Two Hours Left: Eerily Quiet On The Phillies Phront
Posted by Tim Malcolm, Thu, July 31, 2008 02:10 PM | Comments: 177
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Two hours to go before the non-waiver trade deadline, and nothing yet.
In other news, Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports is echoing many allegations that the Manny Ramirez-to-Florida deal is dead.
Will the Phillies do anything at all before 4 p.m.?
In fact, just looking at the whole day so far, there has barely been a peep about or from the Phillies. It’s as if the Phils are silently concocting some mad plan. Maybe not, but it’s eerie how quiet it’s been over here, while at least there’s been word the Mets, Angels and A’s aren’t dealing at all.
Trades made today:
- Rays trade two prospects for OF Jason Bay
- Marlins trade prospect for RP Arthur Rhodes
- White Sox trade for OF Ken Griffey Jr.
Posts: 0 Don M
That SS, Reid Brignac was ranked #25 going into this season… the same rankings that have Carrasco at #68
Scout.com has him at #10 (#1 overall SS)… they have Carrasco at #9 though
Jeff Niemann.. was ranked #57 there too…
I know that doesn’t count for much, but Jason Donald wasn’t going to cut it for them at SS, and not sure what pitcher you wanted to give up for Bay, but im guessing that even Donald and Savery wouldn’t have gotten it done..
So again, how was Gillick sleeping on this one?
Posted: 03:22 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Gillick is more than asleep Don M…he’s in a fucking coma.
Posted: 03:24 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Jeff
no one can beat the rays when it comes to prospects. they’ve been the worst team for i don’t even know how many years now. they have a monopoly on players with high potential
Posted: 03:24 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 NJ
I’d love us to have gone after Bay but where would he play? Burrell and Vic are your everyday guys and like it or not Jenkins is not going anywhere and the FO expect to get more out of him. Unless you want to use Jayson Werth as bait some of you are just getting your hopes up for no reason, we wern’t going to trade for an outfielder today period.
Posted: 03:24 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
i will be satisfied if they tell me that he was offered to the pirates and the pirates went for the better shortstop.
ill be ok with that. just say taht you called them. they wanted the best shortstop, then fine so be it.
Posted: 03:24 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
35 minutes left. I am going to walk away from my computer for 15 minutes and see if anything happens. I doubt it will.
Posted: 03:25 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
just send out amaro to lie and say that theey called, thatll at least calm me down a little bit.
Posted: 03:25 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
They are plugging that pitcher right into the rotation, and that SS will probably start for them next year.
If they wanted to give us Bay, we need to get Werth and Jenkins out cause neither of them would ever see playing time.
Donald is not close to MLB ready.. and I thought everyone wanted Happ in the rotation??
Yea the Rays are stacked with good young players…and then they are stacked with top prospects behind that
Posted: 03:26 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
i do want happ.
if it were me, it wouldve been carlos carrasco, jason donald, and antonio bastardo or greg golson
the pirates obviously are trading jack wilson, because they went for an elite SS prospect
Posted: 03:28 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
they’ve inquired about every single star player out there so far.. why wouldn’t they have checked in on Bay..?
Posted: 03:30 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
because its the phillies don. they do stupid things liek that. thats why theyve only ever won one championship and they piss us off so much.
Posted: 03:31 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Kennedy
aah, jason bay is not really any kind of improvement over Werth. Especially considering that Bay can’t hit Lefty pitchers this year. If you check out the numbers, if Werth and Bay had 100 at bats, Bay would get on 1 or 2 more times on average. And the power numbers are close. There wouldn’t be a significant enough improvement to send prospects.
Posted: 03:32 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Pete
Kennedy, you are a fucking idiot. Upthread, while calling me a retard, you said:
“Anyone who thinks that deal was a possibility needs to stop being a retard, Bay has more value than Werth.”
Now, you say “jason bay is not really any kind of improvement over Werth.” Which one is it, douche?
In fact, you are right the second time: Bay isn’t much of a step up from Werth. Which is why BP’s reported Sox/Phils trade makes sense.
I have never seen anyone on this board so blatantly contradict themselves in the span of half an hour.
Posted: 03:38 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Kennedy
haha, I contradicted myself? I fully agree Jayson Bay has more value than Werth, just not much more. You were a retard because you thought Myers had value. Retard
Posted: 03:41 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
you guys are both retards… continue your flirting later, in private
Posted: 03:43 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Gavin
Olney just said that the Phillies have given up on getting a lefty reliever and are going to stand pat with the team they have at this point.
I hate trade deadline day. Its always anticimactic when you’re a Phillies fan.
Posted: 03:44 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
I come back to this…
2:39pm: Buster Olney says the Phillies will probably come up empty on a lefty reliever.
Posted: 03:45 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 NJ
ESPN’s reporting the Phills are coming up empty in the search for reliever which is no surprise. I have a lot of good things to say about Gillicks tenure here but he does seem to be marching to the sound of his own drum. He’s been lucky with Dobbs and Werth and made a good deal with Lidge/Bruntlett but the Garcia/Jenkin’s/Rhodes/Alfonseca moves and coming up empty when he’s trying to make a deal really does smell of someone who’s a step behind everyone else.
Posted: 03:45 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Pete
Sorry Don, didn’t mean to interrupt your “special time” with Geoff.
Myers has value to any team that doesn’t care about payroll and needs a set-up guy. I.e., the Red Sox.
Posted: 03:45 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
good old stand pat…theyre going to sell it to us that joe blanton was their big move, obviously.
Posted: 03:46 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Gavin
I hear Dennis Cook is still available.
Posted: 03:46 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Kennedy
Does anyone refute that there is no team in baseball that would take Myers for free? Keep in mind, he makes 12 million next year
Posted: 03:47 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
2:43pm: MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo says there is no done deal – the Rays might not make Brignac available.
Get on that Gillick.
Posted: 03:47 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
why did golson get pulled then? i guess that was bull
Posted: 03:47 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Gavin
Pat forgot to charge his cell phone overnight.
Posted: 03:48 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 NJ
Very true Geoff, I like Blanton but we gave up the wrong prospects and are going to misuse him. When your going head to head with Beane and are going to meet his asking price you better have something up your sleeve if you want to make some other moves, clearly all that’s up Gillicks sleeve is his farewell wave.
Posted: 03:49 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Apology accepted Pete..
Posted: 03:49 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
10 minutes and counting, what will the Phillies get? I’m putting $50 on nothing.
Posted: 03:50 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Kennedy
yes, Gillick trade the farm for an outfielder who will get on base 1.5% more often than the guy we already have and can’t hit leftys. Thats such an ed wade move.
Posted: 03:51 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 KM
there is nothing to speculate about, the phillies will do, and have done what they do every year — they pick up a marginal pitcher (“innings eater” is how they ALWAYS spin it), and maybe, just maybe they will dumpster-dive and pick up a player along the lines of pete laforrest after the non-waiver trade deadline. basically they will pick up someone who won’t effect payroll, and won’t make the playoff roster if the phillies even make the post season.
i dont know how u can say bay wouldn’t be an improvement to werth, bay is a stud who hits .280+ with 30+ homers, 90+ rbis, with 10-20 steals every year for a bad team, while werth has NEVER had number comparable in any season in the majors — and he is younger than werth. if bay played in this lineup, in this ballpark, he would have numbers like . 280/35hr/115rbi/20sb. werth is best used as a 4th outfielder who can play all 3 positions, and pinch hit and run, lets not get ahead of ourselves and anoint jayson werth (who was originally signed to be a 5th outfielder on this team, in an organization where they always overvalue their players) as the next roberto clemente.
Posted: 03:52 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Kennedy
even the red sox aren’t paying 12 million a year to a slightly above average rh reliever who is conditioned for starting right now. If the red sox were that desperate, they could offer the Royals 12 Million in Cash for Mahay, and it would still be a better deal for them then this. Pete, you continue to be a retard.
Posted: 03:54 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 NEPA
Well today was uneventful, not just for Phillies but basically across the board. Yea, there’s 7 minutes left but I’ll take my chances and step away from the computer/TV for the first time today. My focus is back on the actual season and going for tonight’s sweep.
Posted: 03:54 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Yeah Nepa. Hopefully they crush Lannan for putting Utley out of commission last year.
Posted: 03:57 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Rob
Like I said… no dice. So when are the Phillies going to get desperate? Next season, the season after? Gillick is “standing pat” on a team that might not even make the playoffs this year, and he’ll tell you that the Phillies are 100% committed to winning. Pshhhh ya ok.
Posted: 03:57 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Adam
Has this team ever made a big move up against the wall at the trade deadline?
So we can thank Gillick for our 1 move being Joe Blanton, a guy with a 5-12 record and 5.9 era coming into the phils rotation and his numbers have actually gotten worse thus far. After this move Gillick announced that the phils are not done dealing. He obviously didnt mean that they will make a move before the trade deadline. Perhaps he meant the organization will make more moves period at some point in time in the future. Could be 2010. Their refusal to spend any money on one player is like a repeated knee in the stomach.
Every single good player on this team was not acquired in a trade (utley, howard, hamels, rollins). So my question then is…what has this management done for the team in terms of personel moves?
Posted: 03:58 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
ED SNIDER: PLEASE BUY THE PHILLIES BEFORE THIS TIME NEXT YEAR!!!!
Posted: 03:59 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Kennedy
KM, are you saying Bay is the next Roberto Clemente? At this point in the season, guys are probably going to continue on the same path they are on. That means Bay would be an extremely marginal improvement over Werth this year. He would also probably hit two or so hrs more than werth in an equal number of abs over the remainder of the season. Woop de fucking do. I’d rather spend on a lefty reliever then a marginally better of.
Posted: 03:59 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Rob
Annnnnnnnnd it’s over.
Posted: 04:01 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Rob
What a fucking buzz kill.
Posted: 04:02 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Rick
Is this the first time they’ve faced Lannan since he broke Chase’s hand?
Posted: 04:02 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Rob
On Baseball Tonight they’ll have “Trade Deadline Winners and Losers”. The Phils should be on the the fucking top of the losers list.
Posted: 04:03 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
one of the worst trade deadlines i can ever remember. nothign happened that was major.
the real deals happened WEEKS ago.
Posted: 04:05 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Rob
Agreed Geoff,
Especially since this was a year that the Phillies actually had chips to push. Why make any moves at all if Blanton remains the only one. They might as well have called up Happ and been done with it instead of wasting our time with “A trade is possible”. Too many people take that as Gillick saying, oh ya we have a lot in the works, instead of him just pacifying fans when he really has nothing in the works.
Posted: 04:10 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
exactly. pacifying people. thats what IT is all about. tell them what they want to hear.
Posted: 04:11 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Rob
So I’m curious,
How exactly does the next deadline work? Like waivers and all that crap. Anyone care to share?
Posted: 04:12 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
someone gets waived and has to pass through waivers, if they do, they can be traded. if someone claims them then im sure theres compensation of some sort.
Posted: 04:13 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Rob
So a player on waivers usually sucks i would assume.
Posted: 04:15 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Pete
Kennedy, let me try to break this down verrrrryyyy slllllloooowwwwllllyyyyy for you, so you can understand it. Here are two deals for the Red Sox to consider:
1st Deal:
They give – Manny, 2 prospects, and $9MM
They get – Jason Bay (marginally better than Werth, according to you, but by such a small amount it doesn’t really affect their trade value)
2nd Deal:
They give – Manny
They get – Werth, Myers, cash
The “cash” that BP reported in the deal is clearly there to offset at least part of Myers’ salary that you keep bitching about. So, unless you think that Myers is so terrible that even having him on your team will outweigh keeping 2 prospects (and $9MM), then the Sox should take the 2nd deal. Even if the Phils didn’t throw in cash, then you’re talking about Myers costing $3MM (the Sox save the 9MM from the Bay trade) and allowing the Sox to hold onto 2 prospects.
Only someone absolutely blinded by hate for Myers would say the Sox are better off with the first trade. But that’s OK, if you keep calling me a retard, your half-assed argument will look better. I promise.
Posted: 04:16 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
or someone they dont want to pay. lohse was horrible last year until they cut him and traded him to us for a bad prospect.
thats why the real chance to become a contender for anything other than the division has come and gone.
Posted: 04:16 PM on July 31, 2008
Posts: 0 Pete
Players on waivers are underperforming (usually significantly) relative to what they are getting paid. Washburn, for example, is a lock to go through waivers.
Posted: 04:18 PM on July 31, 2008