Comments on: Gameday: Marlins (60-54) At Phillies (62-51)

By: scot

scot — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 02:52:06 +0000

This is arguing? No, Phil. You’ve just presented your side of the story over and over again and never put any blame on Hamels. I’ve admitted the offense is been sub par. You’ve said when Hamels lets up a go ahead home run it’s the offense’s fault.

Believe me, Phil, there is enough blame to go to Hamels as well for SEVERAL of his starts this year. But you say the Phillies offense beat Hamels, which is, of course, a statistical impossibility in the game of baseball when they are on the same team. You of all people should know that.

By: Phil

Phil — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 02:13:26 +0000

I’m done arguing with you. You are too incompetent to get my point. You argued that he pitched bad the 1st game this season. You know the one where he let up 1 run on 2 hits. The Phillies had 1 hit that game. So, it’s Hamels fault they lost? You judge w/l too much. The Phillies offense beat Hamels. That’s what it all boils down to. I love the posts where you say he’s terrible.

By: Eli

Eli — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 01:05:16 +0000

Gotta love phillies fan!!

By: Fred

Fred — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:49:41 +0000

In 1968, Bob Gibson started 34 games with 28 complete games. He won 22 with an amazing ERA of 1.12 . Somehow he still lost 9 games.

What does this prove? Maybe nothing but I’d be willing to bet he didn’t get much run support in those 9 losses.

By: scot

scot — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:38:55 +0000

Let me put it this way Phil. It’s as if you are looking at a Hamels strat-o-matic card. That’s great. I love strat. I’m in a strat league. I’m in 3rd in my division. But the game isn’t played by rolls of dice and mathematical formulas. It’s played on the field. I agree that Hamels has pitched very well, statistically. It’s great stuff on paper.

But the game is played on the field. With real players, real human frailaities, and real emotions. Not calculators and long division. And when all that has come into play, Hamels has come up a little bit short. He has not risen to the occasion in close games. You can have a billion formulas. It doesn’t take into account a pitchers “head” after he gives up a leadoff double. Or when he has a guy on second two outs and he hasn’t got the call he wanted the pitch before.

Unfortunately, that seems to be where Hamels has fallen short this year. He can get better at that, he’s not even 25 yet. I hope he does.

I call it as I see it. You call me a douchebag, and a Mets fan. Fair play, if ya say so. But that is the sad truth of this season.

By: scot

scot — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:27:01 +0000

i’m employed phil, sorry if that cuts into our q&a time. i’ll try to do better in the future.

zambrano beat sheets.

volton and pinero beat hamels.

look i am not saying hamels is garbage. i will say he definitely has not pitched well enough to be 15-4. it’s simple. you can twist your stats all you want, but even hamels would say he hasn’t pitched well enough to be 15-4. only fanboys would suggest that.

You want to drink kool aid and say hamels is blameless. i want to look at our ace and be confident that he can win close games when our offense isn’t at it’s best.

you want to defend your hero. i want to look at facts.

By: Phil

Phil — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:13:14 +0000

You never answered my question though. Hamels beat Webb a few weeks ago. Does that make Webb garbage? Zambrano beat Sheets does that make Sheets garbage. You are the biggest homer on this site. Anyone who judges w/l for how good a pitcher is is fucking dumb. Nolan Ryan has one of the most horrible w % for a HOF pitcher. I guess he blows too, right?

By: Phil

Phil — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:10:38 +0000

Hamels should have a 15-4 record. He is I believe 127th in the league in run support. I’m sure it’s lower now after today’s game. If Eaton had a 19-4 record right now with a 7.00 ERA but got 9 runs a game support would that make him better than Hamels? See, this is what makes you a fucking moron. Hamels can’t help his lack of run support.

By: Greg V.

Greg V. — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:08:51 +0000

Hamels had a decent game I thought. Unfortunately, nobody else in a Phillies uniform did.

By: scot

scot — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:06:23 +0000

If Hamels had a 15-4 record that would mean he has cut down on the homeruns and 2 out rbi’s. I’d be thrilled as a Phils season ticket holder. I hope he still can get to that point, but he hasn’t done the business this year.

By: Phil

Phil — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:00:48 +0000

If Hamels had a 15-4 record right now would you be arguing this?

By: Phil

Phil — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:00:07 +0000

Kendrick had some great defensive plays that saved his ass last night. Fact
Hamels had his defense making bad plays. Fact
The Phillies offense didn’t get a hit for the 1st 5 innings. Fact
Cole Hamels got the 1st hit. Fact
It’s hard to pitch in pressure situations like that. Fact

I could go on.

By: scot

scot — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:57:53 +0000

Phil, sweeheart, if I was a Mets fan I wouldn’t be spending hundreds of dollars a month to drive down from CT to see this team several times a month.

I’ve blamed the offense several times. I’m frustrated as hell with Utley, Rollins, and I said even several months ago jenkins is Gillicks worst signing.

I’m even more frustrated than you. I just don’t build up blameless demigods who can be excused from sub par performances.

By: Phil

Phil — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:57:35 +0000

Kendrick had run support last night. Fact
Kendrick has run support every time he pitches. Fact
Hamels never has run support. Fact
Hamels is a MUCH better pitcher than Kendrik. Fact
You are dumb. Fact

By: Phil

Phil — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:56:40 +0000

You’re a douchebag. fact

By: scot

scot — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:53:23 +0000

Kendrick pitched a better game last night against the same team that Hamels lost to. Fact.

Hamels hasn’t won a game in over a month. Fact.

All the great WHIP in the world doesn’t mean a damn if you give up homeruns and 2 out RBI’s that cost your team the game. Fact.

By: Phil

Phil — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:45:25 +0000

Obviously our ace is Kyle Kendrick. He has more wins.

By: Kyle

Kyle — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:40:38 +0000

Scot wants his pitchers to have a nice record. Who cares about important stats like whip, Ks, ERA, innings pitched. It’s all about the W-L. Fuck guys like Santana and Hamels, who are a couple of games over .500 combined. I’d much rather run out Adam Eaton, who sported an 11-8 record last year. Whomever has the better record, that is the *real* ace.

By: Phil

Phil — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:28:43 +0000

Agreed. They need to start winning games for Hamels so Scot shuts the fuck up.

By: Fred

Fred — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:26:55 +0000

This ‘powerhouse’ lineup has got to able to score more than 7 runs in a series. It we can’t get more consistent hitting it’s going to be a long couple of months ahead.