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Phils Can’t Overcome Kendrick’s Bad Start

Posted by Tim Malcolm, Tue, September 09, 2008 11:15 PM | Comments: 180
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The offense tried. Really, they tried. But now the Phillies stand 2.5 back of the Mets, and things are starting to slip away.

Kyle Kendrick stunk. No reason to sugarcoat it. Kendrick had to come out and perform better than his Labor Day outing in Washington; instead, he was worse, giving up seven runs on six hits and two walks in 1.1 innings. When he left the Phils were losing 7-1. JA Happ surrendered three more runs; when the dust settled the Phils had a large deficit to overcome.

The offense came up a little short, but provided the thrills. Ryan Howard knocked his 41st home run of the season and had another strong game with two hits. Jimmy Rollins also had two hits, but this time the Frontrunner Brothers alone couldn’t get it done. The Phils did mount a four-run rally in the sixth thanks to a Greg Dobbs two-RBI double, but missed opportunities in clutch spots ended the evening. One could also question some of Charlie Manuel’s moves (such as not pinch running for Matt Stairs in the sixth), but this was really all about pitching.

If Kendrick gives up four runs the game is different. He couldn’t even have a passable outing; what’s worse, Manuel was forced into bringing in Happ, taking him out of a Thursday start and making Jamie Moyer throw on three-days rest.

Meanwhile the Mets won, pushing the Phils back again and making it more difficult to mount a comeback. This late in the season, you can’t have weak links. Kendrick is clearly a weak link, and it’s time to play him as such.

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  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    you know its bad when, given a choice between eaton and walrond, you wouldnt hesitate to choose walrond.

     
  • Posts: 0 Georgie

    I will be the first to admit that I don’t know anywhere close to what you guys do about players in the minors, or even stats on other teams’ players, etc. What I do know is I love the Phils, remember what 1980 was like, and have been waiting since then for another championship. Let’s get real , the only starter that I felt sure about was Hamels. Myers was in the bullpen last year, Moyer’s almost as old as me, Kendrick wasn’t a sure thing, we left Lohse go, and you say no pitching questions? A top-notch ownership would have foreseen this and made sure they did SOMETHING, have a plan, get a package together, whatever.
    Ughhh, the Gov from Alaska is talking about putting the jet on e-bay again, her shrill voice made me lose my train of thought!

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    unless hes shut down, it really couldnt hurt to test carrasco. i feel that unknown pitchers always have an initial advantage.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    The owners thought Myers would be as good as he’s been lately… and they figured their hitters would hit..

    If this team was hitting like they are capable of, they would have 85+ wins right now instead of 79.

    How many times have great pitching performances been WASTED this year… probably 5 or 6 by Hamels alone… Eaton started the year with multiple Quality Starts that didn’t result in wins… Moyer had a few nice games this year with no run support… this could easily be a 95+ win team, but instead we’ll be hoping they get as close to 90 as they can

     
  • Posts: 0 mikemike

    Anyone who said that they would take joe blanton over other teams four is crazy. The guy is a hitting machine. Some fans would believe anthing that the phillies say. look up blanton numbers they are very very bad he stinks but he is cheap option.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    that lineup really does need improvement. contact hitting. but they have people that are supposed to be able to do that and they cant. thats really aggravating. whatre you going to do, get rid of chase utley because he isnt hitting .300? obviously not.

     
  • Posts: 0 Eb

    What is the terms of the 40 man roster, is Carrasco on it? is he even in the USA right now? Can he be called up?

     
  • Posts: 0 Georgie

    I can’t believe that this late in the season, in a division race, we have no one to start the game Thurs. Can Moyer really go on 3 days rest? that seems to be asking alot of him, although I’m sure he’d gladly do it with no complaints.

    Sort of off subject, but I saw a quote from Dubee yesterday re Hamels. He basically said there are days when there’s alot of noise, days when you don’t feel your best, but 20 game winners, Cy Young winners, find a way to overcome those things. Was Cole complaining about the noise at Shea or something?

     
  • Posts: 0 Phillies are our bitches

    Georgie I heard Hamels was complaining about the noise coming off Delgado’s bat.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bruce

    Geoff~ You must have got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Granted last night’s game was a bad loss and puts the Phils in a very tough situation being three games down in the all important loss column. And now you’re taking your frustration and anger out on this site and even on a hall of famer, Mike Schmidt who had nothing to do with last night’s game. As Don M mentioned, you’re acting like a typical “negadelphia” fan who has never seen Schmidt played ( I have) nor the 1980 World Series. For that reason, I wouldn’t waste time and effort to defend Schmidt to you.

    It does appears since Happ was used tonight (3.1 innings allowing 3 runs & 5 hits including TWO HRs), Jamie Moyer likely will start on three days’ rest Thursday night against Milwaukee. Happ was being considered for that start. My question is who starts on Sunday? If Kendrick is indeed relegated to the bullpen, will it be HappLESS or even Eaton? What a problem for poor ole’ Cholly.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    no he was just amped up.. and was trying to overthrow, instead of being normal and just hitting his spots..

    he’ll learn, he’s one of the best young pitchers in baseball and he’ll be fine.

    Carrasco is not listed on the 40-man roster.. but Fabio Castro is… didn’t he get traded for Matt Stairs?

    If we’re really complaining about Blanton as our #4 starter not being good enough, or problems really aren’t that big. He’s had some very good games for the Phillies.. and some pretty dull ones too.. but for the most part, he gives you a chance to win by keeping you in the game.. Thats all you can ask from a guy in his position. Would you rather have Oliver Perez? I wouldn’t…

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Moyer is starting Thursday..

    Phillies are our bitches,
    He was complaining that they only took 2 of 3 instead of getting the full sweep…in the Mets house… keep talking shit though, your Mets did a great job of burrying us last weekend, fag

     
  • Posts: 0 Phillies are our bitches

    Don the Homo, Kendrick looked good last night….lmao

    BTW look behind you St Louis 1/2 game and Houston 1 game

     
  • Posts: 0 RiVLez

    “They will lose some,” Charlie Manuel said. He also said he still likes his team’s chances. But there can be no illusions. There will be no gifts this year. If the Phillies are to win the division, they will have to pry it from the Mets’ desperate hands.

    OUCH

     
  • Posts: 0 ryan

    does anybody know is scott mathieson is ever going to come back? i thought he was very promising but i know he’s been hurt a ton

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    good call dude.. original too… AND a cool name that you post under. You’re the only Mets fan on here that is dumb enough to still be talking shit even after we just took that series at Shea that could have put us 6 games back if your team showed up to play. ….but ripping on Kyle Kendrick, just like the rest of us, is cool

    and using phrases like “lmao” … thats cool too..

     
  • Posts: 0 Phillies are our bitches

    Hey Dong who’s pitching for you guys Thursday? ROTFL

     
  • Posts: 0 Georgie

    With all the “fag” and “homo” labels, I’m hurt that no one’s called me a lesbo yet.

     
  • Posts: 0 brian

    It’s time to look ahead, we weren’t going 18-0 to finish so we lost a terrible game with an awful start by Kendrick.

    We can catch Milwaukee this weekend!

     
  • Posts: 0 Jimmy S.

    We have to face it the Phillies have to be focused on the Wild Card! The Mets are better then the Phillies but they have to get the wild card to get to the Playoffs!

     
  • Posts: 0 brian

    Exactly!

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Yea I apologize for that.. sorry.

    Phillies are our bitches,

    Jamie Moyer, the guy that owned you the other day, he’s pitching on Thursday..

     
  • Posts: 0 Bruce

    Since Thursday is the LAST offday for the Mets in the remainder of the regular season, whereas we’ve got two more between Friday and the end of the season, we should need a 5th starter even LESS than they do? That’s one area that the Phils have a (theoretical) advantage. Looking at the schedule it looks like the Mets will need a 5th starter three times down the stretch. The Phils may only need one once or twice depending on who they go with tomorrow (Moyer?).

    Of course, the Phils may also have a problem with the 4th starter in their rotation if Blanton doesn’t get untracked. But then Pedro Martinez isn’t exactly clicking each time out for the Mets either.

    Should be an interesting 3 weeks.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I personally could care less if we win the division or not, as long as we make the playoffs… The cubs needed a rare bullpen-implosion by the Phillies to beat us in the 1st game out there.. and two terrible calls by umpires in the 2nd game to give them a 3-2 win… and then we beat them in the last two.

    So the Cubs really don’t scare me that much.. if anything, the Phillies and Mets should not want to play each other, cause they can both beat any other team in the NL… if the Dodgers bats keep going, watch out for them…

    If both teams make the playoffs the division winner gets the RedHot Dodgers, the WildCard would get the struggling Cubbies, whose top 2 pitchers have both been on the shelf recently…

     
  • Posts: 0 Phils2008

    I agree!! The wild card is looking more realistic then the Divison. If we can at least take 3 out of 4 against the Brewers then we could easily pry the wild card away from them. The Brewers are starting to fold like they did last year.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bruce

    Better chance in winning against Milwaukee Brewers than the Mets? It’s like choosing your poison.

    I don’t take any team likely with Sheets and Sabathia and that line-up. True, they’ve been terrible going 2-7 in their last 9, but were just as great going 8-1 in the nine before that. They have a tough schedule ahead with 4 against the Phils and 6 against the Cubs.

    But they’ve had the #1 team ERA in the NL since the All-Star break (a full half run better than the Phils, who are the 2nd-best team over that period). I can only hope the Phils’ offense is clicking on all cylinders vs the Brewers. The team, though, better not be looking ahead and focus on today’s game.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bruce

    Oops.. sorry for the mistype..lightly not likely.

     
  • Posts: 0 Phillies are our bitches

    curious….what’s Moyer’s stats at CBP?

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    After sheets and sabathia, they don’t have anything special at all.. if you had to face those two pitchers in a short series, you’d be in trouble.. same with the Diamondbacks, same with the Cubs if Zambrano and Harden are healthy…

    But same with the Phillies with Hamels and Myers… the Mets with Santana and Pelfrey. ..

     
  • Posts: 0 mikemike

    Its unreal that Dom m can say the shit he saids .Blanton has failed to reach the seventh inning in nine of eleven games you idiot, I believe you are a phillies front office employee. Blanton is terrible he has and will continue to be horrible. IF you would get your head out of you ass you would see it. When you talk about the draft you should know they didn’t sign Joe Nathan 96 draft. Joe saunders J.D Drew, Azick for the dodgers. The number 4 rated pick in 2009 draft gibson.couldn’t develop floyd. Misread lohse. This is the scouting department and g.m’s job. they stink.You can’t compare the marlins they have a 22 million payroll but look at the talent they have traded and the talent they still have.plus they are a expansion team with more titles than us.the reason the brewers gave up laporta for cc is that they want the draft choice s becasue they sign and know how to draft. They are loaded with talent with no budject or market to speak of compared to us. When the marlins won the last pennant they knew they needed a catcher but had no money so they traded for pudge and gave him a one year ten million dollar deal. they spread the ten million over four years so the next year pudge left but was still getting paid by the marlins.but they won our cheap bastard owners wouldn’t do that .They aren’t smart enough.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    If anyone can make sense of the above rant, let me know..

    Jamie Moyer is 4-4 at home with a 4.84 ERA… and I still think he’ll win Thursday…at home..

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    hes basically right. hes saying the front office is and always has been cheap. draft worse players because you can sign them cheaply in the first round. he also said joe blanton hasnt reached the 7th inning in 9 of his last 11 starts.

     
  • Posts: 0 RiVLez

    he does make some sense.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    But seriously.. out of that, I take it that Joe Blanton isn’t good enough for you as a #4 starter… which is fine, I understand if people want to think that way… but he is what he is.. and again, if you are complaining about the #4 starting pitcher, you must not be too worried about this team overall..

    Burrell’s lack of contact… Utley’s lack of power… they same like bigger issues to me, but thats fine.

    I was 13 in 1996 so I don’t especially care about what happened to Joe Nathan in that draft… Lidge is maybe the best closer in baseball this year anyway, and they got him for NOTHING from the Astros.

    The guys that the Brewers thought would carry them , Rickie Weekes, JJ Hardy and Prince Fielder, haven’t done as much as the Phillies young guys have. I think Braun is awesome, Hart is a hell of a player too… not sure where you are going with that one.

    And my point about the Marlins was that we all want to blow their owners, and the A’s GM, but neither one of those teams has a shot to win anything this year… A world series in 2003 is terrific, but not having any chance at all this year must be why they get 600 fans for baseball games

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    thats florida though. florida is THE fake, frontrunner fans state. the rays are in first place and they draw like 7,000. up from like the 25 people that used to attend.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    burrell and utley are the biggest issues right now, but just because the pitching hasnt been as bad as we thought doesnt mean its been good.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Well, then I disagree with you, because I think our pitching has been very good this year…. better than just about any year I can remember since I’ve been a Phillies fan.

     
  • Posts: 0 mikemike

    I would take a world champion and then rebuild. Over not having a shot like we do to win it all.

     
  • Posts: 0 Richie Allen

    Mets are winning because Delgado is hitting all those home runs in the Shea BANDBOX

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    then why do you watch this team, and post about them everyday if the have no shot?

    The Cardinals in 2005 or whatever won 83 games… and then won the world series

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Yo… Delgado is RAKING right now….. he should just get the free pass every time up, cause he is going yard on EVERYONE!

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    dude, because you shouldnt have to “hope that they get on a magical run.” thats bullshit, thats happened only a few times recently. those “magicall run” teams usually lose the world series, actually almost always. the reality is what theyre doing is not good enough. from top to bottom organization-wide. they simply have to do more, have to do better, have to do what it takes.

     
  • Posts: 0 Georgie

    Can anyone honestly say they’re not on pins and needles before Blanton’s starts? If the fans feel that way, how do you think the players feel? Is it a championship team when your #4 is questionable, and #5 is ????? Doubtful, but I guess anything is possible in the post season.

     
  • Posts: 0 mikemike

    Dom I Love the phillies . Since I was a kid and would skip school to go see them at connie mack staduim. I saw a lot of the sixty four games when they blew the lead. But when Giles put this group together and I saw how he tried to be G.M. and when that failed he put his man in wade I knew they were in trouble. and it hurts because we don’t deserve this we are too loyalty.To answer your question why do I post when I think they have no shot. Its like being in love with a bad women I still want her but she is bad for me.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    No shit they should do more… but what the fuk is with all you people talking like this team is completely out of it everytime they lose a game..

    if they are out of it, and have no shot at winning… then stop paying attention..

    If you want to keep following them because you realize they are just as good as any other team in the NL.. and you could see them having a chance at the World Series… then why bash them?? it just doesn’t add up to me

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Everyone points out that what “they” are doing is not good enough.. and I’m pointing out that if the hitters were doing what they thought we would this year… we’d be well ahead in the NL East, and we’d be talking about the World Series and which team we’ll be playing..

    Since this team has the talent to get that far, I’m still expecting them to turn it on at some point here down the stretch…

    Last night the bats were there, but couldn’t account for Kendrick’s mess…

    Its a good team, that can beat any team in the NL… I don’t think they can hang with the Angels or RedSox in a 7-game series… but I do think they could take care of the WhiteSox, Twins, or Rays..

     
  • Posts: 0 Georgie

    Don M , you sound like you’re telling people to be frontrunners. Just because you don’t think you’re team has a chance at the WS doesn’t mean you can stop following/watching them, that’s a frontrunner! But don’t expect me to be thrilled and all googly-eyed when they “don’t quite make it” every year.

     
  • Posts: 0 RiVLez

    Don M you need to calm down a little bit. The Phillies are not a World Series team, you need to face reality with that one.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jim D.

    What aggravates me the most about this team is that talent wise they should have won 100 games this year with the pitching they received.
    But for some reason the bat’s have been mired in a slump for almost the entire season. Are they still in the race absolutely. I just find it disgraceful that a team that got better pitching then even they could have dreamed of are on the verge of wasting it because the 264 lifetime hitting coach and the manager who’ll talk hitting with you all day
    have not been able to get this offence on track.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    no, we follow them because its philly and theyre our team.

     
 
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