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Commentary: The End? I Just Can’t Tell

Posted by Tim Malcolm, Thu, September 04, 2008 10:42 AM | Comments: 97
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I wasn’t just trying to be funny by writing about The Doors “The End” during the Nationals’ rally last night. It really happened. The song seeped into my brain as Ryan Zimmerman and crew knocked Chad Durbin around.

The end? I hope not (and I don’t think so) — but why else would the song magically appear?

Last night’s loss to the Nationals served as a microcosm of the season so far. In broad terms, the Phils got out to an early lead, fought a bit to reclaim the lead, held it for a while, then were tied, then blew the lead big time before unsuccessfully clawing back late.

But specifically, the warts were again out in full view. Starting pitching, while not completely bad, wasn’t effective enough. Relief pitching was overtaxed. The back of the offense did nothing. Things the Phillies really needed down the stretch — an experienced setup man, a bat for the bottom of the order — were painfully missing.

You can’t drop two games to the Washington Nationals. You just can’t. Not when the Mets are beating everything in sight. Not when a three-game deficit suddenly resembles a six- or seven-game deficit.

And it does — this Mets team seems more composed and relaxed than last year’s bumbling mafia. The Phillies? Tired (now it’s the pitching). There’s always something wrong with this team.

But there’s always hope. Sept. 5, 2007, the Phils dropped a late lead to the Braves, maybe the worst loss of that season. They were five behind the Mets after that game. They actually went to seven behind a week later. But we know the rest of that story.

With just over 20 games to play, there’s absolutely still a chance the Phils can overtake the Mets, or the Brewers, or whatever, to take a playoff spot. We were all packing it in on Sept. 5, 2007. Now here we are, almost a year later, and the situation is eerily similar.

Is it really the end? Or is this team going to channel 2007?

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  • Posts: 0 Eb

    The defination of Philly Fan according to the media, is anyone who will throw snowballs at santa clause, stupid lazy media.

    The Brew Crew is falling apart, potential for a wilcard, and the Mets being up by 3 games is not some insurmountable task..

    Hell I wouldnt mind getting the wild card and taking the cubs on. Big Z and Harden could be hurt, that goes a long way.

    I heard along with being a kick ass Alaskonian and NRA member, I heard Palin throws a mean 12-6 Curve. SIGN HER UP

     
  • Posts: 0 Ben

    Phillies still need to figure out how to win to do ANYTHING!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 RiVLez

    If the Mets take 2 out of 3 they are up only 4 games not 5. Add it up next time.

    Anth Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 11:10 am
    They will not be back. I expect the Mets to take 2 of 3, and put the Phils 5 games out with less then 20 to go. I don’t think the Brewers are going to lose the wild card either. What a disappointment.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Somebody asked me how I keep such a positive outlook… and I responded that I do keep a positive outlook because thats what fans are supposed to do.

    I’m a fan of this team win or lose, and of course I’d rather see them win, but the majority of people that post on here think the world is about to end if the phils lose a game or a series.. but then think the phils are the greatest thing since sliced bread when they win..

    And if it doesn’t make a difference having a positive or a realistic/negative viewpoint.. why not be positive-just-because?

    Im not stupid, I know this team has holes.. but I also know that every other team has holes too, and every other team signs guys that underperform, and guys that produce more than expected, and managers that look smart when a move works, and dumb when a move doesn’t …

     
  • Posts: 0 Richie

    Agreed, and well put Don. I do think if we do not make it this year and we cannot gain that swagger back that we had by mid-year next year, Charlie has to go.

     
  • Posts: 0 RiVLez

    Don M you put it perfect. I’ve been a Mets fan for 20 years and have seen some terrible ass teams but I’m still a Mets fan and always will be. If I was like a lot of the people out there, I would’ve given up after the Mets historic collapse.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I said before, and many times.. that if this team doesn’t make the playoffs, they need to make some changes.. But i still think they’re making the Phillies.. and will continue to think that unless they are eliminated… We are a better team than the Mets, and I think we’re better than the Cubs too.

    No team from the NL WEST scares me that much.. Brewers are tough if you have to face Sabathia and Sheets.. but overall, top to bottom, I think we’re better than them too

     
  • Posts: 0 RiVLez

    LOL I know what the problem is. Rollins didn’t give a prediction and Beltran did. HAHAHAHAHAHA.

     
  • Posts: 0 RiVLez

    Don M you really think the Phillies are a better team than the Mets? Can you explain?

     
  • Posts: 0 Georgie

    Now I have gone and done something VERY positive-I pulled my circa 1980 pink “Phillies Fever” t-shirt from the bottom of my cedar chest. It is threadbare and a little tight, but I will work it for all its magic this weekend. PHILLIES FEVER!!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I think we have better starting pitching, a better bullpen.. and not as many hot-dogs.

    Our pitching overall has been great lately..

    And if you go position-by-position.. the Mets win at 3b hands down.. and you can make solid arguements for either team at every other position.. we did that before so no point bringing all that back up.

    I just really dont think the Mets are that good, but again, Im a Phillies fan

     
  • Posts: 0 RiVLez

    Phillies don’t have better starting pitching, that is fact. Just look up the stats, it’s not close. Their bullpen has been way better than the Mets bullpen even though they have blown some recently. The only reason the Mets are in this shitty mess that they are in is because they have 22 blown leads by the bullpen. Offensively the Mets are better in all Categories besides HR’s, obviously Shea is not CBP. I just found an interesting stat online, the Mets are the best in the NL Pitching when the opposing team has the bases loaded.

     
  • Posts: 0 RiVLez

    Some pitching stats:

    Phillies Bullpen: ERA 3.15
    Mets Bullpen : ERA 4.13

    Phillies Complete Pitching: ERA 3.88
    Mets Complete Pitching: ERA 3.96

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Hamels, Myers, Moyer, and Blanton have been awesome lately

    Santana is awesome, Pedro is not, Pelfrey is good, Perez has been much better than expected, Maine is going to be solid his entire career..

    Outside of Santana, any phillies pitcher listed can outpitch any of the Mets guys.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    But im sure over the past month or whatever our Bullpen is much worse. and our starters are much better…

    Overall, i think the lack of consistency in our offense is hurting us, and our pitching has been very good all year

     
  • Posts: 0 Phil Thadelphia

    > can they come back? yes. will the mets choke up the lead
    > again? probably.

    I hate to break it to you, Geoff… but there is no Easter Bunny.

    “Probably”? PROBABLY??? What’s the basis for a once-in-a-lifetime event “probably” occurring twice in consecutive years? How many consecutive collapses have the Phillies had after 1964′s ’10 Game Phlop’?

     
  • Posts: 0 RiVLez

    I think the Phillies starting pitching is not nearly as good as the Mets. I really think outside of Hamels there is not a solid #2. Hamels is just amazing, he has some great #’s this year. Myers is mediocre and looks completely lost at times. Moyer is solid, you know exactly what you will get out of him. Blanton, I thought would eat innings and be way better in the NL but that really hasn’t been seen yet. The Phillies bullpen has just been amazing though. A 3.15 ERA is simply amazing and i’m sure got to be the best in baseball.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I’m not going to lie and say I watch the Mets a lot… but you obviously haven’t been watching the Phillies lately… Myers has been nothing short of FILTHY since he returned from the minors.. Moyer has had mostly Quality Starts all season.. and Blanton has walked more people than we expected, but he’s also done a very good job of keep this team in ballgames since he got here..

    Should’ve beaten the Cubs on Friday, but he got hosed by some terrible calls by the umpires. he had a tough game last night, because he allowed 9 baserunners in 4 innings… he was only at 85 pitches or so though, so if they needed to, they could’ve got 2 more from him … so im not going to tell you that was great. But his 2 previous starts. 5.1 against the Cubs, with only 2 ER, against the Dodgers, he went 6 innings, and gave up only 1 ER. (the same Dodgers team that jumped all over Brandon Webb last week)

     
  • Posts: 0 Richie

    To be honest RiVLez if you are a Mets fan, what would bring you to a “Phillies Nation” site, I wouldn’t even think about going on a Mets site. Maybe it is built up anger and embarassment from choking last year, praying that they don’t do the same this year, so that you can get all the air back in your heads that was sucked out last year. That is just my opinion, but something tells me I’m right on. I would be willing to bet anything that come October when the Phils have beat out the Mets again, Mr RiveLz will be nowhere to be found on this site. Can I be more right about that? Do all Mets fans have a big blue pillow that they cry on??

     
  • Posts: 0 RiVLez

    The only thing I have to say this is 2008 not 2007. This is a way different team than last year. Reyes was just pitiful in August and September and statistically the Mets don’t do well if he doesn’t do well. So far he has been great in August and last year the Mets got beat up by the Phillies. 2007 Phillies won 12 of 18 games against the Mets and this year the Mets have won 10 of 15.

     
  • Posts: 0 RiVLez

    Richie, I go to many baseball blogs and love to read what fans have to say about their team. I have no embarassment, I didn’t play for the Mets and i’m not praying the Mets don’t collapse this year again. Whatever happens is going to happen regardless of what I do. Richie how are you so sure to think that the Phillies are going to win the division? Can you tell the future? It’s great you are confident in the Phillies as I am also and believe we will have a fight to the finish just as last year. I have been on this site for the past couple of years on and off as well as many other blogs and will continue to do so regardless what happens today, tomorrow or next month.

     
  • Posts: 0 Richie

    Glad to hear that RiveLz and I respect that, but their are several shallow compadres of yours that come on this site and speak with no sense, and do not have any heart. I respect you for that, but there are few and far between with loyal and intelligent Met fans. Do I think the Phillies will win, of course, do I think it is a foregone conclusion, no way. Will I live and die by them, yes. I truly do believe though that September comes down to good pitching(starting and bullpen), the Phillies have less runs allowed on the year, but September is a whole new ballgame.We shall see!!

     
  • Posts: 0 RiVLez

    I’m assuming you mean morons like Mr Met. I don’t say things just because I am a Mets fan. I say things because I believe it makes baseball sense. The one thing I can say is, I will definitely enjoy the series this weekend sitting on the edge of my seat! Going to be a fun September guys.

     
  • Posts: 0 Rich the Mets Fan

    “With just over 20 games to play, there’s absolutely still a chance the Phils can overtake the Mets, or the Brewers, or whatever, to take a playoff spot. We were all packing it in on Sept. 5, 2007. Now here we are, almost a year later, and the situation is eerily similar.”

    Tim, your intentions are noble, but the situation this year is not eerily similar to what happened a year ago. For one thing, the 2007 Mets had everything to lose after a strong playoff appearance the previous season and being tagged the early favorites. The Phils then, in contrast, had nothing to lose and everything to gain. They were the underdogs. This year, the roles are reversed. The positioning of the standings is the same, but there is a significant role reversal. This time, the Phillies are fumblin’ away their chances. Meanwhile the Mets are, as Hatebreed puts it, “As Diehard As They Come.” At least right now, they “never waiver, never falter, remain diehard,” no matter how much the bullpen can screw up a good thing.

    This weekend cannot get here soon enough. Too bad I’ll miss the Saturday game, though, due to work all day until close. Should be a very fun series.

     
  • Posts: 0 Tyler

    Mets/Phillies:

    BA – .267/.254
    R – 693/676
    HR – 147/185
    TB – 2037/2075
    SO – 852/978
    SB – 121/113
    OBP – .340/.331
    SLG – .418/.433

    W – 79/76
    SV – 39/39
    HLD – 88/61
    IP – 1269.1/1253.2
    K/9 – 7.24/6.65
    ERA – 3.96/3.84
    WHIP – 1.34/1.38

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike

    Just a quick little stat about whoever said the Phillies have better starting pitching, in about the same amount of innings, the Mets have a lower ERA, more strikeouts, lower OBP, lower slugging %, lower batting average, less HR allowed, and lower WHIP. Just curious, where did that statement come from?

     
  • Posts: 0 heyo

    rivelz needs to be a little gayer, your def. not one of those fans at shea going nuts i can see..

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I said, “I THINK” …as in, in my opinion, … and then said over the past month or so our starting pitching has been awesome, and, in my opinion, better then the Mets.

    I guess we’ll see in this series if I’m right or not

     
  • Posts: 0 heyo

    im ashamed rivelz is a met fan

     
  • Posts: 0 Fred

    Starting pitching better or worse doesn’t really matter. Over the past month the Mets have been the better team… unfortunately.

     
  • Posts: 0 Georgie

    heyo- yeah, i’d be ashamed too of someone who has class and intelligence.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike

    Do Philly fans support Jimmy Rollins running his mouth about the Mets, even though he’s having a terrible year?

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike B.

    Not bringing back Aaron Rowand this year is a big reason why the Phillies season has gone the way it has and probably Kyle Lohse too with the way he has pitched for St. Louis this year. Rowand was the team leader and motivator and the Phillies players know it too. He made hitters ahead of him in the batting order better. Burrell and Howard seen better pitches to hit with Rowand following them in the batting order. Rowand was the guy who restored order in the club-house when things would go bad and kept guys loose. The guys know and remember all of this and the absence of Rowand this year has had an effect on their attitudes.

     
  • Posts: 0 to georgie

    fans shouldnt be like this, its like a gay house

     
  • Posts: 0 Fred

    Who knows how Rowand was in the clubhouse? How do we know he was the leader? Is there someone here who has access to the clubhouse on a daily basis to know these things? Rowand is gone and get over it. For the amount of jingle these guys are getting paid they should be able to motivate themselves.

     
  • Posts: 0 Georgie

    haha- a gay house???

     
  • Posts: 0 to georgie

    not wit the phils fans, u can keep doin wat ur doing but what kinda met fan comes in here and makes goody goody with them, come on??? if ur gonna be goody go to YOUR TEAMS BLOG homo

     
  • Posts: 0 Fred

    What kind of fan (of any team) comes to another team’s blog using slurs? Obviously one with severe personal and insecurity issues.

     
  • Posts: 0 Fred

    There’s probably a thoughtful Phils fan who could suggest a therapist to help resolve your personal demons.

     
  • Posts: 0 to georgie

    what slurs are you referring to?

     
  • Posts: 0 Georgie

    Seth Everett from mlb.com just said that Billy Wagner has not thrown 2 consecutive sessions without pain, and until that happens he’s DL’d.

     
  • Posts: 0 Fred

    A shoulder/elbow/arm has only a limited number of throws in it. Perhaps Wagner’s has reached its limit.

     
  • Posts: 0 HEY CHOLLY

    why did the phillies expand their roster with stiffs like Les Walrond & Eaton -

    why didn’t they bring up Andrew Carpenter, and Carlos Carrasco (his era was 1.72 at LVALLEY)

    this ownership & gm really s**k!!

     
  • Posts: 0 Ryk

    “not wit the phils fans, u can keep doin wat ur doing but what kinda met fan comes in here and makes goody goody with them, come on??? if ur gonna be goody go to YOUR TEAMS BLOG homo”

    What kind of Met fan? I’ll tell you what kind. The kind that can make an intelligent argument without offending anyone. He seems to be one of the only of his type. Who would have guessed it, but he actually seems to be a fan of baseball in general and understands that there is a whole world outside of New York. It’s called class.
    As for some of the other topics, I agree with Don M when he says the Phillies have a better pitching staff. Obviously, the Phils pen is best in the league, and the opposite can be said about the Mets pen. The rotation is pretty close if you consider numbers from the entire year. If youre talking about after the All-Star break, its got to go to the Phils. Hamels has been a stud all year, Moyer has been much better than anyones expectations, and the re-emergence of Myers can only be defined as dirty. Blanton is an improvement over Eaton, but so would a 6-year-old, and Kendrick has been what one would expect from a young, bottom of the rotation guy.
    Do I think the Mets will win the disision…yes I do. Will the Phils take the wildcard…lets see how the Brewers respond to their recent thumping. I do know that the Nl will once again come down to the last out of the last game of the season. It might not be a good thing for Phillies fans, but it will be a great thing for baseball fans. Im looking forward to a fun September.

     
  • Posts: 0 Big "D" in Coram

    The Philly fans are looking for the Mets to have a repeat melt-down like 2007 to leap-frog ahead of the Mets…what a terrible way to live. The fact is, the Mets are playing awesome baseball, power-hitters are finally meeting expectations, their playing excellent defense, and last but not least, have a better manager then last year. The Phillies are playing mediocre baseball and are failing to execute when needed. The Mets are quite the opposite. I’m sorry to say Philly fans, the house of cards are stacked and unfortunately, it doesn’t look like their going to fall down.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike B.

    Some Phillies players and baseball announcers and analysts stated at various times last year that Rowand was a leader in the club-house. He also had that quality about him when he played for the White Sox. Rowand mentioned one time that if he would not have been a baseball player, he would have liked to have had a career in the military.

    Getting over it FRED does not erase the fact that the Phillies could have signed him for about the same amount of money that the Giants did. He only wanted a contract that was a year longer.

     
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