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K-Rod has 7 blown saves this year too..

Lidge will get votes im sure, but Webb, Lincecum, and CC Sabathia will finish ahead of him most likely..

I feel like I’m being a negative Nancy, haha — Brad Lidge has been one of the absolute best pitchers in the league this year, and it’s been incredibly lucky for us that he’s done so in a Phillies uniform.

There should be an award for closers. Like, the Eckersley Bronzed Moustache or something.

He couldn’t have worked out better! Granted, when the trade was first made, I was concerned about his emotional makeup. How would he respond after his first blown save at home? Would the fans get all over him and would he melt down again. I didn’t think he’d be perfect. I am still concerned about what might happen in a pressure game down the stretch. Maybe it would have been better if he blew one earlier in the season and got over it…….

Scheity – very welll written. Great analogy to the kicker there. 10 points

Lidge? What about Moyer?

14 Wins. 3.86 era and he’s in his 80′s.

Without a doubt Moyer has been our MVP this season.

He doesn’t deserve the Cy Young award, but he certainly deserves votes. Hamels will probably get a few votes too because of the era, whip, ip, and k’s.

Probably no Phillie or Met will win MVP. Too many candidates on both teams. They will siphon votes from each other. Look for a Cubbie. Or, Braun if the Brewers sneak back in.

Lidge has been doing an amazing job, but will not win the Cy Young. Does he deserve votes? Absolutely. But Lincecum is 17-4 with a 2.46 ERA and about 250 strikeouts on an absolutely horrific team. And, after all, the Cy Young Award goes to the BEST pitcher, not the most valuable.

Which is why Ryan Howard should be NL MVP, not Pujols.

I don’t think Lidge deserves the Cy Young just because I think closers are so specialized and I think a pitcher that wins 20 games is more deserving than any closer, even Lidge or K-Rod. Still, as amazing as Ryan Howard, Jamie Moyer, and others have been this year, Brad Lidge is the reason that the Phillies are leading the NL East. The Phillies are 73-0 when leading after 8 innings, that’s just unfathomable! Meanwhile, the Mets bullpen has blown something like 12 saves this year. Give Lidge four blown saves, probably average for a closer, and take away a couple blown saves from the Mets and we’re out of the NL East race. That’s how important Lidge has been to this team, when he comes in it’s a guaranteed win this year, and in a close race with the Mets that makes all the difference.

yea but take away Howard and we’re out of it…. take away Moyer and we’re out of it… take away Hamels and we’re out of it..

you could say that ANY player on the team, because its the ALL the pieces together that make this team what it is.. nobody thought that Lidge or Moyer would have the years they are having, so while they are more SURPRISING.. I wouldn’t definitely say that they are more valuable.. its a great problem to have though, which guy on your team is the MVP !!!

obviously howard and hamels arent going anywhere, nor should they.

because thats going to free up some money to improve the team in other ways. the two big needs they have are Starting Pitcher and Right Field (assuming Burrell leaves and Werth moves to Left. Wheres all that money going to come from?

you ahve shortstop(S) in the minor leagues who can do a good enough job for cheaper. not better necessarily but good enough. the bottom line is that jimmy rollins is expendable.

for moyer, who has been GREAT this year, what a great way to go out? after a positive year. possibly a playoff run? great way to go out. its a no brainer to keep him around the organization though because of what he can offer the plays in terms of wisdom. hes the best suited guy ive ever seen to be a pitching coach. what a wealth of knowledge about pitching he must be to younger pitchers. fill the slot with a very good starter and make happ be the 5th man.

now..theyll probably have to sign a free agent to address the corner outfield needs….again.

every time rich dubee goes out to talk to the pitcher, and then leaves him him, 70 percent of the time the next batter drives in a run. PERIOD!
that tells you all you need to know about rich dubee.

Geoff…I usually agree with most of what you say, but the Phillies should resign Jamie Moyer. He wants to pitch. Why would you deny him of that after everything he’s done for this clubhouse? Also, you’re not going to find anyone in the corner outfield market worth signing. They’ll have to trade for one. My vote is for DeJesus. This would be a good line up.

Rollins
Utley
DeJesus
Howard
Werth
Victorino
Feliz
Ruiz/Marson/Coste

if i were the royals id ask for carlos carrasco, greg golson, and jason donald, period.

you want zach grieinke? Lou marson, JA Happ, jason donald, greg golson, MINIMUM

Geoff, they are the fcuking ROYALS.. they have no leverage at all in trades.. if they want to keep good players on their shitty team instead of brining in young guys that they dont have to pay.. let them…

I love that when you want the Phillies to trade their guys you talk about how other teams will take ANYTHING in return.. but when someone else brings up trade talks you say how it’ll cost your entire farm system.. and two of those guys Marson and Donald, are going to be All-Stars in your eyes, a little steep, no?

thats what im saying don

im throwing that out there in response to their calls for greinke and dejesus. im saying, if you want those players you gotta cough up your best prospects, period.

the arguments against lidge for cy young are the same type of argument people give for pitchers not winning mvp…but it has been done..gagne won the cy young as a closer and the role is obviously important if you have closers winning mvp awards in the postseason…the guy does his job better than any other pitcher out there (besides lincecum who i think should get it)

i agree howard is most valuable and it has been all season, besides the avg he has been an rbi machine he hits when it counts. pujols is overall the better player but the cardinals with him are going to be watching the playoffs and would be without him…the phils would not be anywhere near the playoffs without howard

Dennis Eckersely and Sparky Lyle won cy young awards.

Gagne, was 2-3 with a 1.20 ERA and had 137 strikeouts and 20 walks in 82 1/3 innings the year he won the CY Young. Lidge’s numbers are not going to be there obviously, but it is not far fetched to think he will at least get some votes.

gagne doesn’t have those numbers anymore but at least the needle-marks on his ass have healed

i cant believe how awesome lidge has been. i knew hed be clutch, but not like this.

and taht needs to happen right after they trade j-hole!!!!!

My vote would go to Lincecum(17-4, 243 Ks, 2.46 ERA on a bad team); Lidge would definitely get some consideration; Webb has been good, but has tailed off dramatically since the start of the year; Sabathia has been amazing(best NL pitcher since he’s been here), but the fact that he hasen’t played here all year will detract from his votes.

My order would be:
Lincecum
Lidge
Sabathia
Webb

wade probably felt obligated to hand us lidge because of the years of bad GM’ing… j/k i think wade did an OKAY job here, the farm sucks but we compete