Hamels Halts Streaking Nats
Posted by Tim Malcolm, Wed, September 03, 2008 08:43 AM | Comments: 106
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Cole Hamels shut down the Nationals, shutting them out for 7.1 innings and leading the Phillies to a 4-0 win in Washington. The win kept them two games in back of the Mets for the NL East lead, and 4.5 games in back of the Brewers for the NL Wild Card.
Hamels threw 104 pitches, giving up just five hits and walking three while striking out six. His ERA is now at 3.01. He was backed by JC Romero and Chad Durbin after getting in some trouble in the eighth. Brad Lidge gave up a leadoff triple, but closed the door in the ninth. He didn’t earn a save.
The offense looked alive enough to score four runs off John Lannan and Levale Speigner. They got two in the second — Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley had RBI singles — before Utley crashed into catcher Jesus Flores trying to steal home. A pretty nasty play. They got two more in the seventh thanks to a Rollins RBI single and groundout that went a different way, allowing Carlos Ruiz to score.
And it shows that when Rollins gets it done, the Phils win. He was 2-for-3 with the two ribbies and a run scored. He also walked, getting on base three of four times.
Here are some photos from the game – notice how bored the bullpen gets when Cole is pitching.
Associated Press photo
Posts: 0 MikeB
How many catchers have the Phils taken out of the game this year? does that make #3?
Btw.. Utley looked like he could play for the birds with that hit!
Posted: 09:06 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Joe O
Utley looked like he could play for the Eagles? Does that mean he will miss tackles, drop balls and get sacked? Will all the Philly fans blame their losses on Any Reid now? Get a life, Philadelphia. Grow up you bunch of complainers.
Posted: 09:14 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
what they need to do is trade jimmy rollins and ryan howard.
that was a decent, expected win against one of the worst teams i can ever remember watching.
Posted: 09:28 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 RiVLez
Rollins I can agree with but Ryan Howard I don’t think so. No one is going to want a guy who hits .220 and will almost always strike out in a big spot.
Posted: 09:37 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Yeah, noone wants a guy that always leads the NL in homers and RBI’s.
Posted: 09:49 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Can you imagine this team without Rollins and Howard.. they would have no chance to win anything!
Posted: 09:49 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
my point exactly, his value is higher than you think it is. same with rollins even in a bad year. get em on out of here and get value in return.
Posted: 09:53 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
build a WINNING team with the pieces you get back
Posted: 09:54 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
You can get 4 type A prospects from trading those 2.
Posted: 09:57 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Like I said before, and I’ll say again… no team is going to give you TOP PITCHING in return for Ryan Howard.. and since that is what every team wants, there won’t be many takers for Howard. Because we don’t have TOP PITCHING on our team right now, we need that bat so we can out-score teams.
In reality, our pitching has been very good all season long.. with Moyer being great, Myers having turned his season around.
If Rollins already had his “career year” then you already missed his highest value… but because he is still so valuable to your own team, there is no point to trading him… and you are fooling yourself if you think they are going to trade him
Posted: 10:00 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
…and look all the “can’t miss” prospects that don’t turn out to be anything in the majors. It happens ALL THE TIME.
Homer Bailey, Phil Hughes, etc
Posted: 10:03 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 RiVLez
Don M i think you said it perfect. Howard is a good player and does have tons of HR’s and RBI’s, but he leads the league in strikeouts (holds record) and his BA is just plain terrible. He can get traded for some good players but not an Ace as a lot of you guys think. No one in their right mind is going to trade an ace for him. I would even tend to believe that Howard would pull as much attention as Rollins would. I think the Phillies are going to be stuck with both of them. I don’t see a trade happening this offseason for either.
Posted: 10:09 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
im pretty sure they missed their chance to trade him too, rollins. which means im going to bury him for YEARS until he gets his head right.
you think you cant get top young pitching for howard? ok then. im pretty sure you can. teams are desperate. so are the yankees. when the yankees get desperate they give up too much to get what they want. tahts when you swoop in there and ask for joba chamberlain and melky cabrera for ryan howard AND YOU GET IT. that will get it done for me. joba chamberlain is roger clemens without the steroids. melky cabrera can play all 3 outfield positions for you and contribute in a platoon or an everyday situation.
Posted: 10:13 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
the phillies admitted theyre going to be shopping ryan hwoard hard in the offseason.
Posted: 10:14 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
if you cant get it then you hang onto him anyway. no big deal. you make teams grovel and cough it up for howard. you dont just throw him away for mid-level trash. if you cant get what you want, then theres no harm in just hanging onto him until hes in his contract year.
Posted: 10:16 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
I can understand why would want to trade Howard… not Rollins.
If Howard could get you the starting #1 or #2 pitcher that your team is lacking.. it would be a great trade. But since we all know that pitching and defense win championships…no team is going to give you the pitching that will help you win, for a Feast-or-Famine hitter… and its just not realistic to think that they ever would.
Rollins can get you more in return, but Jason Donald at SS would be MUCH worse defensively, and why everyone thinks he’s going to tear the cover off the ball is beyond me… you’d lose experience, great defense, one of the best baserunners and base stealers in baseball… all because you guys want to build for the future.
I’d rather stick with the team that could have swept the Cubs in Chicago, cause to me, this Phillies team looks pretty damn legit!!
Posted: 10:16 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
they shouldve swept the cubs, but they didnt. they hacked up two sure thing wins against good pitching because they GOT good pitching in that series except when the bullpen scrungled up the lead twice. joe blantons better than i thought, but hes still rough around the edges. no command sometimes leads to shorter outings.
Posted: 10:19 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
If you think you can Joba from the Yankees.. for Ryan Howard… you are nuts. They need pitching more than anything.. why would they give it up for anyother Jason Giambi??
I understand that you want the whole team to win the World Series.. and get traded.. and everything all at the same time..
But Maybe you should start your own “TRADE JIMMY ROLLINS” blog and see how many people are on board with it… ??
He’s been playing great baseball and helping this team win games over the past few weeks.. and he won the MVP last year, but because he started the year slowly and called-out fans for booing too much.. you want him traded and you’re going to “bury him for YEARS”
Posted: 10:20 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
The first night, they got beat by the best lineup in the NL, if not all of baseball…
on Friday, they got hosed for 2 runs by the umpires. DeRosa was called SAFE on a steal at 2nd, eventhough he was clearly OUT… he ended up scoring (run #1 by the umpires).
Howard was called out at 1st, eventhough he was clearly SAFE.. and so a run didn’t score on that play (run #2 by the umpires)
So the Phillies should have been winning 3-1 when Soriano hit that HomeRun, which would have cut the lead to 3-2 Phillies, instead of making it 3-2 Cubs.
So they actually should have won 3-of-4.. and could have won all 4 at Wrigley… which means that the Phillies are also a damn good team
Posted: 10:25 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 RiVLez
LOL Joba. Are you kidding me?!?!? That’s almost as terrible as the time when I walked out of Shea a few years back and I heard this one guy say that A-Rod wants to be a Met so bad. HAHAHA. Ryan Howard is not going to pull someone of Joba’s caliber. I think some of you guys need to lay off that crack a bit and then post on here.
Posted: 10:29 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Griffin
The Yanks are NOT trading Joba for anything, stop kidding yourself. They’ll fill their 1B spot by signing Texeira this offseason.
The same people who are saying “trade Rollins! trade Howard!” were shouting “DFA Myers!” earlier this season.
Posted: 10:30 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
dude, besides missing his peak value, remember, hes signed cheaply for several more years. that really carries a lot of wieght in baseball.
my point is. we all know this team is cheap and wont spend the money needed. maybe they will, but i seriously doubt it, they havent proven that to be consistently enough to earn my trust. So why not sacrifice two, just two, valuable peices now if it means you can get many pieces in return, maybe 4/5 of which will turn out to be valuable pieces in a year or a few years. whats wrong with that?
if you cant get what youre looking for, then hey, no problem, well hang onto these guys.
Posted: 10:36 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
theyre going to sign sabathia and maybe burnett too. the yankees wont splash on texeira beause HE ISNT GOING TO LEAVE THE ANGELS.
Posted: 10:38 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm
Amazing. I don’t write a word about Howard, and yet the discussion comes back to trading him.
Posted: 10:39 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
We aren’t a small-market team though so we don’t NEED to trade players at their peak value and get prospects in return…
And if you think we can get 4 top-prospects for the two of them… what are the odds of 1 of them turning out to be an MVP-type player.
Its just not a smart move, and your daily rants about these ridiculous trades are the worst thing about this website…
Posted: 10:41 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
If you think they are cheap, and they haven’t earned your trust… then go “cheer” for some other team, cause obviously you’ll never be satisfied with this one.
Posted: 10:42 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 RiVLez
I don’t think the Phillies could even get Philip Hughes and Melky for Howard. I really don’t think that players like Howard/Dunn get much attention. Dunn puts up similiar #’s with a ridiculously higher OBP. I think OBP is a very important # that GMs look at. Me personally, I would rather take Adam Dunn over Howard especially since you know Howard is going to be wanting more than 13M/yr that Dunn makes.
Posted: 10:42 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Georgie
I’ve always been a huge fan of Rollins, but after this season not so much. How many times have we heard “As Rollins goes, so goes the team”? His attitude, for whatever reason, has been less than positive this year, and I think that has unfortunately spread thru the rest of the team. He obviously has the talent and drive to lead this team, but seems to show it when he feels like it, and in my book that’s unacceptable.
Posted: 10:44 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
no we dont need to, and we arent a small market team. BUT GUESS WHAT? the ownership acts like a bottom-feeding small market team, so get used to it. you think that money they saved on aaron rowand is going to be used to sign a free agent starting pitcher? SSSSSSSSSUCKER! youre smoking crack if you believe that. if they do that ill be so happy but i seriously doubt it. come on, now. they flat out dont believe in spending big money on a free agent starting pitcher, PERIOD. im talkin 15-20mm.
so you HAVE to play the contract game with them. play the odds. leverage it out.
you guys STILL dont get it. if you can get what youre looking for then DONT TRADE HIM. simple. we are NOT talking about a salary dump or trading him just to trade him. were talking about getting value. if you cant get two cant miss prospects and two decent prospects then you hang up the phone.
Posted: 10:45 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
the TEAM will always have my support. but the owners do not and maybe never will. theyre scum, politican-types.
Posted: 10:47 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
i kind of think they have no choice but to keep pat burrell though. theyre backed into a corner on that one.
Posted: 10:48 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 RiVLez
Gillick is a terrible GM and I’m sure all the Phillies fans are excited that he will be gone. You guys might get someone better to be your GM after this season.
Posted: 10:49 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Griffin
don’t we have a top-10 payroll?
Posted: 10:49 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Well then they’ll be hanging up the phone.. so get ready to bash them for doing that too becuase we all know you will.
Posted: 10:50 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
im going to try and focus on howard because its more likely, actually very likely if you understand the phillies ownership mentality. rollins probably isnt going anywhere. i thought hed try to talk his way out of town, and he still may, but he hasnt said anything in a while.
Posted: 10:50 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
actually, no, because trading him for less than hes worth in your eyes is WORSE than keeping him around.
Posted: 10:51 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
griffin..adam eaton and geoff jenkins dont count. thats dead money.
Posted: 10:51 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 mikemike
GeoffSays could you please shows us were the phillies said that they would be shopping howard. I believe you made it up they would never say that, They still have him for almost three season,and anyone who wants to replace jimmy rollins with donald is crazy. I follow the minors and the draft and donald is been more than any one expect. But jimmy rollins is one of the best shortshops in the game. The problem is they have him leading off he is a three or five hole hitter. but so is utley, werth. This off season the phillies need to get a stud outfielder, someone like holiday and a better hitting third basemen,a stud starter. But with this cheap basta## owners it will never happen.If you add sheets ,holiday and farnworth plus replace the catcher position with marson I would go to war with that team.
Posted: 10:53 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
We have the 14th highest payroll, but the organization has spent enough to be top 10. Next year they will when Hamels, Victorino, etc. get arbitration.
Posted: 10:53 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
anytime they add players that don’t work out… its because the GM and the owners and trainers are all the worst in baseball.
But when they get production out of Dobbs, Werth, Victorino, etc… its LUCK according to most of the guys on here.
If anyone thought that Jenkins would have this bad a season, or Werth would have this good of a season… that means you are psychic and you should tell me what the PowerBall numbers will be tonight
Posted: 10:54 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 RiVLez
The Phillies have the 13th largest payroll at $98 mill.
Posted: 10:54 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Griffin
well, there’s a difference between being cheap and wasting money. The organization has been both, but I don’t think they’re SO cheap. Their payroll is right around where it should be, I just wish they didn’t waste in on Eaton and Jenkins.
The nucleus of this team is in their prime. This is a win now team, if this doesn’t work, then in 2 years, you can trade everyone, blow it up and restock the farm system, but not this offseason. Not in a season where they’ll miss the playoffs by only 2 or 3 games.
Posted: 10:55 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 mikemike
Phil remember burrell plus gordon tuguski equals about twenty one million dollars.
Posted: 10:55 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Phil
Don M I knew Werth would have this good of a season, and I said from the getgo that there was no need for Jenkins because Werth is an everyday player. He can only hit righties if he faces them which he doesn’t. Now he is facing them and he’s hitting them.
Posted: 10:56 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
but its actually 83mm if you take away jenkins and eaton and its 77mm if you take away the 6mm still owed to thome. so its a 77mm payroll.
Posted: 10:56 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
i have liked what weve seen from werth this year. he can move ower to left field next year when they trade ryan howard and resign burrell to play firstbase.
Posted: 10:58 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Griffin
But it’s not like they’re only spending 77 million. They’re spending more than that, it’s just that they’re not spending wisely.
Also, what team doesn’t have a bad contract or two? The Muts wasted money on El Duque and Moises Alou this year…
Posted: 10:58 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 RiVLez
I agree with Griffin this is a team that needs a few additions through FA and not trading away Howard or Rollins. This a good team that can be great REAL quick. If the Phillies can get someone of C.C.’s caliber that will change everything.
Posted: 10:59 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
what has geoff jenkins shown you before this season taht he was worth the money they gave him? declining numbers, less production, aging player who was never a superstar…gets 5mm this year and 7mm next year? what? are you serious?
Posted: 10:59 AM on September 3, 2008
Posts: 0 Georgie
So a team with a , what is it, top 5 in attendance, has a payroll of under 100mm? I’m so sick of the Phillies’ “self-imposed salary cap”.
Posted: 10:59 AM on September 3, 2008