Comments on: Burrell’s Slump Hits A Low With 5-K Game http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/ Your source for Phillies news, events, trade rumors, tickets, bars and other fun stuff. Fri, 25 May 2012 12:54:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: MikeBhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/comment-page-1/#comment-40185 MikeB Thu, 18 Sep 2008 02:49:35 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/#comment-40185 Manuel needs to go with Dobbs, Stairs and Jenkins depending on the game situation. Burrell looks physically exhausted right now. He is not eating his Wheaties and taking his vitamins.Whether Burrell returns to the Phillies next year or not, his future is in the American League as a DH and part-time player. Manuel needs to go with Dobbs, Stairs and Jenkins depending on the game situation. Burrell looks physically exhausted right now. He is not eating his Wheaties and taking his vitamins.

Whether Burrell returns to the Phillies next year or not, his future is in the American League as a DH and part-time player.

]]> By: KMhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/comment-page-1/#comment-39937 KM Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:23:13 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/#comment-39937 Philsfan,Until recently I was not a fan of starting Werth everyday, but I feel he could get us 25 of the 30 home runs Pat was getting per year, and, depending on where he hits in the lineup, 100 runs scored or 80 or so rbis. Those number would be equal to, or superior to Burrell's stats. Werth would score more runs, play better defense, and add speed to the position. Plus, he would be a hell of a lot cheaper given that he is already under contract. Philsfan,

Until recently I was not a fan of starting Werth everyday, but I feel he could get us 25 of the 30 home runs Pat was getting per year, and, depending on where he hits in the lineup, 100 runs scored or 80 or so rbis. Those number would be equal to, or superior to Burrell’s stats. Werth would score more runs, play better defense, and add speed to the position. Plus, he would be a hell of a lot cheaper given that he is already under contract.

]]> By: KMhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/comment-page-1/#comment-39935 KM Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:19:43 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/#comment-39935 joey nooch,My whole point is that Burrell is NOT a run producer - His numbers are hollow, and he doesn't produce too much other than his solo homeruns; He doesn't know what timely hitting is.Also, I understand that salary is determined on demand, but I feel we will be better off with a contact bat in LF(or RF if they decide to move werth to LF next season) because Burrell is not in demand to the tune of 15mil/year. You would assume that the 5 hole hitter in this lineup would be raking in the runs with guys life Rollins, Victorino, Werth, Utley in front of him, but unless the bases are empty, Pat isin't interested. joey nooch,

My whole point is that Burrell is NOT a run producer – His numbers are hollow, and he doesn’t produce too much other than his solo homeruns; He doesn’t know what timely hitting is.

Also, I understand that salary is determined on demand, but I feel we will be better off with a contact bat in LF(or RF if they decide to move werth to LF next season) because Burrell is not in demand to the tune of 15mil/year. You would assume that the 5 hole hitter in this lineup would be raking in the runs with guys life Rollins, Victorino, Werth, Utley in front of him, but unless the bases are empty, Pat isin’t interested.

]]> By: mikehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/comment-page-1/#comment-39930 mike Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:11:31 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/#comment-39930 I would start Matt Stairs tonight, the guy is a professional hitter and will DEFINITELY not strike out 5 times, if i am good ole' chuckles this is my lineup this evening vs JurrjensRollins Utley Werth Howard Victorino Dobbs Stairs Coste Happwe clearly need to put some offense up, because i do not think anyone expect J.A. to go 8 shutout innings, Should be an interesting evening. I would start Matt Stairs tonight, the guy is a professional hitter and will DEFINITELY not strike out 5 times, if i am good ole’ chuckles this is my lineup this evening vs Jurrjens

Rollins
Utley
Werth
Howard
Victorino
Dobbs
Stairs
Coste
Happ

we clearly need to put some offense up, because i do not think anyone expect J.A. to go 8 shutout innings, Should be an interesting evening.

]]> By: philsphanhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/comment-page-1/#comment-39918 philsphan Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:47:03 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/#comment-39918 Burrell has been a hot-cold player the last couple of seasons. He had a great start so most people thought he would have a great season but with this long slump he is averaging back to his career norms. I still think the Phillies should sign him, how else are they going to get 30 HRs, 100 RBIs from a RH hitter? Let him walk and sign Manny?I would sit Burrell tonight and start Matt Stairs in his place. I would start Dobbs at 3rd as well. Burrell has been a hot-cold player the last couple of seasons. He had a great start so most people thought he would have a great season but with this long slump he is averaging back to his career norms. I still think the Phillies should sign him, how else are they going to get 30 HRs, 100 RBIs from a RH hitter? Let him walk and sign Manny?

I would sit Burrell tonight and start Matt Stairs in his place. I would start Dobbs at 3rd as well.

]]> By: Chris.Ihttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/comment-page-1/#comment-39909 Chris.I Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:04:27 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/#comment-39909 Jenkins? Over Dobbs? I'd start Dobbs in the OF before Jenkins anyday. Jenkins? Over Dobbs? I’d start Dobbs in the OF before Jenkins anyday.

]]> By: Arihttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/comment-page-1/#comment-39903 Ari Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:51:38 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/#comment-39903 Give him some days off. We've seen how he can produce at times, he just seems tired. Give him some days off. We’ve seen how he can produce at times, he just seems tired.

]]> By: JoeyNoochhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/comment-page-1/#comment-39875 JoeyNooch Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:17:57 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/#comment-39875 KM- your salary isnt about your ability, its about your demand. I dont think anyone has argued that burrell is better than utley or david wright, but the phillies need a run producer in the lineup on the rightside and if it costs them 15 mil then they should pay it, else they wont be competitive in the NL. Werth is a nice player but not consistently a 5 hole hitter and Im not ready to throw Golson in there. If we do part ways with Pat we need a rightie to pick up his run production. KM- your salary isnt about your ability, its about your demand. I dont think anyone has argued that burrell is better than utley or david wright, but the phillies need a run producer in the lineup on the rightside and if it costs them 15 mil then they should pay it, else they wont be competitive in the NL. Werth is a nice player but not consistently a 5 hole hitter and Im not ready to throw Golson in there. If we do part ways with Pat we need a rightie to pick up his run production.

]]> By: J-Manhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/comment-page-1/#comment-39873 J-Man Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:51:50 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/#comment-39873 Pat needs a couple of days off i say you gotta bench him the rest of this series and give Jenkins start. Pat needs a couple of days off i say you gotta bench him the rest of this series and give Jenkins start.

]]> By: Sean P.http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/comment-page-1/#comment-39867 Sean P. Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:11:47 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/#comment-39867 Let Pat rest for a day...Looking at his splits its suprising he doesn't hit more home runs at CBP. This may come as a suprise, but he's hit almost twice as many home runs away (20) then at home (10)! Furthermore he's hitting .284 away and .223 at home?!?!?! Let Pat rest for a day…

Looking at his splits its suprising he doesn’t hit more home runs at CBP. This may come as a suprise, but he’s hit almost twice as many home runs away (20) then at home (10)! Furthermore he’s hitting .284 away and .223 at home?!?!?!

]]> By: Burthttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/comment-page-1/#comment-39866 Burt Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:09:19 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/#comment-39866 Pat Burrell's Platinum Sombrero (five strikeouts in a single game) was just the fifth one in Phillies history. Even Ryan Howard has not accomplished this dubious feat. Last time it happened by a Phil was in 1999-Scott Rolen. By the way, Geoff Jenkins once struck out 6 times in a game with the Brewers (17 innings). Burrell is hitting .147 (11 for 75) with one homer and four RBIs in 19 games since Aug. 24. His .147 average is the worst in the National League and second-worst in baseball (Chicago White Sox outfielder Nick Swisher is hitting .121) in that span. He is costing himself hundreds of thousands of dollars with each flailing at-bat Pat Burrell’s Platinum Sombrero (five strikeouts in a single game) was just the fifth one in Phillies history. Even Ryan Howard has not accomplished this dubious feat. Last time it happened by a Phil was in 1999-Scott Rolen. By the way, Geoff Jenkins once struck out 6 times in a game with the Brewers (17 innings). Burrell is hitting .147 (11 for 75) with one homer and four RBIs in 19 games since Aug. 24. His .147 average is the worst in the National League and second-worst in baseball (Chicago White Sox outfielder Nick Swisher is hitting .121) in that span. He is costing himself hundreds of thousands of dollars with each flailing at-bat

]]> By: KMhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/comment-page-1/#comment-39865 KM Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:04:01 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/#comment-39865 If I am in the hierarchy of the Phillies' management, Pat Burrell has played himself out of town. With this lineup, and the guys getting on in front of him consistently for the last 3-4 years he should be averaging 120rbis annually, instead of his hollow 90-95rbis he's been getting. Burrell is a non-clutch player, and doesn't deserve that 13-17 million he is going to get per year with his next contract. I am going to throw a number out there(besides his poor average with runners in scoring position) that supports my theory that Burell's homeruns are hollow, and he is not clutch player deserving of ANOTHER big money deal.When it comes to runs produced(the formula = runs scored + rbis - homeruns), Pat Burrell has a score of 119 through 147 games. A few players with comparable homerun numbers and way better runs produced numbers are: David Wright(31HR) the league leader who has a score of 190, through 148 games; and Chase Utley(31HR) at 166 through 149 games.Considering the difference in runs produced numbers, and the comparable amount of homeruns between the players, it shows that most of Burrell's homeruns come from non-clutch situations, with no runners on base. If I am in the hierarchy of the Phillies’ management, Pat Burrell has played himself out of town. With this lineup, and the guys getting on in front of him consistently for the last 3-4 years he should be averaging 120rbis annually, instead of his hollow 90-95rbis he’s been getting. Burrell is a non-clutch player, and doesn’t deserve that 13-17 million he is going to get per year with his next contract. I am going to throw a number out there(besides his poor average with runners in scoring position) that supports my theory that Burell’s homeruns are hollow, and he is not clutch player deserving of ANOTHER big money deal.

When it comes to runs produced(the formula = runs scored + rbis – homeruns), Pat Burrell has a score of 119 through 147 games. A few players with comparable homerun numbers and way better runs produced numbers are: David Wright(31HR) the league leader who has a score of 190, through 148 games; and Chase Utley(31HR) at 166 through 149 games.

Considering the difference in runs produced numbers, and the comparable amount of homeruns between the players, it shows that most of Burrell’s homeruns come from non-clutch situations, with no runners on base.

]]> By: MA Phanatichttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/comment-page-1/#comment-39864 MA Phanatic Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:01:08 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/#comment-39864 hmmm good point The Hearn. If your video game player can do it, so can Pat the Bat...btw, how long has it taken you to play those first 2 major league seasons? hmmm good point The Hearn. If your video game player can do it, so can Pat the Bat…

btw, how long has it taken you to play those first 2 major league seasons?

]]> By: The Hearnhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/comment-page-1/#comment-39863 The Hearn Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:56:57 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/#comment-39863 Everybody has an off game here and there. Even my future-hall-of-fame video game player, with a lifetime average of .484 and 113 home runs in 284 games over his first 2 major league seasons, lost his 42-game hitting streak with an 0 for 4 mishap.Pat's even streakier than most. Should he be benched for a game or two? Probably. Should we start drawing conclusions about his ability to produce for an entire year, based on a few games of looking haggard at the plate? Nah. Everybody has an off game here and there. Even my future-hall-of-fame video game player, with a lifetime average of .484 and 113 home runs in 284 games over his first 2 major league seasons, lost his 42-game hitting streak with an 0 for 4 mishap.

Pat’s even streakier than most. Should he be benched for a game or two? Probably. Should we start drawing conclusions about his ability to produce for an entire year, based on a few games of looking haggard at the plate? Nah.

]]> By: JoeyNoochhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/comment-page-1/#comment-39862 JoeyNooch Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:48:28 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/#comment-39862 I would sit him against RH Pitching the rest of the regular season and put in stairs or jenkins and have him pinch hit in those games. I would hate to see Pat to leave town on such a negative note after such a good 1st half if this is in fact his last year here. I would sit him against RH Pitching the rest of the regular season and put in stairs or jenkins and have him pinch hit in those games. I would hate to see Pat to leave town on such a negative note after such a good 1st half if this is in fact his last year here.

]]> By: RiVLezhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/comment-page-1/#comment-39861 RiVLez Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:47:14 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/#comment-39861 If you really look at it. Burrell's numbers this year are comparable to his career numbers. He's only a .257 career hitter. What more are you expecting from him? If you really look at it. Burrell’s numbers this year are comparable to his career numbers. He’s only a .257 career hitter. What more are you expecting from him?

]]> By: Gary Bhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/comment-page-1/#comment-39859 Gary B Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:40:41 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/#comment-39859 Watching the game last night, you could see how lost he was. He was way late on some 86 MPH fastballs...now that's a problem. Give him a rest, get Jenkins or Stairs in there and see what they can do, I doubt Stairs will strike out 5 times in 5 at bats... Watching the game last night, you could see how lost he was. He was way late on some 86 MPH fastballs…now that’s a problem. Give him a rest, get Jenkins or Stairs in there and see what they can do, I doubt Stairs will strike out 5 times in 5 at bats…

]]> By: Philhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/comment-page-1/#comment-39858 Phil Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:35:19 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/#comment-39858 I think you need to bench him for a game or two. He's completely lost out there. Without Howard shouldering the load, a pitiful performance like that by Burrell will eventually cost us some games. I think you need to bench him for a game or two. He’s completely lost out there. Without Howard shouldering the load, a pitiful performance like that by Burrell will eventually cost us some games.

]]> By: Jackhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/comment-page-1/#comment-39855 Jack Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:28:42 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/09/burrells-slump-hits-a-low-with-5-k-game/#comment-39855 Have you seen Pat the Bat's weary face lately. My guess is drugs. Perhaps greenies? I don't know but he definitely looks wiped out. Have you seen Pat the Bat’s weary face lately. My guess is drugs. Perhaps greenies? I don’t know but he definitely looks wiped out.

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