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Yeah….I don’t see it. But hey, maybe he won’t be like the double play machine.

The trollydodgers get Manny and Greg Maddux. We show interest in this shitpile. Adavantage Phils.

Pat Gillick is mailing it in.

If the FO are prepared to send Ruiz down then this is a positive move adding a veteran catcher that freshens things up a bit. Jaramillo’s not going to impact this team unless he magically becomes a Soto clone.

The question going into next year is what is Ruiz role? Is he the back-up? He’s defensively superior but Coste’s as good a back-up as your going to get. If Marson doesn’t have a lights out spring showing uncanny maturity behind the plate then who’s the starting catcher going to be?

Just absurd!!! If they thought they needed another catcher, like most of us have this season they probably could of had Pudge.

Like some of the others here, I don’t understand why you would bring this guy in instead of giving Marson or Jaramillo a shot in the bigs. At least they have upside, especially Marson, who walks a lot and is hitting .325 this year.

Maddux wasn’t going to leave the West Coast.. The Tigers wanted a bullpen reliever for Pudge, we were looking to add that too, not give it away.

Harden is awesome when healthy, but he’s .. and I was on board with going after Manny…

Fred good point about the Catchers Avg’s in the minors.. people were bitching that Myers success when he was sent down was because it was against Minro Leaguers… but at the same time, they were going crazy over Marson and Carrasco, who weren’t dominating or anything at AA… They’ll be nice players, but they aren’t saviors..

The Phillies like catchers who are good defensively and who call a good game behind the plate… Ruiz does that .. he just doesn’t hit like Joe Mauer or Brian McCann so nobody likes him

Why even go after david ross at all? what is the point of that? another high K-rate, low average hitter. we have WAAAY too many of those already. why not just allow marson to be your third catcher sept 1 and expose him to the majors maybe in a few starts as a backup or pinch hitter to limit costes at bats because coste gets worse the more at bats he gets, just like dobbs. its supposed to work the other way arouind, but apparently not with the phillies.

or, why not bring up jason jaramillo? hes producing the same or better than ross and hes the senior catcher in the minors and should get first crack anyway. whats SO WRONG with that?

Why do the phillies always do this? bring in more expensive veteran TRASH when you can cheaply fill a gap and get semi-acceptable production from within. PLEASE, DO NOT SIGN DAVID ROSS! it makes no sense at all.

right-handed, contact hitting bench bat? sure, they need one, they also need someone to spell howard, but i dont really see anybody out there thats decent whos hit the wires yet. im sure a few more guys will be put on waivers, and perhaps one of them would help. this problem is going to have to be addressed in the offseason. you need to make it clear that contact hitting and good situational hitting wins baseball games. not taking golf swing rips everytime up and junk. whoever in this lineup aside from howard and burrell doesnt completely accept that in the offseason and gear their entire preparation towards improving their hitting and fielding fundamentals SHOULD BE IMMEDIATELY TRADED.

im not going to sit through another season of this offense with the same level of patience.

Somebody gave me hell a week ago for laying into Utley a little bit (he had a 12 game hitting streak at the time)… and I said that of course he is our best hitter, and hustles all the time, and he’s awesome.. BUT.. the best hitter on our team needs to start carrying this team, and its starting to become more and more clear that Utley doesn’t want that burden..

MAYBE Rollins started all that junk as a way to get people to focus solely on him, taking a step back and thinking about it.. there really isn’t a reason to BOO Ruiz or Bruntlett or whoever.. Unless they pop-up a first pitch after a pitcher walked a few guys.. mental errors, etc… But I think that the home crowd will be a little slower to jump on the rest of the team, so maybe Rollins took a calculated risk by having the fans focus their anger on him he allowed the other guys to work through their kinds and get their swings going again..without the wrath of the fans..???

Mike – just curious: do you really believe management “tried” to get those guys?

I don’t for a minute, but I long ago gave up any hope on the wormrats who run this inept organization.

Guys, marson is hitting .319 in AA and is the organization’s only pospect at catcher. Jaramillo’s not considered a real prospect any more and is hitting mid .260 something with 15 errors. If they want a catcher, bring up Marson and see what he has. Coste can handle being the “starter” for the rest of the year if we have to.

Again, Marson is only a .274 minor league hitter. Exclude this year and he’s only a .261 hitter. What makes anyone think he’ll be able to hit for average at the major league level? Ruiz hit .300 his last two seasons in the minors and look at him now. And Ruiz is a more than capable major league defensive catcher.

Why make a change? What can Marson bring to the table more than Ruiz? Hitting? Maybe but doubtful. Defense? Not a chance. So why will Marson be an upgrade? He can’t even crack the Olympic starting nine. Catching is not the problem with this team.

Not sure if he is on waivers or has cleared waivers but they should look at Millar in Baltimore, RH bat that can pinch hit and spell howard with some pop and veteran leadership that they probably really could use right now.

i think millar cleared. glue guy, usefull to bostons championship run in 2004.

you need the back end of the order to NOT be 3-4 automatic outs, tahts the problem. dobbs and bruntlett as starters are automatic outs, so is ruiz, so is coste. you just cant have that. feliz helps but coste needs to be replaced by a younger catcher who hits for at least a decent average.

Boy are we beating a dead horse. I agree with Fred that the catching isn’t the problem. Its the big 4. Rollins, Utley, Howard, and Burrell. Of all of them, only Burrell is going to match his average numbers this year. Sure the bench is pathetic which give you no flexibility to juggle the lineup but if the big 4 continue to struggle we are not going to win.
And oh yes. If you think management wants a contact hitter who won’t strike out and does the right thing, Look at the stadium they built. Remember Polanco?

yeah the more i think about it, their stadium is really a cancer if they refuse to bring in disciplined hitters. and without discipline in the locker room even disciplined hitters become bad hitters trying to hit home runs all the time. its really not hard to come to the plate, assess the situation, and reach out and flick one into the alley when your team needs it. most teams have at elast one guy that can do that, even bad teams. the coaching is very poor in terms of discipline at the plate. this is the worst plate discipline team i have EVER seen. EVER.

Marson has GIDP 10 times this year – Ruiz has 11. Not much difference except that the talent level in AA is obviously less than the bigs. So I would think Marson’s GIDPs would be dramatically higher in the bigs.

napoli, martin, mauer, mccann, doumit, soto, pierzynski, b molina, suzuki just to name a few. theyre all better than chris coste and carlos ruiz

Who? and why?

That was the best you could come up with Tyler?? Pedro Feliz, instead of like Kris Benson?