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If your mission was to get people to acknowledge that he is untouchable, then say that…and say why… I was thinking this whole time that your mission was to prove that Jimmy Rollins is the worst player in major league baseball.. is never on base…and should be traded for garbage, as we try to to win a world series..

my problem with you is steadily say the most outlandish things possible..and then try to defend that with contradictions, and “I don’t need to explain myself again if you can’t understand”… “try to keep up”…. and “actually, you brought up trading him this time”.

there are some sensible reasons to trade jimmy rollins, and sensible reasons why it shouldn’t even cross our minds. however, to argue over the reasoning doesn’t make any sense because it will never happen.

geoff, you know how i feel about the phillies’ “core”

yes, i do mike.

there are 4 or 5 guys. weve argued whether or not j-roll should be in there more than enough already. but theres only a few really valuable guys. the rest of them are overpaid trash or mediority at face value.

Because if you really, seriously want this team to win a World Series.. like I’m sure you do…. trading Jimmy Rollins is going to weaken this team, not make it better.

My whole point is that the NL might be terrible, and all the teams are junk.. but that ain’t our fault.. the Phillies are going out there and beating the opposing team more often than not. Maybe Rollins value is as high as it will be for the rest of his career.. but for the next 2 or 3 seasons I still think it makes sense to have one of the best shortstops in baseball on your team, instead of trading him for prospects.

If they could have received a STUD with a welcoming contract, like Halladay.. of course you would make the trade.. but you don’t trade someone as explosive and important to your team’s success as Jimmy Rollins because it wouldn’t do anything towards the goal of winning a World Series anytime in the near future

theyre not going to make the trade so its not even worth discussing anymore. i told you why id do it and what id expect in return. but it doesnt matter, who am i kidding? theyll wait until hes 36, washed up, and in the middle of the next contract, which will be a bad contract, and trade him for 4 of 5 pieces of scrap.

That was a salary dump.. and at least we got Jesus in that trade… he has yet to become our savior, but its too soon to judge

what other GMs salary dumps produce guys that are good big league ballplayers?? Do you mean “trades”?

wtf are you talking about… seriously, when all these other GMs dump salary.. who are the superstars they landed in return? I’m so dumb that I can’t think of any….

The Phillies got rid of Abreu so they didn’t have to pay him $15 M last year, and wouldn’t have to worry about his $16 M option this year.. how was that not a smart move? They obviously weren’t going to win anything with him as the leader of this team

if yorue going to depend those deals, and the prospects they got in return, then please allow me to borrow another brett myers phrase:

“youre a fucking retard. you dont know shit about fucking baseball.”

well said. i coudlnt agree more. you corrected yourself without me having to say or do anything. nice work.

i was gearing up for an argument in case you were going to try and defend of those moves. then you would be making the extreme statement that would require backing up. i dont have to back up that statement.

its commonly accepted that those were bad trades, just as it is commonly accepted that rollins is untouchable. i went against that, so i had to prove that with statistics and logical arguments. so if youre going to go against the commonly accepted opinion here, then you need to provide some support.

tahts right. it does work well. dont try to change the subject. if youre not going to answer my question then im not going to answer yours.

im not going to repeat myself. you know what? just, nevermind. next youre going to try and tell me that steve carlton wasnt the greatest left-handed pitcher of all time.

Last time you asked a question was 40 minutes ago… when you asked why is it that other GMs dump salary and get good baseball players in return.. I was trying to find out from you.. which ones you were talking about… and you still haven’t come up with any..

is that the question you’re talking about?

im not going to come up with any because its pointless. they signed them to back contracts and the only recourse was to dump them gor garbage. total garbage. this, ed wade still sucks and pat gillick couldnt even con a decent prospect out of anybody because they waited too long.

why do i have to provide examples of that? thats the argument. the pirates got some decent prospects in BOTH of their big salary dumps over last week. the consensus is that a few of those guys will be good players. name one good player the phillies got that came out of those deals.

is that such a hard thing to grasp?

ok there, chief. the pirates got rid of nady and bay and marte to DUMP salary. i know the pirates better than you do. they are all about shedding payroll. they got good prospects in return.

its not my fault if people cant follow my arguments. i say something thats obvious. then you cant understand it because its beyond your capabilities, so you ask me to document it, and i do. and sometimes you still dont get it.

I guess so.. if you guys really believe that they chose to hang onto him long enough not to have any value.. and then dump him instead of trade him…

If I remember correctly.. the Yankees were the only team that were interested in Abreu because he made $15.5 million, and the Phillies had to pay Abreu $1.5M to agree to be traded without demanding the Yankees picked up his 2008-option for $16-M ..which the Yankees did anyway, cause why wouldn’t they pay him too much.

If no other teams are interested, your options are keep him..or dump him… they chose to dump him, and have since won the NL East and improved over the time he was here.

this whole thing started over pat gillick.

thats mighty thoughful of you, i appreciate that.

the phils aren’t bad, they’re TERRIBLE.

Listen I understand what you are saying.. I acutally brought that point up the other day how we got nothing from Schilling, Rolen, Abreu etc.. because they always think they can resign the guy, or that winning is right around the corner..

But you have to understand my point that trades and salary dumps are much, much different… the only things the Phillies could have done with Abreu was ship him to the Yankees..or keep him.. so they shipped him off… Then they signed Utley to a long-term deal… you gotta take the good with the bad.

that was one of the funnist baseball things iver ever seen, that exchenge? i forgot what heasked him, it was something like: did he crush it?