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Moyer is our Yoda.

If Moyer has a 5+era what is the point of having him other than pitching coach. Thats just assanine with young guys like carrasco and happ waiting to get their shot. Not saying that i think too highly about their chances of doing that this year or next year, but if Moyer can pitch like this than yes, he is a great third option behind two of the games top pitchers at the moment.

Jamie Moyer has become one of my favorite Phillies of all time, if not my favorite. You can have your Chase Utleys and Ryan Howards, your Darren Daultons and Lenny Dykstras, and your Mike Schmidts and Steve Carltons, they’re all fine and good. Give me Jamie Moyer, the 45 year old guy who could have retired a decade ago, slinging 70 mph junk and getting the job done. I was not even two years old on Jamie’s June 1986 debut, and 21 years later the guy leads the Phillies in wins. It’s like something out of a Disney movie. Even if he’s just a serviceable #5 guy I’d definitely want to see him back next year, and if not I’d definitely want to see him coaching here.

Stability, leadership, true veteran presence behind servicable performance on the mound. The bullpen will feature heavily when Moyer pitches but his implosions are so and far between that if everyone around holds up their end of the bargain you can chalk up a win. Moyer is an incredibly important feature and is virtually irreplacable because opponents see that name and suddenly their skills are diminished, how can you prepare against a guy who’s twice as prepared as you are who has made a career of executing his gameplan. Remember moneyball, in his late thirties he drew high praise for his ability to compete and in his mid forties he shows no signs of not being able to pitch like he has during his tenure in Philly.

Next year when he hits 250 wins he’ll get himself on that HOF ballot, the Seattlefest hasn’t exactly made this team into a legitmate contendor but Moyer along with Romero has given this staff some professional respectability which it lacked for a long long time.

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It’s not just 15-17m with Sheets (who’s growing on me as he’ll pitch 200 in a year he hasn’t been completely healthy) is not the full story, if your Houston, the Dodgers or even the Mets you see this guy as an instant fix without caring about the long-term implications. Are we sorry now we didn’t land Soriano because it’ll be the same situation, someone’s going to be willing to tack on that extra year or guarantee more money and is Sheets really the guy? Maybe with Myers departing into FA you take a chance but I don’t know… FA is a crapshoot and what is better for us? The hope that a guy like Sheets takes us over the top or looking to building the kind of farm that made Milwaukke this competitive?

oh and I’ve been thinking about the Mets team MVP as well. While I considered Carlos Delgado, I ultimately decided their team MVP should be Kyle Kendrick..thoughts?

Moyer is the team MVP by a longshot, Hamels has pitched a fantastic year but Moyer has excelled past expectations. A 3.5 ERA with 14 wins with a couple to throw aged 45 is as mindblowing as Lincecums entrance into the majors.

Moyer’s been good for most of his career but has been nothing short of great this year and that word gets watered down used so much, but he’s had a legitimately great year.

I’ve coming to the feeling were under a new farm to the Howard/Utley era. Have tried to dig up more information on the VPs overseeing the scouting/development and it’s hard to tell who’s responsible for the positives and should bear responsiblity for the failings. Since Utley we’ve had three prospects feature for more than a cup of coffee and all were emergency injury call-ups in Hamels, Kendrick and Zagurski.

As it stands we cannot field a legitimate replacement for Burrell as Golson’s bat is nowhere near ready to get his legs into the game consistently, our bullpen has 3 departing free agents and Madson creeping very close with only 1 minor leaguer in sight who hasn’t pitched in a very long time. Our insurance for Howard is in A-ball and was a lucky find and the rest of our prospects are either starting pitching with no spots or CFers very similar to Golson. We have some really good looking prospects and Lakewood/Clearwater/Reading look good places to develop prospects but many elements of the farm are a real mess. Thoughts?

You can’t hold it against Golson that he isn’t ready yet… but the smart thing to do with Golson is WAIT until he is ready to come up… which could be next year if he plays in the fall league and winter leagues.. and impresses at Spring Training.. but will more likely be sometime mid-season or to start 2010.

The Phillies have used recent draftpicks to bring in top-athletes, which seems to be the way to win in baseball… 45 HRs are nice from your outfielders, but not if they never steal you any bases, or create any runs… so the Phillies now have a bunch of young guys with 20-20, or 30-30 potential… and a bunch of young pitchers that other teams would covet in their systems…

I agree with someone saying that the Bell and Gordon signings cost them those draft picks.. BUT.. Gordon was good overall.. AND.. most draft picks dont make the big leagues anyway, so its not as big a deal as we think

I’d definitely welcome Moyer back as a player/coach. He seems like a decent guy even though he went to St. Joes. Bri or Tim – Not sure if you did this, but maybe we can put up a link for the Man of the Year ballot? Moyer certainly seems deserving for his work on and off the field.

Julie, yes I would definitely say Moyer has to be Man of the Year, he’s always talking to the younger pitchers during warm-ups and games, but sometimes I wonder if they listen to what he has to say.

o yeah Moyers done wonders with Kendrick..

see now that qualifies as old man strength. a 46 year old man, pitching on 3 days rest, goes out there and gets it done. then after the game is like: “arr, somebody had to pitch tonight, might as well have been me. someone had to step up.” awesome.