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> <channel><title>Comments on: Rollins, Phils Put Nats Away</title> <atom:link href="http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/</link> <description>Your source for Phillies news, events, trade rumors, tickets, bars and other fun stuff.</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 12:16:34 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1</generator> <item><title>By: Don M</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/comment-page-3/#comment-23689</link> <dc:creator>Don M</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:26:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/#comment-23689</guid> <description>I think Lohse is having such a great year, ONLY because he is with Dave Duncan, who is probably going to get Hall-of-Fame consideration...as a freakin pitching coach!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Lohse is having such a great year, ONLY because he is with Dave Duncan, who is probably going to get Hall-of-Fame consideration&#8230;as a freakin pitching coach!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Geoff</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/comment-page-3/#comment-23687</link> <dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:22:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/#comment-23687</guid> <description>i get mad at the phillies because they do too much of this andy reid trade out of the first round were happy without own people nonsense.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i get mad at the phillies because they do too much of this andy reid trade out of the first round were happy without own people nonsense.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Geoff</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/comment-page-3/#comment-23686</link> <dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:21:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/#comment-23686</guid> <description>nevermind about the last line i forgot happ...unless they find someone better than him</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nevermind about the last line i forgot happ&#8230;unless they find someone better than him</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Geoff</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/comment-page-3/#comment-23684</link> <dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:20:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/#comment-23684</guid> <description>im still mad at them dont get me wrong.  theyd better get a setupman and an outfielder through waiver-trades.  and a starter if myers implodes again.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im still mad at them dont get me wrong.  theyd better get a setupman and an outfielder through waiver-trades.  and a starter if myers implodes again.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Geoff</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/comment-page-3/#comment-23682</link> <dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:18:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/#comment-23682</guid> <description>i dont understand why they didnt demand a compelte workup? it just doesnt make any sense.  players always get physicals and lab work and so forth when they get signed or traded, in every sport</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont understand why they didnt demand a compelte workup? it just doesnt make any sense.  players always get physicals and lab work and so forth when they get signed or traded, in every sport</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Don M</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/comment-page-3/#comment-23681</link> <dc:creator>Don M</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:18:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/#comment-23681</guid> <description>and Im not sure but isn&#039;t the &quot;trade&quot; for a waiver-player usually CASH back to that team, instead of giving them a prospect of yours, for someone that they are trying to dump?..the only thing that might suck is that if the Phillies are ahead of the Mets and Marlins... and say the Braves put Ohman on waivers..the team with the worst records gets him.. maybe first place isn&#039;t where we want to be right now..?? I&#039;m joking about that of course, but it could come back to bite whoever is up by 0.5 games at the time</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and Im not sure but isn&#8217;t the &#8220;trade&#8221; for a waiver-player usually CASH back to that team, instead of giving them a prospect of yours, for someone that they are trying to dump?..</p><p>the only thing that might suck is that if the Phillies are ahead of the Mets and Marlins&#8230; and say the Braves put Ohman on waivers..the team with the worst records gets him.. maybe first place isn&#8217;t where we want to be right now..?? I&#8217;m joking about that of course, but it could come back to bite whoever is up by 0.5 games at the time</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Don M</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/comment-page-3/#comment-23680</link> <dc:creator>Don M</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:16:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/#comment-23680</guid> <description>I have no idea why it was &quot;common place&quot; for teams not to pitchers MRIs, and extensive physicals before making a trade.. but that comes from an outside source too, its not like it was the Phillies brass saying that.. which maybe eases the pain a little..They have done a great job in the past 2 years of acuiring helpful pieces through waivers... I expect them to do that again this year.  and if they do that, while not paying the high price they would have at the deadline.. we need to give them credit for being smary once again.. we shall see</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea why it was &#8220;common place&#8221; for teams not to pitchers MRIs, and extensive physicals before making a trade.. but that comes from an outside source too, its not like it was the Phillies brass saying that.. which maybe eases the pain a little..</p><p>They have done a great job in the past 2 years of acuiring helpful pieces through waivers&#8230; I expect them to do that again this year.  and if they do that, while not paying the high price they would have at the deadline.. we need to give them credit for being smary once again.. we shall see</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Geoff</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/comment-page-3/#comment-23679</link> <dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:16:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/#comment-23679</guid> <description>im defending the idea of going out and getting someone.  but the fact that they got him so easily and they didnt examine him was so shady.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im defending the idea of going out and getting someone.  but the fact that they got him so easily and they didnt examine him was so shady.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Geoff</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/comment-page-3/#comment-23676</link> <dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:14:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/#comment-23676</guid> <description>i was surpsied that they gave up so much for garland.  the angels were getting rid of cabrera but still...thats a lot for garland.  does anyone have a list of the people available durnng the offseason i forget the rest...it was a BAD year for FA&#039;s, but i thought there were a few more guys open for trading...i know the phillies had no shot at santana so i wont even say it...i wouldve accepted kyly loshe getting the 4 yeras he asked for.  i didnt know hed be this good but i thought, tahts a fine guy to have in there.  the fact they didnt get him led me to believe that theyd have probelms this year with their rotation.  namely because adam eaton was still here..</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was surpsied that they gave up so much for garland.  the angels were getting rid of cabrera but still&#8230;thats a lot for garland.  does anyone have a list of the people available durnng the offseason i forget the rest&#8230;</p><p>it was a BAD year for FA&#8217;s, but i thought there were a few more guys open for trading&#8230;i know the phillies had no shot at santana so i wont even say it&#8230;</p><p>i wouldve accepted kyly loshe getting the 4 yeras he asked for.  i didnt know hed be this good but i thought, tahts a fine guy to have in there.  the fact they didnt get him led me to believe that theyd have probelms this year with their rotation.  namely because adam eaton was still here..</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Don M</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/comment-page-3/#comment-23674</link> <dc:creator>Don M</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:13:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/#comment-23674</guid> <description>No.. i was providing insight to the fact that I thought geoff&#039;s claim that the Phillies have &quot;bad trainers&quot; had no facts behind it.Garcia sucked.. and his velocity was down, but he was a top-of-the-rotation, innings-eater, with post-season experience...They took a shot, it went down in flames..I just can&#039;t stand that people continually bash this team, but then when you ask them what things they would have done differently.. there aren&#039;t too many good answers...As I have been saying all along.. they&#039;ve imrpoved since Gillick got here..and to me, it looks as though they will keep improving for the next few years.  If 3 years from now, that still hasn&#039;t gotten you any closer to the goal.. a World Series title.. then you think about starting over.. but not now, not when you are getting to where you want to be</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.. i was providing insight to the fact that I thought geoff&#8217;s claim that the Phillies have &#8220;bad trainers&#8221; had no facts behind it.</p><p>Garcia sucked.. and his velocity was down, but he was a top-of-the-rotation, innings-eater, with post-season experience&#8230;</p><p>They took a shot, it went down in flames..</p><p>I just can&#8217;t stand that people continually bash this team, but then when you ask them what things they would have done differently.. there aren&#8217;t too many good answers&#8230;</p><p>As I have been saying all along.. they&#8217;ve imrpoved since Gillick got here..and to me, it looks as though they will keep improving for the next few years.  If 3 years from now, that still hasn&#8217;t gotten you any closer to the goal.. a World Series title.. then you think about starting over.. but not now, not when you are getting to where you want to be</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rob</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/comment-page-3/#comment-23671</link> <dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:10:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/#comment-23671</guid> <description>Think it&#039;s common practice for the Phillies now to give MRI to players they sign for $10mm?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think it&#8217;s common practice for the Phillies now to give MRI to players they sign for $10mm?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rob</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/comment-page-3/#comment-23669</link> <dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:09:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/#comment-23669</guid> <description>For $10mm you check EVERYTHING. EVERYTIME. Something was not right in this deal.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For $10mm you check EVERYTHING. EVERYTIME. Something was not right in this deal.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rob</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/comment-page-3/#comment-23668</link> <dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:08:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/#comment-23668</guid> <description>I can&#039;t tell if you are actually defending the Phillies Garcia move.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t tell if you are actually defending the Phillies Garcia move.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Geoff</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/comment-page-3/#comment-23667</link> <dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:08:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/#comment-23667</guid> <description>there are a lot of high priced people out there ready to get waiver-traded.  mlbtr has a preliminary list of people.  they can still get a setup man off of that list acutally.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there are a lot of high priced people out there ready to get waiver-traded.  mlbtr has a preliminary list of people.  they can still get a setup man off of that list acutally.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Geoff</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/comment-page-3/#comment-23666</link> <dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:06:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/#comment-23666</guid> <description>maybe im blaming the trainers too much for garcia.  if they looked at him at all, they wouldve (right?) recommended a more thorough examination.i am left wondering...were the trainers even allowed to look at him?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe im blaming the trainers too much for garcia.  if they looked at him at all, they wouldve (right?) recommended a more thorough examination.</p><p>i am left wondering&#8230;were the trainers even allowed to look at him?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Don M</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/comment-page-3/#comment-23665</link> <dc:creator>Don M</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:04:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/#comment-23665</guid> <description>Thank you by the way!!    THIS leads to good discussions, because I think they gave up a GOLD GLOVE winning SS to get Garland... who gives up a decent amount of HRs, has a 4.40 career ERA... 1.43 career WHIP...and career Opponents Batting Average is .272 !!!   That, to me, would not have been better than Myers..They were in talks with the Orioles about Bedard, but from all accounts, the Mariners gave up WAY too much to get him, and now regret it.. so the Orioles wouldn&#039;t have given him up unless we mad an even better offer than the Mariners.. and we would have KILLED them for that!I dont know what the hell happend on Garcia, but Im pretty sure that the trainers didn&#039;t examine him ...       here is the article i just found on that, from the seattle timeshttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2003753226_seam19.html&quot;The Phillies, as is common practice, did not give Garcia an MRI before accepting him in a December trade with the White Sox for pitching prospects Gio Gonzalez and Gavin Floyd. They relied on White Sox medical staff reports. Nothing unusual showed up in Garcia&#039;s spring-training physical, which also did not include an MRI.Garcia missed his first two starts of the season with right biceps tendinitis. Exams after his start in Kansas City revealed labrum damage and rotator cuff fraying.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you by the way!!    THIS leads to good discussions, because I think they gave up a GOLD GLOVE winning SS to get Garland&#8230; who gives up a decent amount of HRs, has a 4.40 career ERA&#8230; 1.43 career WHIP&#8230;and career Opponents Batting Average is .272 !!!   That, to me, would not have been better than Myers..</p><p>They were in talks with the Orioles about Bedard, but from all accounts, the Mariners gave up WAY too much to get him, and now regret it.. so the Orioles wouldn&#8217;t have given him up unless we mad an even better offer than the Mariners.. and we would have KILLED them for that!</p><p>I dont know what the hell happend on Garcia, but Im pretty sure that the trainers didn&#8217;t examine him &#8230;       here is the article i just found on that, from the seattle times</p><p><a
href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2003753226_seam19.html" rel="nofollow">http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2003753226_seam19.html</a></p><p>&#8220;The Phillies, as is common practice, did not give Garcia an MRI before accepting him in a December trade with the White Sox for pitching prospects Gio Gonzalez and Gavin Floyd. They relied on White Sox medical staff reports. Nothing unusual showed up in Garcia&#8217;s spring-training physical, which also did not include an MRI.</p><p>Garcia missed his first two starts of the season with right biceps tendinitis. Exams after his start in Kansas City revealed labrum damage and rotator cuff fraying.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Geoff</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/comment-page-3/#comment-23663</link> <dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:52:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/#comment-23663</guid> <description>yes it does.  heres the problem...they just missed the playoffs the two years before that.  throw in lasr year, giv ethem two more years after this year.  windows last for 5 years as they did with the eagles.  the eagles revived it a bit but only because of jeff garcia.  they were already done at that point in time.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes it does.  heres the problem&#8230;they just missed the playoffs the two years before that.  throw in lasr year, giv ethem two more years after this year.  windows last for 5 years as they did with the eagles.  the eagles revived it a bit but only because of jeff garcia.  they were already done at that point in time.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Geoff</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/comment-page-3/#comment-23661</link> <dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:51:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/#comment-23661</guid> <description>im trying to find a list of other people available at the time.  willis was avilable but that wasnt even a good idea then because we all knew he was overrated from our experiences against him.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im trying to find a list of other people available at the time.  willis was avilable but that wasnt even a good idea then because we all knew he was overrated from our experiences against him.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Geoff</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/comment-page-3/#comment-23660</link> <dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:48:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/#comment-23660</guid> <description>lidge is 30/31 already, bye the way..the easiest place to start was to not insult kyle lohse with a weak offer.  they insulted him so bad that he took a lesser offer just to spite them and so taht he can get a big money offer this year.garland was available, bedard was available...you dont know they wouldnt have had better seasons here because its a different set of circumstances.  bedard mght not even be injured right now, you dont know that.since i didnt have a problem with the lidge move, im not going to offfer another closer.  because i never said i disliked the lidge trade.  i loved it.  obviously..the problem i had was i KNEW that theyd pass it off the way they did, as, oh we dont need to go out and get a top flight guy.  and i didnt like that at all.  from the start, i knew it wasnt enough.  now i obviously did NOT think that myers would be as bad as he was.  i thought hed win 14 games and be solid.  but i still felt theyd need to replace eaton.they have bad trainers because they signed off on garcia without being thorough at all.  they always seem to fail to recognize an injury until its painfully obvious on the field.  they let tom gordon go out there and blow a few games before accepting that yes he is indeed injured.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lidge is 30/31 already, bye the way..</p><p>the easiest place to start was to not insult kyle lohse with a weak offer.  they insulted him so bad that he took a lesser offer just to spite them and so taht he can get a big money offer this year.</p><p>garland was available, bedard was available&#8230;you dont know they wouldnt have had better seasons here because its a different set of circumstances.  bedard mght not even be injured right now, you dont know that.</p><p>since i didnt have a problem with the lidge move, im not going to offfer another closer.  because i never said i disliked the lidge trade.  i loved it.  obviously..the problem i had was i KNEW that theyd pass it off the way they did, as, oh we dont need to go out and get a top flight guy.  and i didnt like that at all.  from the start, i knew it wasnt enough.  now i obviously did NOT think that myers would be as bad as he was.  i thought hed win 14 games and be solid.  but i still felt theyd need to replace eaton.</p><p>they have bad trainers because they signed off on garcia without being thorough at all.  they always seem to fail to recognize an injury until its painfully obvious on the field.  they let tom gordon go out there and blow a few games before accepting that yes he is indeed injured.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Don M</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/comment-page-3/#comment-23659</link> <dc:creator>Don M</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:39:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/08/rollins-phils-put-nats-away/#comment-23659</guid> <description>well you guys are talking about how the window is already closing on a team that just got to the window-sill last season.. doesn&#039;t it usually stay open for a couple seasons?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well you guys are talking about how the window is already closing on a team that just got to the window-sill last season.. doesn&#8217;t it usually stay open for a couple seasons?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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