Two Hours Left: Eerily Quiet On The Phillies Phront
Posted by Tim Malcolm, Thu, July 31, 2008 02:10 PM | Comments: 177
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Two hours to go before the non-waiver trade deadline, and nothing yet.
In other news, Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports is echoing many allegations that the Manny Ramirez-to-Florida deal is dead.
Will the Phillies do anything at all before 4 p.m.?
In fact, just looking at the whole day so far, there has barely been a peep about or from the Phillies. It’s as if the Phils are silently concocting some mad plan. Maybe not, but it’s eerie how quiet it’s been over here, while at least there’s been word the Mets, Angels and A’s aren’t dealing at all.
Trades made today:
- Rays trade two prospects for OF Jason Bay
- Marlins trade prospect for RP Arthur Rhodes
- White Sox trade for OF Ken Griffey Jr.
Posts: 0 Geoff
this three way deal is holding up EVERYTHING else becuase it will change the trade market if it goes down. peopel are afraid to make moves while that stuff is still looming out there. it screwed up the whole trade deadline thus far.
Posted: 02:11 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Fran
I dont think the phils are gonna do anything. possiblly a cheap left handed relif pitcher
Posted: 02:13 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Gavin
Just Pat being Pat.
Posted: 02:13 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Pete
Trade Werth and Myers for Manny (someone posted that rumor; can’t imagine why the Sox would do it, but hey…). Then trade Donald and someone (Golson?) for Mahay. Let Happ start. Then we get this:
Rollins
Utley
Manny
Howard
Burrell
Vic
Feliz/Dobbs/Bruntlett
Ruiz/Coste
P
And this:
Hamels
Moyer
Blanton
Kendrick
Happ
Plus an upgraded bullpen. Yep, the rotation is rough, but if we can’t get a #1 or #2 guy, it’s not going to change. May as well get Manny and try to outscore everyone.
Posted: 02:16 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Gavin
This may have already been reported on here, so if so, I apologize. ESPN reports the Manny deal is just about dead.
This would be a great time fro Gillick to hop and and get him. Take on all of his money then you dont have to give up so many prospects.
Posted: 02:19 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 nutty professor
Werth and Myers for Manny? Time to wake up, Pete.
Posted: 02:19 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Pete
It sounds ridiculous, but I didn’t make it up out of thin air. It was cited as a report from baseball prospectus in the last thread. The report was that the Phils offered that; no word on what the Sox said.
Posted: 02:22 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 ped
as long as the mets and marlins aren’t improving I’m content
Posted: 02:22 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Pete
And it’s not that far off…the Sox were essentially reported to be giving up Manny, 2 prospects, and cash ($2M more than what is left on Manny’s contract) to get Jason Bay.
If that’s the return they’re looking for on that trade, Myers/Werth/cash for Manny is not out of the question.
Posted: 02:26 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Tom
OK NOW IF YOU CAN GET MANNY FOR MYERS AND WERTH DO IT….
MY GOD ANY1 WHO SAYS NO TO THIS NEEDS TO GET OFF THIS BOARD…
Posted: 02:26 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Gavin
I agree with that deal. You could probably doit for Donald and Werth. They need a SS.
Posted: 02:28 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 TJ
Phillies arent going to do anyhing at all. You guys can speculate all you want but this team isnt going to improve drastically in the next hour and a half as to where we can take on the Cubs/Brewers in a series. We need something to go down during the offseason. Right now all we can hope for is a hot streak that the Rockies expierienced last year. Reality sucks huh?
Posted: 02:28 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
guess what? you cant get manny for myers and werth
Posted: 02:28 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Brian
ped: I agree. The thought of Manny going to the Marlins is scary, but if it doesn’t go down and the 3 teams stay where they are the Phils still have a great shot at the NL East. If they update to just some kind of LH reliever, good for us.
Geoff: your right, this stupid 3 way deal is taking over the trade deadline and no one wants to pull the trigger on anything.
Did anyone hear anything about Lohse possibly being traded?
Posted: 02:28 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Gavin
I have a feeling something big is going down for the Phils by 3pm. Just a gut feeling.
Posted: 02:29 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 nutty professor
no one is saying no, Tom, but the proposal is ridiculous. Why would the Bosox go from getting Bay and Grabow to Werth and Myers for Manny? A backup 29-year old OF and a guy who can’t keep his ERA under 4.50. There is absolutely no validity to this rumor and it’s foolish to take it seriously.
Posted: 02:29 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Rob
No one is saying no, Tom. It’s just retarded for the Red Sox (who don’t make moves like the Phillies make moves). Obviously if the Red Sox agreed it would be sweet, but they aren’t that dumb and they aren’t sellers. This is a unique situation between the Red Sox and Manny. You clearly have no idea how to gauge plausibility through ruuuumoooorrs.
Posted: 02:30 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
theyd better be or else well be really pissed at them
Posted: 02:31 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 nutty professor
hey, Rob, no copying off my paper! j/k…looks like we think keenly alike.
Posted: 02:31 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm
Yeah, all Myers needs is to be able to walk around on Boylston Street again.
Hi-yo!
Posted: 02:32 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
hahahaha good one Tim. Myers makes sense for the Red Sox. Money isn’t an issue with them, and they could use a set up man.
Posted: 02:35 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Rob
Ha, ya nutty. Tom you must be a mets fan.
Posted: 02:38 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Rob
Ha, ya nutty. Tom you must be a mets fan judging how uneducated that comment was.
Posted: 02:39 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 nutty professor
what’s wrong with Okajima, Phil?
and even if we assume Boston has interest in Myers, why would they trade manny for him? it would be like the Phils trading Burrell for Wakefield. zero sense.
Posted: 02:39 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Rob
don’t know why that posted twice
Posted: 02:40 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 nutty professor
come one, Rob, that’s just uncalled for. if anybody is uneducated it would have to be the Red Sox for merely considering this trade.
Posted: 02:40 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Tom
nah die hard phils fan rob … first off that 3 team deal died not bc of bosox but bc of pirates not giving up prospects…
Posted: 02:40 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
i dont see anything about the astros, what did they do
Posted: 02:41 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Tom
what uneducated comment…all iv heard the past couple days is manny shouldnt come hear he would disrupt this team shut the fuck up…if the deal wasa myers werth and whoever for manny is a no brainer i am just pointing out if some1 didn’t like that i would seriously consider there mental health
Posted: 02:42 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
There are no trades happening… whats the holdup..
I think the Manny 3-way got shot down because the Pirates didn’t want to lose Bay for Hermida and a prospect in return?
MLBTR sucks the past few days in my opinion.. they kept reposting crap that we already heard 30 times , and every time the chance of a Manny trade goes from 1% to 3%…they update the page… meanwhile they dont say why any trades will or won’t happen
Posted: 02:42 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Tom
and the fact that you jus called me a muts fan is a disgraceful
Posted: 02:43 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Tom
exactly PIRATES didnt like what tjhey were getting…bosox liked what they were gettin you fuckin idiot
Posted: 02:43 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
i concur. the manny trade is the big distraction. i think its causing the lack of activity so far.
yeah the pirates killed it because they werent getting enough in return for bay/grabow.
mlbtr updates the frigging manny thing every 5 seconds.
Posted: 02:44 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Rob
The fact you would merely point out that anyone WOULDN’T like it is asinine. It’s besides the point. OF COURSE anyone would take it, I could just as easily offer up So Taguchi and Geoff Jenkins for Matt Holliday and call anyone retarded for not wanting that deal except ummmm it would never happen so why don’t you stop being such a girl and put some insight into a comment before you waste your time.
Posted: 02:45 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
that trade looking lopsided in favoor of boston actually, but thats just me.
i also think the RIDICULOUS prices placed on a lot of players has to do with this too.
Posted: 02:45 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 TJ
You guys dont know why the deal died and who was at fault. You are just basing your opinion off a couple of writers who said about 18 hours ago that the Boston- Florida deal was just about done. Its all speculation, until something happens or some league/team official comments on something you guys have no idea why it died. Just the fact that some reporter thought that it was a certain reason and this trade deadline they have been wrong about 90% wrong.
Posted: 02:47 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 nutty professor
you’re right, Geoff, but the reason these prices are so high is because selling teams want bonafide prospects. they won’t settle for less because they’ll get 1st or 2nd round draft picks when the player signs with a new team as a free agent this winter, which is a nice reward for staying patient and holding the line.
Posted: 02:47 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Geoff, I 100% agree with you, and I said that last night on the board in another post. If I were the Marlins I’d just cut out Boston and give the prospects up for Bay and Grabow.
Posted: 02:48 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Kennedy
new rumor, myers, ruiz and ruben amaro jr. for manny, varitek and cash. don’t anybody flame me, it was reported as fact on some random mets blog i found on the internet.
Posted: 02:48 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Next person that tells somebody else on here to shut the F up ….
Posted: 02:48 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
loves the cock
Posted: 02:48 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Tom
its really not that out of the line…they want to dump manny they get werth who kills lefties they get myers whoever knows what he can do and you get a prospect…rob your being a dousche just for me pointing out shit…shut the fuck up
Posted: 02:48 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Tom
i know its not gonna happen but sometime in my lifetime the phils are going to make a blockbuster move …. prolly not this year
Posted: 02:49 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
We should trade Schilling to the Diamondbacks for a new firstbaseman, like Travis Lee… and we need a lefty, so we ask them to throw in Omar Daal too
that would be sweeeeat!
Posted: 02:50 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 nutty professor
we have a winner, Don.
Posted: 02:50 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
I concur that the trade somewhat makes sense, I just don’t think it’s going to happen. V-tek and Boston’s pitching coach could probably work miracles for Myers.
Posted: 02:50 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Rob
haha you love cooock
Posted: 02:51 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
how did ed wade not get IMMEDIATELY fired for that trade? IMMEDIATELY…
Posted: 02:52 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
see me.. im only half-gay.. but Tom, he LOVES the cock, he eats it up
(Don M does not endores the notion that Tom may or may not “eat it up,” he simply fell in line of cursing at others.) (Even if that were his true lifestyle choice, there is nothing wrong with that.)
Posted: 02:53 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Tom
phils grip there prospects anyway so this specualtion is a waste of time…it makes not sense the phils will trade good prospects for shitty players but wont trade prospects for good players
Posted: 02:53 PM on July 31, 2008