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Bye Kyle, go back to the farm and work on some pitches. Hopefully he’ll be a new pitcher by sping time.

damn. if only he really was traded to Japan.

Na na na na, hey hey hey,goodbye Kendrick

I say let Carrasco come up and start the game on Thursday…It’s gonna be tough for Moyer to pitch on 3 days rest.

jeffrey, normally i would agree with you, but i feel that kendrick is a different story. i don’t think he’s a major league caliber pitcher. and i think he’s been getting by with smoke and mirrors and people are figuring him out. long term, i don’t think he has a future in MLB. his stuff just flat out stinks. and his control is good but not greg maddux like or even jamie moyer like enough to get by on that type of terrible stuff

It’s time to bring up another starter. Moyer on 3 days rest against the Brewers is not advisable. Bu, if need be, hopefully he has enough left for another gem.

I think that Ryan is right on the money with his assessment. Kendrick is not a top flight prospect like Carrasco with electric stuff. His stuff is average to below average, and he usually gets away with it because of good location. Even more so though, as Ryan said, he got away with it because teams were seeing him for the first time. Teams that are seeing him for the second, third, and fourth times now have figured him out and are crushing him. I just don’t think he has major league calibur stuff, certainly not calibur stuff to be a starter on a playoff contender.

Keep in mind that Kendrick has never even started a game a triple-A. He was called up from Reading (where he had a losing record) last season to make a spot start because our rotation was so decimated. He ended up pitching well, and we have kind of ridden that momentum ever since. It is starting to look like the Kendrick dream is over though.

Carrasco is not the top prospect people think ,A lot of scouts think at best he is a 3 but mostly likely a 4 or5 that means another eaton or blanton type . there is no one in the system. They must go out and get a big time starter. The teams needs a burnett or sheets plus a good hitting outfielder and catcher or third basemen.

mikemike that’s just not going to happen and is a big ask anyway especially at catcher where the market is virtually empty. Carrasco is considered a top prospect because of his high nineties fastball with movement and developed curveball but he lacks experience, control and has not dominated at the minor league level enough to feel he will at the major league level quite yet, he’s not a middle of the rotation guy because his whole game is on overmatching and fanning hitters.

I like sending Kendrick to AAA but I don’t like the fact that teams set-up to be a loser and can’t see how that will aid the development of the guys who need to have a team first, winning mentality drilled into them. As for bringing up another starter unfortunately the well is dry and sending Happ in when he was due to start thursday was questionable, the best bet for a spot start right now of someone not in the rotations Walrond but that may not be worth the taxation on the pen.

As for the off-sesaon acquisitions suggested: There won’t be a major acquisition behind the plate unless it’s short-term for an old hand if the FO wants to move Ruiz or Coste, we don’t need a 3rd basement as Feliz although a free swinging liabiliy at times is the best 3rd basement we’ve had since Rolen. Outfield is a massive problem as Burrell looks near unretainable without major payroll expansion but anyone of value on the FA market has type A status and we need to start paying attention to our draft/recruitment classes, as for pitching let someone else play in the Sheets sweepstakes, overvalue for less years at somewhere around 54/3′s not a bad thought but someone like Houston/LA/ST. Louis will tack on the and 5th years in guaranteed and probably not options, Burnetts over-valued as well and we need to put our resources into developing our own controllable top pitching or trading for young arms with upside like Garza/Volquez type moves… Was it really wise to part with Gio? I’ll say it again Gillick has traded the wrong prospects in his deals here and the only wise one was overselling Costanzo to Wade.

mikemike I really wish you’d stop talking out of your ass. You just say things to say them I’m pretty sure. You point fingers at Geoff for doing that and then you turn around and do it yourself…hypocrite. Carrasco is picked to be a #3 starter with potential of being a #2. He’s starting to get dominant at AAA. Something tells me Nichols is a good pitching coach. He helped Happ, Carrasco, and Myers thus far.

Next you start bitching about the Phillies not having any pitching prospects that can be an ace, when they do actually. Kyle Drabek is projected to be an ace. There is another guy but I’m drawing a blank right now. Joe Savery is projected as a #2 as well. I do agree with you that we need to go out and get another top of the rotation starter though. Sabathia, Hamels, Myers would be the best 1-2-3 punch in baseball.

Drabek – Tommy John surgery at age 19 doesn’t make his outlook very bright.

Carrasco is projected to be only a 3 or 4. He does not have a ‘high nineties’ fastball. If he was so promising, he would be here. He made zero all-star teams this year.

Savery – projected to be a possible 2 but this was his first year at full-time pitching. Has had arm trouble as most players from Rice seem to have. But was used as a DH this year so what does that say?

Our only Baseball America all-star was Michael Taylor who could be in LF in two years depending on his progress.

Donald and Marson are middle of the road prospects. Donald’s another Bruntlett and Marson is projected as a doubles guy with 10-15 HR power.

All-in-all not a very promising farm system.

Also, how is Donald a Bruntlett type? He had horrible minor league stats. Donald’s minor league stats are very good. Donald has better minor league stats than Rollins. You people need to do your research instead of bitching and complaining all the time.

Fred that’s very pesimistic and you can’t base guys potential on their HR capability…

Donald does not fit in past being a utlity guy with Rollins and Utley here. You can’t base Carrasco on if he was any good he’d be here now mentality, the kids 21 and we’re expecting him to be like Lincecum who came up at 23. I apologise Carrasco’s fastball is a mid nineties fastball although I’ve read he does peak out at around 97 although his curve is regarded to be high major league calibre already. Savery (who has barely hit this year and has not been the DH as you suggest Fred…) has potential to feature and Drabek to star if healthy but you can’t call Marson a middle of the road prospect, middle of the road prospects aren’t scouted by other teams as the centrepiece of potential trades, he’s not likely to be Brian McCann or the second coming of Lieberthal but he has the potential to be the everyday catcher for a decade and have the offensive impact of Pudge with less power.

Drabeks been back pitching for a month or so now and the signs are very good, some talk about a Chamberlin type guy… Well if his arm concerns prevent him from starting well there’s the guy.

Our system lacks fast-track high end prospects and depth but we have some good prospects in there, the problem is the drafting personnel is the old Tampa system brought over the habbit of the high risk/high reward prospects that crippled their system for years.

There is a lot of promise but a lot of our prospects are blocked and we don’t have ones in the areas of extreme need.

It’s pretty pathetic how bad the farm system is for the Phillies. It’s not like they have made some blockbuster trades and have sent the top prospects to other teams. They definitely need some FO help. Whoever the scout is, the guy is terrible.

Why is my comment awaiting moderation?

It’s not terrible and if I’m remembering rightly your a Mets fan and you don’t have much to shout about in your farm and it hasn’t been crippled just emptied of most of what was the in the Santana trade.

The Phils sent it’s top prospect last year to the CWS and two of it’s upper tier prospects to the A’s in the Blanton deal underselling Cardenas massively and Gillick was just stupid with Outman who the A’s love, add those together and that’s the Sanatana deal.

That said as I mentioned above we have a behind the times scouting system that’s achievements are headed by Baldelli and Cantu. We scout South America horribly and have come up with 1 top and 1 potential prospect and the high draft picks under their watch have been questionable compared to what some other teams are getting from their picks. Our system is indicative of Giliick who is stubborn, refuses to change his ideas with the time playing to the beat of his own drum and I worry the Wade/Gillick regims will mean Amaro won’t be a man of the times.

Fred…Drabek is pitching again.

http://phuturephillies.com/2008/07/30/kyle-drabek-returns/

Stop saying stupid shit.

No, but I don’t really care if you did or didn’t. Stop being a pussy. If you are going to come on here and say stupid shit then expect to get bashed for it. Find me somewhere where Donald is picked as a utility man. I can show you where Donald blows Rollins minor league stats out of the water. I posted it in another comment, but it is awaiting moderation for some reason. I tried posted it again and it still says awaiting moderation. I wonder if it’s the link. Anyway go to thebaseballcube.com and look up Donald and Rollins. You’ll see what I mean.

I never talked about Savery being a DH. I talked about Savery the pitcher. He’s projected as a #2.

In case that was intended at me I meant that Savery research comment to Fred not you Phil.

Kendrick just does not have big league stuff, even in this watered down MLB. I know that it is “water under the bridge” but we did have a kid that was an All-American in college, a first round draft pick, had a pedigree, and had ML stuff and we were not patient enough or simply didn’t handle him well. That was Gavin Floyd. I will take a kid with a live arm and what baseball people call “great stuff” anyday before a young kid who really doesn’t have much. I understand that he had the “deer in the headlights” look, but he also had the makings of a ML pitcher with patience and good coaching as you can see from his year with the White Sox. Just frustrated that he isn’t our #4 or 5.

Gillick dealing Floyd wasn’t bad, unfortunate but Freddy Garcia wasn’t going to be a type A snapped up by a top 15 team in another other than Gillick’s mind who was bias, there were to many reasons for Floyd to fail here but giving Gio back to the CWS in that deal was criminal. A good deal was made for Thome but the remains have been scuttled and the guy with the last link to that deal in Castro has been cast off to Toronto, we surely could have prized Stairs away for less considering the role he was intended for…

Taylor is an intruiging prospect and lets see what he can do in double A, he may be the guy to come up and make Howard dealable.

As for starting pitchers… Who? Burnett… Bedard? We had those trades if we wanted but balked and rightly so, Burnett is so overvalued by his K rate, he is not healthy, motivated or a rounded pitcher worth parting with your top prospects for. Who would you want? Oswalt (wasn’t ever going to happen) Halladay (Toronto aren’t moving him unless forced) Cain (would have taken a similar package to Sabathia)… Name 1 available front line start worth parting with two top prospects for?

Am not professing to be a baseball expert so much as a fan who tries to do his research before forming brash opinions and tends to think teams with supportive fans do better.

The Indians catcher is Victor Martinez and they haven’t made steps to move away from him, the B plan is Shoppach and they did not consider catcher a vital position of need to win now, they did however want a slugging corner in/outfielder and that’s what got the deal done.

I am a supportive fan and have been for better than 50 years. I was at the victory parade in 1980 and watched the collapse of ’64 on TV listening to Bill Campbell. My Phillies roots go back to 1910. But I’ve seen mostly years of ineptness and bad management.

The Phillies and their fans have always overvalued their prospects and have seldom drafted wisely. What has happened to their Latin connections? They use to be at the forefront in signing Latin players. I understand they just started a renewed effort in that area but their spending is far below other clubs.

I would still like info on the Tampa model.