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Other than Lidge, the bullpen is brutal. And while I don’t like Manual, what can you do if pitchers (Durbin, Madson, etc…) continue to shit the bed? And then every fifth start Kendrick goes 3 to 5 innings? It’s not like he can use Lidge for two every night.

Happ should be pitching right now, or very soon, in Kendrick’s spot. Use Romero exclusively in the 8th inning. I don’t give a flying fuck if right-handed hitters are coming up. That is all.

then we have to match them stride for stride to keep up

kk is not the answer and we learned that this season he is a nice guy and all but he isnt a starter in this leauge

Yeah that’s right – throw Happ into the september pennant race fire. No thanks. Kendrick might be a mediocre pitcher, but at least he has been there before.

i say go 4 man roatation

If you mean going 2.2 innings in game 2 of last years NLDS, Christian, yes, Kyle Kendrick has “been there.”

what happened to Geoff?

Is it depressing, living in a city that simply doesn’t win championships, at any level?

Tonight was just an awful loss. I am not sure how to describe it other than this: good teams do NOT lose a game with their ace on the mound with a 4-1 lead with six outs left. They simply don’t. I don’t care if Hamels or not. If you are a major leaguer, you should be able to get 3 outs without giving up 3 runs.

um, dude. the pitchers arent CONDITIONED to go to a 4 man unit. if they were conditioned, like they were in the old days id be all for it, but you need 4 BIGTIME studs to do that nowadays. its about TRAINING AND CONDITIONING. preparation and so forth. you have to be CONDITIONED to throw more innings but pitchers now are conditioned to throw less innings.

robin roberts threw 13 straight CG’s. do you realize how much of a beast he was? NOONE can do that now. maybe CC or webb. maybe…

Again, if you like knowing what youre in for means getting five innings of work whereby every inning there are runners on base. No thanks.

As a Mets fan,i’m worring about this weekend vs the Marlins and i’ll worry about the Brewers come Monday.You guys should do the same vs Da Cubs.Worry about the Brewers and Mets when you face them instead of wallowing on what might happen down the road.Live the moment and stop worrying.

Yea Kendrick needs to spend some more time in the Minors…He needs to develope a pitch so he can strikeout batters because he stuggles to strikeout batters.

he needs to show improvement, kendrick, he cant stand still otherwise carlos carrasco or JA happ will supplant him

AC in NJ:I seen Hamels throw 120 pitches in a CG once…I dunno if thats his career high,but i’m sure it’s close.

yeah, that’s right SJ Mike, and I think his avg is low 100′s.

thanks SJMike. so do you agree that manual fucked it up here? if the bullpen is as gassed as it appears, i can’t for the life of me see why he didn’t let Hamels at least start the 8th. he still had 10 pitches to go before 118, and it’s likely he could have gotten at least one out in that number of pitches. (and if he didn’t, then make the change then).

Bullpen is just incredibly taxed after the past week, especially those Mets games. That leads to implosions like this.

AC in NJ, Manuel did bring in the wrong pitcher there, no doubt.

I would have brought Romero in there or Durbin to start the inning. Madson has been a 6th/7th inning guy all year and should have stayed that way.

And having to pick up the pieces after the number of Kendrick 3-5 inning starts is starting to take its toll.

They’ll be untaxed when Ryan Madson stops throwing right down the middle in the 8th inning where he doesn’t belong.

Kyle – i agree in theory, but i don’t think you can characterize this as just “game 130-something”. this isn’t a nationals or braves game, although we all expect wins in those. when you’re up 4-1 on possibly the best team in baseball at their home, you’ve gotta win that. it would have been a terrific confidence booster for these guys and tied them back up in 1st after last nights debacle. Instead, we have a double dose of debacle, and now Phils gotta take 2 of 3 to get the needed split here!

i’m praying that the Marlins take 2 of 3 from the mets, but I don’t see it. and if the mets take 2 of 3, but the phils only get 1 of the next 3, they are 2 full games back at the end of it. Not the way to start September.

Pat The Bat Burrell; 0 for 5 with five runners left on base and no offense from Pedro Feliz either. Burrell should have been rested tonight and Dobbs should have been given a start in left field with a righty starting for the Cubs. Burrell could have pinch hit if needed.

I guess we are agreeing to disagree in part. If you don’t have a pitcher, I will say it again, who can get 3 outs without giving up 3 runs – a late inning reliever no less – you don’t have a good team. And the phils HAVE NO 8TH INNING PITCHER.

Now, the Cubs are certainly favored in the remaining 3 games. And who cares if the Phils are two back at weekends end, they need worry about winning tomorrow.

Tyler – let’s go Marlins!