    Florida’s gm and president says they are interested in manny and the trade winds are picking up, but there is no deal on the table yet
    lots of offers have or are about to be offered for will ohman
    arizona has trade for adam dunn that would send chad tracy to reds
    scott schoweneweis is almost officaly on the block
    cubs might trade scott eyre
    huston street might go to white sox
    Rays are considering Adam Dunn
    About 4 hours left
    Espn’ mlb trade deadline blog has something wrong in it because i went to check doesn’t come up

    i’ll send more now

  • Posts: 0 Phil

    I am really pissed off about this Blanton thing. It’s eating me inside. Does he improve our team? Not really. Happ probably would have been just as good. Instead we go and trade away 2 good trade chips, and then we’re stuck with someone who is mediocre for a few years. I’m sick of mediocrity. I want to see this team win it all. It’s fucking bullshit. I’m watching all of these teams make huge trades while Pat Gillick is getting a blow job from Ruben Amaro Jr. Fuck the ownership/GM’s of the Phillies. It’s unfair to us fans to watch this bullshit happen.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    is jose guillen an impending FA????

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    blanton improves the team IF AND ONLY IF he does what hes supposed to do, but thius far he has not.

    its only an incremental improvement though because hes replacing eaton.

  • Posts: 0 Mike T.

    blanton will be fine.

  • Posts: 0 Phil

    Exactly Geoff. Exactly. I want a real upgrade not another #4 pitcher. I’m sick of this bullshit mediocrity. Thank god Moyer is pitching like he’s 35 again or we’d be fucked.

  • Posts: 0 Pete

    Jamie – are you kidding me? Ben Sheets is injured all the time and can’t hold Halladay’s jock when he’s healthy. Nonetheless, he will get paid at least $16-18MM per year (i.e., more than Halladay). CC is going to command $20MM plus. Even if the FO were willing to pay that (they’re not), you’d be paying far more per year to have a guy who, at best, is as good as Halladay.

    Yes, Halladay would “only” be signed through 2010, but guess what – that’s EXACTLY THE SAME as the window for this team to win a WS. Howard is going to be gone in a year or two. Burrell is gone after this year. Rollins’ contract expires in 2010 or ’11. The only prospects out of the bunch that have any real hope of making an impact by 2010 are Happ and Marson. But I can guarantee you they won’t make the impact Halladay would.

    When a team is a piece or two away from being a serious contender, it cannot hold onto its prospects at the expense of acquiring those pieces. It just makes no sense.

  • Posts: 0 OZ

    Honestly, I’d sell. No way can this team hang with Milwaukee & the Cubs in the playoffs. If the Marlins get Manny, same deal.

    Myers for a prospect or two. Same for Werth. If someone makes the incredible offer for Howard, same thing. Frees up a lot of money w/ Howard & Myers gone….sign Burrell (happy & healthy), Hamels, and still money for an off-season legit pitcher.

    we could be very legit in 09. sounds crazy i’m sure.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    blantons range is 90-95 with a 93 mph average for his FB. why was he throwing 88 the other day and in his first start. thats pisses me off and its driving me nuts. they come here, their velocity goes down.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Didn’t Blatnon only pitch twice so far (one of which got rained on)… and weren’t we going to give him 4-5 starts before we said he sucked or not?

    Good link from Derek. I was thinking about Mahay + Guillen today on the ride into work.. he’s another crazy bastard, but he can hit.. I think he’s signed for 2 years?

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    too late to sell if you want to sell. deals take time. you have to put the word out through the media months ahead off time if youre REALLY going to sell. then you wait until the winter meetings, show up, and collect bounty. thats how its done properly. then you can demand prospects who are ready to step right up.

  • Posts: 0 Phil

    You’re right Mike T. Blanton will be fine as another #4 or #5 pitcher. How many of them do we have/need? I mean, we’re all praying Myers can ACTUALLY be a #2/#3 like he’s supposed to be, but if not then what do we have to rely on? Fucking Kyle Kendrick and his typical Kendrickian outings? 6-7 innings 2-4 ERs? Are we really going to rely on 45 year old Moyer to continue to pitch the way he has. I mean, he’s been fucking incredible, and I hope he keeps it up, but you just never know. Even Hamels gets destroyed sometimes. And now there are rumors that his elbow is fracture. Fucking great…I’m sick of mediocrity. This team could be one of the best Phillies franchises ever…EVER! And what does the FO do? They continue with bringing garbage instead of trying to actually win. I mean, don’t get me wrong, Loshe, Moyer, and Lydle really helped us the past 3 seasons, but get something better this year. We actually have a chance and can make things happen.

  • Posts: 0 Jamie

    Pete, I understand your point, I just disagree with you. I never said Sheets or CC were as good, better, or worse than Halladay. I just pointed out that what would be required to get Halladay would be more than I would be willing to give up, considering I could at least make a run at CC or Sheets (or someone else) in the off-season. Just differing opinions, bro.

  • Posts: 0 Pete

    Jamie – didn’t mean to come on that strong. Just (like most everyone else) frustrated at the FO crapping the bed at yet another trade deadline.

    To me, given the way the Phils are set up (they can and should win now), no price is too high for Halladay. I would gladly take a WS win and 3-4 years of mediocrity afterwards, if that’s what selling off the farm for Halladay got us.

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