Rollins, Phils Put Nats Away
Posted by Tim Malcolm, Fri, August 01, 2008 09:10 AM | Comments: 144
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The Phillies took out the brooms for the first time since they were in Atlanta, sweeping the Nationals with an 8-4 win.
Jimmy Rollins went 2-for-4 with a two-run home run and three RBI, leading the charge. Jayson Werth added a homer. Shane Victorino continued his hot hitting, going 2-for-4 with a run.
The win went to Kyle Kendrick, who pitched a strong 6.2 innings, giving up two runs on seven hits and a walk. The bullpen did their thing to sew it up.
With the win the Phils take first place by a full game over the idle Mets. The Marlins won, keeping pace with the good guys.
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Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm
Short recap today. Brian has the great photos from the game and I watched none of the game last night – I was instead rocking out to the Killers. Sweet.
Posted: 09:11 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Charlie
What do you think about Chase Utley intentionally getting hit by a pitch? Atleast it seemed intentional.
Posted: 09:19 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T.
I used to be a Killers fan – not much anymore.
Posted: 09:27 AM on August 1, 2008
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More on that soon — probably was intentional after Kendrick’s HBPs. Good thing Utley didn’t retaliate — good teams show it on the field.
Posted: 09:28 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T.
It was definitely intentional.
Posted: 09:37 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
speaknig of beaning people, they need to get chris duncan this weekend. sened clay condrey out thjere to put one in his ribs.
Posted: 09:40 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Mr. Brightside
F you then MIKE T
Posted: 09:41 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T.
Smile like you mean it.
Posted: 09:42 AM on August 1, 2008
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Cholly had somethings to say about it too.
“The catcher set right in behind him,†Manuel said. “Yeah, he threw at him. No doubt about it.â€
Thanks to High Cheese where I stole that quote.
Posted: 09:43 AM on August 1, 2008
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yeah, i’m all for pegging the shit out of chris duncan.
Posted: 09:43 AM on August 1, 2008
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. . .
Though the Phillies did not react on the field last night, they certainly took notice of Nationals’ reliever Jesus Colome’s eighth-inning pitch that hit Chase Utley in the back.
“The catcher set right in behind him,†Manuel said. “Yeah, he threw at him. No doubt about it.â€
The play was likely in retaliation for two pitches by Kyle Kendrick that hit batters, one of which hit Nationals star Ryan Zimmerman on the wrist and knocked him out of the game. Neither was intentional. Utley appeared to glare at Colome as he ran to first base, but that was the extent of the fireworks.
Could there be retaliation in store in the future?
“That’s something you don’t say a word about,†Manuel said.
Utley took the high road after the game.
“It’s part of the game. No big deal,†he said. The important thing is, we won.â€
But his teammates took notice.
“It’s a baseball thing, it definitely is,†short stop Jimmy Rollins said coyly. “But there’s a little more to that baseball thing.â€
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FYI: Adam Eaton gave up four runs in 3 2/3 innings of his first minor league start for Class A Lakewood tonight.
Posted: 09:43 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
i wonder what guys will be waiver-traded in the coming days?
they still need all three things i mentioned yesterday. i dont think they need a loogy, thats what romero is. they need a real setup man. whoever it is, loogy or not, theyll have to be someone who is a late inning guy. better not be garbage though, for goodness sake.
if their not going to win the WS they better at least win the division, and to do that theyll need those things.
Posted: 09:44 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
maybe it can be rudy seanez’s last act as a phillie before they DFA him.
Posted: 09:45 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T.
yeah, he looked horrible in so many different ways last night.
Posted: 09:49 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
yeah hes done. i think theyre waiting for a waiver-trade to materialize befor ethey release him. because i seriously think its dangerous to rely on tom gordon coming back into his previous role. thats wreckless and stupid.
Posted: 09:51 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
all things considered… when a guy with a 3.58 ERA is the worst in your bullpen.. that ain’t too bad
Posted: 09:53 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
not bad at all. but you need another 8th inning guy. they shouldve gotten one yesterday but since they didnt they have to hope one comes available in the next week or so.
Posted: 09:54 AM on August 1, 2008
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yeah, well – his strike to walk ratio sucks, and gives up more than one hit per inning.
Posted: 09:55 AM on August 1, 2008
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they have someone like him already, clay condrey, so you need to make an upgrade there for a stretchj run.
youre are right that the phillies did get better by NOT getting arthur rhodes though, that was appropriately noted yesterday.
that guy will blow like 3-7 games for the marlins down the stretch.
Posted: 10:01 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
I agree that they should have added someone… but you know what the price tags were, maybe they felt like the Winter Meetings would get them more value since teams will be trying to get the Phillies prospects, instead of the Phillies trying to get the other teams’ veterans… if that makes any sense
Posted: 10:03 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
All I gotta say is put Jenkins on waivers.
Posted: 10:09 AM on August 1, 2008
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how about this from the Daily News…
The Chicago Tribune reports that three Cubs fans face felony battery charges after allegedly beating a White Sox fan so severely that he lost his right eye. The incident apparently started with taunting about his choice of teams to root for.
This is both sad and scary. Do we all need to be reminded that sports is supposed to be fun? And that, no matter what, it’s still only a game? *
Posted: 10:13 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
yeah i guess so. but thats where i think brett myers will be traded, hopefully the prospects they get will offset the ones they give up for a setup man.theyll have to get one on a waiver-trade here who can hold up for two months or so.
i doubt there will be setup men out there in free agency, there usually arent many of them. i think they have to trade for one whos younger and under team control for a little while. that should be a top 3 priority in the offseason
offseason: big name starter (ben sheets,etc), resign pat burrell (if you cant, you HAVE to replace him with someone of equal quality, no excuses), setupman, happ or carrasco will be ready next year:what to do with them, marson will be ready to come up.
lots of things on their plate in the offseason, they completely failed to handle all but two of them properly last offseason (lidge, feliz were good moves, th erest of their issues were not addressed at all).
so theyll be busy, or at least, they should be
Posted: 10:14 AM on August 1, 2008
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Do you think anyone would pick up Myers on waivers?
Posted: 10:16 AM on August 1, 2008
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you think jenkins would find a suitor if the phillies ate some of his salary? PLENTY of teams didnt get an OF at the deadline. the phillies should go get one of their own, because im sure whoever they get will be better than him. then you move him for a bad prospect or something and eat his salary. maybe ed wade wants him? he seems to think that the astros are in contention still…
Posted: 10:19 AM on August 1, 2008
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Myers has value, but only at the winter meetings. trading myers now is selling waaaaaaaay low. they shouldve made him into a setup man when he was in the minors. but now theyll have to hope he does well enough to warrant either keeping him or getting a good package for him in the winter.
id say make him their setupman going into next year BUT his contract is too high for that role in the team. therefore, youre not getting value there by paying your setup man 12mm (moneyball).
Posted: 10:22 AM on August 1, 2008
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haha I know Jenkins would get picked up off of waivers instantly. He’s a left handed power option off of the bench. I don’t think Myers would be picked up though.
Posted: 10:23 AM on August 1, 2008
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Why would the Phillies put Myers on waivers??
Posted: 10:25 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Salary dump. They should be looking to dump salary right now to sign Sabathia.
Posted: 10:26 AM on August 1, 2008
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They do need to resign Burrell unless they’re going to try and sign Vlad or Manny…
Posted: 10:29 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
I thought something was funny in response to the Moneyball aspect that some GMs use, but old school managers like LaRussa, Leyland, and Pinella think its more about what effort the players put into it.
Lou Piniella, Cubs Manager
“Statistics are like bikinis. They show a lot, but never everything.â€
http://www.theloveofsports.com/index.php/site/comments/top_20_baseball_quotes_of_all_time/
Its funny how to somet the Moneyball concept is the greatest thing ever, and to others they just want the right pieces and guys who can do the little things, like move runners over, and make pitchers work
Posted: 10:31 AM on August 1, 2008
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burrell on a 3 year contract is the best value. if they lose him, you HAVE to trade for someone as good at least and that costs prospects and thats why they didnt get anything done yesterday…
Posted: 10:32 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Who do you speculate will be available for trade next year?
Posted: 10:34 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Who is going to be a Free Agent after the 2009 season? A lot of times, those are the guys you target because if they team doesn’t think they can resign them, they might cut them loose for prospects instead of wait around on draft picks
Posted: 10:41 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
True Don M. Jason Bay comes to mind, so does Matt Holliday. You know the Rox will be dealing him during the winter meetings. He’ll be next years Johan Santana. They should just trade for him and extend his contract.
Posted: 10:44 AM on August 1, 2008
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I think you have to balance it. the marlins kind of do play moneyball though, maybe not as strict as beane does it, but they win with their philosophy. of course they have the best scouts though. moneyball is all about recofgnizing value when you see it and properly assinging current monetary value to certain tiers of statistics and player types. when a player exceeds those tiers, you either can elect to keep him at a higher value or you trade him for prospects. for small market teams, this is the bible basically. however, the phillies are not a small market team. the phillies should spend more money simply because theyre not good at that aspect of moneyball. if they had someone good at placing accurate value on players, theyd be able to win with their current payroll. because they cant do that properly they have to spend more to cover up for inadequacies. adam eaton and geoff jenkins are examples of bad value assignment. feliz is an example of good value because hes signed cheaply.
Posted: 10:44 AM on August 1, 2008
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Yea, but people want them to spend all this money all the time… that would mean we’d have Aaron Rowand at $10-million per season, and Alfonso Soriano at $18 M per season coming up… there would be no way to sign any ptichers, or keep any of your own young talent that develops…
I think we’re going to start seeing the contracts scale back down.. A-rod might go down as the best player in baseball history.. so he got a ton..
But teams are realizing the importance of yougn talent, signed cheaply..and then adding pieces around it, the Yankees $250 M payrolls didn’t work out for them
Posted: 10:51 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 NJ
The Phils could put Myers on waivers if things go downhill to gauge interest but lets not go there, Brett will continue to build on his last start (is the thought we all fall asleep to)
One for the nickname section: Adam’s just Beaton, the Phils are going to eat some salary there and cut him although I hope it’s not till ST next season, might as well have him lingering in the pen once the rosters open up.
Posted: 10:52 AM on August 1, 2008
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i hope youre right about that and i think they will scale down a bit.
youll see that in the nfl too. the salaries have gotten disgracefullyy outrageous.
11mm for carlos silva ruined baseball contracts and now they have to reset it.
the nhl players gaveback 25% of theri salaries to help get their sport back on track and its worked beautifully.
Posted: 10:53 AM on August 1, 2008
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i want them to spend their money too. if you cant keep aaron rowand, then you have to get someone as good as him but younger and cheaper. thats what ticked me off.
Posted: 10:54 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T.
yesterday, Eskin called the phillies ownership, “the most fraud ownership in sports today.”
Posted: 10:57 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
i think tahts why you didnt see alot of trades yesterday. normally theres a mad flurry of teams urinating away prospects for garbage.
that didnt really happen. you have to splurge on pitching because pitching is expensive. but the carlos sivla thing really screwed things up. the fact that the red sox have all taht pitching stashed away and didnt blow it all shows that they beleive in that too. theyre just better at it than others are. they ahve a little more wiggle room to splurge on elit players.
Posted: 10:58 AM on August 1, 2008
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i think tahts mostly true mike.
the priates owners have the best ballpark in mlb and they dont spend to its profit potential. they might be the worst.
Posted: 11:00 AM on August 1, 2008
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Victorino is filling in fine Geoff, whether you want to believe it or not.
AVG SLG OBP HR RBI R S
Rowand .287 .440 .351 9 55 43 2
Victorino .289 .441 .355 9 38 70 26
Who is having the better 08? Victorino is playing gold glove defense, he’s been a huge spark to the offense, when he’s on base you can tell he rattles pitchers, and he’s been trying to be a positive uplifting force on the team. Victorino was definitely a very good replacement for Rowand.
Posted: 11:02 AM on August 1, 2008
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Geoff don’t make me keep bustin out the Rowand vs. Victorino comparison this year… Victorino has better numbers in every catergory except RBIs… and he makes $9,120,000.00 less than Rowand this season
Posted: 11:02 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
i really do think they could spend 130-150mm per year no sweat. they choose not to.
they are ahppy with their position. otherwise, theyd have gutted the leadership of this oprganization years ago. amaro, arbuckle, all those bad scouts and bad trainers that screw up ALL THE TIME.
gillick is gone anyway, but they let ed wade stay around FOREVER. tahts inexcuseable. they were the worst pro sports franchise in north america under ed wade and theyve greatly improved under gillick, yes, but theyre clearly not prepared to make a full-time, all-out commitment to building a culture of winning and positivity.
Posted: 11:02 AM on August 1, 2008
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I was one step ahead of you Don M. Victorino has less RBI’s because he bats in the 2 hole.
Posted: 11:03 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 nick
I think Myers would be interesting to teams in need of a closer – let’s not forget he did quite well when he was in that spot.
Posted: 11:04 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
sure, hes fine in center, but they lost rbi production and they needed to get it back in a cost-effective way, they failed to do that when they signed jenkins.
im talking about, where are all of those RBI’s coming from now? feliz and jenkins? victorino is doing his part but there are holes of production there
Posted: 11:05 AM on August 1, 2008
Posts: 0 fred
Let Seanez bow out tonight by smacking Duncan in the head with his best fastball. Then it’s time to go find someone else of more value to the pen. On mlbtraderumors they’re speculating that Randy Winn can be had as no one will claim his salary. He’d be an nice addition to the OF and would cost nothing in terms of prospects.
Posted: 11:06 AM on August 1, 2008