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I’m not saying we can afford to lose Lidge, but I don’t think it will be the end of the world. Durbin/Romero can close out the game(depending on whether there is a righty or lefty up to bat in the 9th.)

Guess what? if hes hurt, he HAS to go on the 15-day DL because the way they manage injured players is terrible and they could hurt him worse and lose him for a lot longer than two weeks.

My philosophy is: take care of the problem now, DL or not.

Again, mismanagement of pitchers and injured players. Rich Dubee, again, screwing people up, gettin gpeople hurt by interfering with their mechanics. He has to go immediately and i dont trust him with any of their staff. If they had dave duncan as the coach, kyle kendrick would be throwing 91-95 mph fastballs and spotting them on the corners like lohse has been doing. he wont do the long toss, he wont build arm strength, he changes their motion too much. hes just a BAD PITCHING COACH.

Thats why their trainers are bad, and their pithcing coach is bad, and the groundskeepers, and the hitting coach, and the aramark vendors, and the stadium architects, etc….

But theyre not. Theyve got people out there that are injured and playing like ass, chase utley, jimmy rollins. they ended tom gordons carreer with assistenace from rich dubee. dubee screwed with lidges delivery and now hes hurt and his velocity is down. everyones velocity is less than what it should be. gavin floyd, lohse, their velocity all went up after leaving. myers velocity and mechanics were fixed by AAA coaches! not by rich dubee.

rollins has been great over the past few days but you can tell hes still injured you can tell chase utley is injured and the trainers have him popping so many painkillers that he cant see the ball. luckily, he connected with one yesterday.

the weather people for the phillies ARE bad. cant they perform a pagan ritual of some sort that will fend off rain until were ahead late in the game and then recall it? dont they have good shamans down there anymore? whats baseball coming to when you cant bring in a shaman to perform a ritual offering to appease the new age rain spirits that govern the weather for baseball games, and baseball games only.

besides, everyone should know what the HAARP project is. the phillies owners need to buy a HAARP machine to break out thunderstorms when theyre leading by 1 in the 8th inning.

thats a good idea. its also a good idea to try and acquire jake peavy at the winter meetings. i read the padres are trying to shed payroll and rebuild…and hes one of their highest paid guys.

well that would be just too bad if they had to let him go. he’d look good in red pinstripes.

I agree with Jeff. The Phillies always lie or underestimate and we lose the guy for the month. I fully expect Lidge to be gone until Sept. 1 and if he returned before then, great.

Let’s hope for a few straight Phils blowout wins. That would be a nice way for Lidge to get a few days rest.

I guess Myers could always close again and Happ could take his spot in a worse case scenario.

Ahh-h yes,.. the predictable whining that seems to begin with geoff’s rants on “their trainers are bad, and their pitching coach is bad, and the groundskeepers, and the hitting coach, and the aramark vendors, and the stadium architects, etc…”. (chuckle)
. So Geoff, you can see from your armchair in your apartment that Rollins and Utley are playing injured? Really!? Take time to read this team report where Lidge credited Dubee for spotting a “mechanical glitch” in his delivery:

“Lidge, who didn’t pitch in a save situation Saturday night, said his right shoulder has felt “sluggish” for several weeks. Neither Lidge nor manager Charlie Manuel are overly concerned that the discomfort will linger, and Lidge said he’s hoping to be ready to pitch Monday night in Los Angeles.

Lidge, who played catch Sunday morning with pitching coach Rich Dubee, has been taking anti-inflammatory medication. He has seen team physician Dr. Michael Ciccotti, but he hasn’t undergone an MRI exam.

Manuel said Lidge is “just now getting his strength back” after warming up six times before pitching in the All-Star Game on July 15 at Yankee Stadium. But Lidge believes his shoulder troubles have stemmed from a mechanical glitch that was discovered last week by Dubee.”

Hopefully, with rest and a mechanically corrected delivery, Lidge will be ready this week.

and brad lidge will have to go on the DL because rich dubee tinkered with his delivery. rich dubee hasnt done anything really impressive at all. im pretty sure this pitching staff’s improvement can be traced to them NOT listening to rich dubee. brett myers was fixed by the Iron Pigs’ staff. Kyle Kendrick is an “It” guy who works more closely with Jamie Moyer than he does rich dubee. jamie moyer doesnt need to be coached by anyone at all, because he is basically a player/coach already. if cole hamels left he would gain 3-4 mph velocity on hsi fastball and other coaches would be able to spot the flaw in his delivery that is the reason he keeps getting injured every year.

go back and look at his delivery and see if you can spot hamels’ flaws.

brad lidge has a classic ocmpact delivery, theres nothing wrogn with it. ever since they admitted that dubee changed it hes gotten less velocity on his fastballs and hes gotten hurt now. dubee changed tom gordons delivery and it led to a potentially career ending injury.

then when dubee gets them injured the training staff cant recognize the injury fast enough or the manager isnt told the whole story and they keep sending them out there desptie injury.

now, with like two exceptions, the dodgers staff is mostly garabge, so they should be able to plow through that nicely.

Geoff… you’re an idiot.

Where do you buy tickets to watch the practices.. I’d love to see Kyle Kendrick working more with Moyer than he does with Dubee.. and watch Moyer coach himself and not listen to his pitching coach.

Lidge was terrible and completely ineffective before he came here..

Gordon has missed entire seasons in his career before due to injury..

How is Rich Dubee to blame?? WHy the hell do you feel it neccesary to go after EVERY level of coaching and ownership with this organization? Give it a rest already.

Don is right, I haven’t seen any footage of Moyer coaching Kendrick. And i totally agree with trading Rollins so that Bruntlett can start everyday even when Feliz is back ! Our lineup would be murderers row with Bruntlett, Ruiz, Jenkins and Feliz in the lineup everyday…

oh sorry.. the Dodgers have the lowest ERA in baseball at 3.65.. Phillies are 8th in baseball (3rd in the NL)

the pitching coach gets peopl einjured and their velocity goes down. i dont know what happened to him, he used to be good when he was with the marlins, but the marlins are a positive winning environment. the phillies, under this ownership regime, have failed repeatedly and are marked with the stigma of a bad group of people to do business with.

by now its really obvious that they are intentionally doing enough to make money off of us and beyond that, they are intentionally failing and doing everyting they can to fail. a la the owners of liverpool.

at liverpool, howwver, they have a legendary manager/coach who is so good and reputed that he FIGHTS the front office and can get away with it. too bad we dont have anyone like that…..like if we hired tommy lasorda and brian cashman…

kuroda is overrated. kershaw is awesome. penny is too much like myers for my liking, and derek lowe is solid and holds it down. billingsley is ok.

the dodgers bullpen has broxton, saito (isnt he injured?), kuo is ok, and a BUNCH of trash.

if the phillies cant mash them then the phillies are again not good enough.

they throw harder now and i think there a lot of pitchers with odd deliveries and bad mechanics. also, THE 6 MAN ROTATION IS GONE!!! pitching more frequently puts more strain and abuse on the body. hence the pitcher abuse system was developed to track it. but i think they REALLLY need to get abck to the 6-man rotation and make it manditory throughout baseball.

too many people are getting injured and losing their careers.

rollins needs to be traded to the cardinals for dave duncan, one of those ice tubs, and a new ptiching machine.

If you pay attention to what’s going on at liverpool the manager isn’t winning a fight with the owners, in fact the owners just failed to stump up enough cash to sign a player the manager wanted (Gareth Barry). Liverpools manager isn’t even legendery, he’s been in charge for 4 years and hasn’t won a league trophy or even finished close to doing so.

that right. to be great you have to hit good pitching, EVEN though that good pitching may be slightly overrated (its not garbage, i exaggerated, but i think their bullpen kind of is), you still have to mash them and get to them if you want to be considered NOT a fraud. they havent shown the ability to get to good pitching, or even average pitching, all year.

well isn’t it the pitching coaches job to recognise damaged goods ?

was rich dubee allowed to look at freddy garcia, were the trainers? no. not taht id trust them too, but they didnt even get a CHANCE to check him out in person.

He is in no way shape or form a legend of a manager, a legend is Alex Ferguson who’s won the champions league 2 times, the F.A cup 4 times and the premier league more times than I can remember. And he spends less money every season than Benitez. Your pont about Mascherano is ironic, because he is a shocking waste of money for Liverpool. They already have Gerrard and Alonso in CM and he goes and spends 20 mil on another when up front you’ve got Voronin or Kuyt starting every week ? Liverpool will never win the league with Benitez as manager, and signings like Mascherano is exactly why. And why sign Barry when you’ve just forked out big time cash to sign Mascherano ? The point is, he dosn’t just get what he wants, he get’s a set budget every year like every manager in soccer and every GM in baseball

you fail to mention he won the spanish league twice, including one year when they won the double when he was at valencia.

by the way, i agree about barry, they dont need him. mascherano is one of the top holding midfielders in the world. hes not an offensive guy really. they need a winger and they havent been able to get one for years. ive heard rumblings of david silva and mancini but it hasnt happened over the years. i also think the goaltending could be better, though hes a decent keeper.

and he won the FA cup a few yrs ago