Game Five Postponed At 2-2 Tie

Posted by Tim Malcolm, Mon, October 27, 2008 11:24 PM | Comments: 134

UPDATE: Game five has been rescheduled for 8 p.m. Tuesday.

The Phillies had a 2-0 lead. Then the rain came down. 2-1 lead. Harder. Stronger. 2-2. Game stopped.

Major League Baseball has postponed game five due to rain at a 2-2 tie in the bottom of the sixth. Cole Hamels will lead off the game when it’s re-started. Commissioner Bud Selig has not given a time for the game to begin again.

Selig also said he could’ve stopped the game before the bottom of the sixth, meaning the Phils could’ve had a 2-1 lead with the game stopped. (Of course, I don’t want the Phils winning the world championship on a shortened game.) Instead, Hamels and the Phils had to play through the rain, and the Rays scored the tying run, before the game was finally halted.

Frankly, this is a black eye for baseball, and especially for Selig, who has once again proved incompetent as leader of this organization. The game should’ve been stopped before the sixth. Throw out the rulebook. This is the World Series. And it’s ridiculous — absolutely freakin’ ridiculous that this whole charade took place so late.

Forget homerism. The rain created a harsh atmosphere way before the sixth. And now the Phils have a tie game, have little momentum, and complete uncertainty as to when the game will be resumed. Some fans will be shut out of the possible clincher. Hamels may not pitch again this season. And now a huge risk is run — the Phils suddenly find themselves needing to win, and soon, because Tampa awaits. Now it’s confusion ruling the roost, handled horribly by the idiot upstairs. I’m sorry Bud Selig, but you struck out this time.

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  • Posts: 0 Phillies Phan SC

    If I missed this, please forgive me, it is late. What about Myers starting it and then once we score we go to Lidge/Madsen if needed? My reason is simple: He pitches better at home and it saves the Pen IF we go in extra innings. If the unthinkable happens, we can use Moyer and Blanton, in game 6 and 7 – who seemed to do well. What does everyone think? I mean, throw EVERYTHING we have to keep them at zeroes, and pray someone on our side pops one.

  • Posts: 0 Phillies Phan SC

    Mike S and Chuck –

    My apologies, I just saw the post. Mike S, respectfully, I am not sure it is a stupid idea. I am thinking longevity too. Look – best case scenario, we win – season over. Worst case we must go to game 6 and 7, and Myers does better at the Park, versus away. He certainly did well the other night – but here he can act as a starter by just putting up zeroes. if we score, we bring Madsen and/or Lidge in to preserve it.

    I am in the mindset that we HAVE to win at home, and I would be willing to do whatever it takes. Heck, if we had to pitch one pitcher per batter to the ninth inning I’d do it. I do not care what it takes, let’s just WIN.

  • Posts: 0 Phillies Phan SC

    I just got done reading the entire thread, something I should have done before I posted my first foot in mouth post. Let’s NOT think the worst yet. We are tied, not losing. New 3-inning ballgame coming up. let’s just get out there and call all of our friends with tickets (or if you are at the game) and tell them to cheer LOUD and root the Phillies on. We can do it I still believe. Remember the movie Major League, when he said “Only one thing to do – win the whole f—- thing.” So let’s stop thinking the worst (including me), talk about winning, and figure out HOW to do this effectively. if we think of it as our last game of the year, we can use anyone we want (minus Hamels, Moyer, and Blanton just in case of course). Everyone else is available on the bench and in the pen. That is 22 freaking people. One of those 22 can pop one out. heck, 23 people if you want to hope Blanton smacks one out again. You get my point. Games is not over yet, let’s get pumped. I just think of the Mets fans and how miserable they are and how much they want us to lose. Let’s end this rivalry for the last time and WIN.

  • Posts: 0 Mark

    I’m not going to take Selig to task for the game suspension, or when the game was called. I’m just dealing with the game as it is. The Phils had scoring shots in both the fourth and fifth innings — bases jammed in the fourth, but couldn’t deliver. Kazmir walked 6 Phils in 4 innings and the Phils had left 9 runners stranded through 5 innings of at-bats.

    As the Phils started the sixth up 2-1, it seemed obvious, rain or not, that they needed to score more runs to win this thing.

    As to whether or not Hamels wins if he’s pulled for a pinch hitter and the Phils score in the sixth — my understanding is that he would be credited with the win.

    Whether Hamels bats, or a pinch hitter, and whether we see Madson, or Durbin, or maybe even J.A. Happ in the seventh — we’ll see what move Charlie makes.

    I just hope that the clubhouse gets over anger and gets down to business. Otherwise, curses are self-fulfilling prophecies.

  • Posts: 0 Phillies Phan SC


    You are correct – IF they score in the 6th and they MAINTAIN the lead, Hamels gets the win and whomever the Rays pitcher was who gave up the tie would be tagged with the loss.


  • Posts: 0 Isaiah

    Ok..I am not sure how to fault Selig. I think it would have been worse to cut it off after five. Then you have the bullpen pitching another inning-even though Hamels gave up a run I like my chances with him. If the Phils wouldnt have CHOKED AGAIN with RISP it would not have even mattered. We have four chances to put some up and close it out with Madson (remember he can go 2), JC if need be, and Lidge. Mother Nature was mean to us but can’t change it now. Let’s get em and take the ring.

  • Posts: 0 Matt Veasey

    I published this morning at my website/blog, and thought you folks might enjoy this. All the daily entries this past week have been about the Series, in fact, if you wish to visit and read them:

    The Dream Delayed, or Drowned?

    It all started so well. Game #5 of the World Series began last night with Phils’ ace Cole Hamels mowing the Tampa Bay Rays down in order and in easy fashion in the top of the first. In the bottom of the inning, the Phillies loaded the bases thanks to some rough umpiring and the early wildness of Rays all-star lefty Scott Kazmir. And then Phillies’ centerfielder Shane Victorino, the ‘Flyin’ Hawaiian’, one of the many heroes of this glorious post-season ride, lashed a base hit to left field to score two runs and give the Phillies an early 2-0 lead. The fans at Citizen’s Bank Park erupted in a frenzy of ‘Rally Towel’ waving, and thus began what was hoped to be, what everyone believed would be, the night that would end ‘The Curse’…….(continued at http://www.mattveasey.com)

  • Posts: 0 Ryan

    Bullshit. The game should have been postponed way before this. Bud Selig wants Tampa to have a chance. I can’t believe this. It’s like even nature doesn’t want the Phillies to win.

  • Posts: 0 Jim D.

    the way i see it with the forecast what it was mlb had two options
    1. move the start time up to 7
    2. not even attempt to play
    they chase neither and this is what they created
    i wonder if they would have sent the red-sox and the dodgers out
    in those conditions

  • Posts: 0 BrewTownPhilsPhan

    The problem with Selig is that he comes across as totally unprepared, and he worries too much about appearances. He knew he would look bad and was trying to avoid looking bad. Consequently he made a bad decision – let the game go on in bad conditions and hope for a tie at the end of a half inning. Someone in his position needs to be decisive – just stop the thing when the field demands it and say, “look, no one in either clubhouse wants this thing determined by a called game, so it’s suspended.” If he had acted with confidence in his decision it would have been ok. Instead he sat there fretting about how he would look, and now he looks like the spineless wonder that he is. Meanwhile, Phillie needs to overcome a bs run that the rays managed to squeak out of this inning. The situations sucks for Philly, but it isn’t that Bud wants us to lose, it’s just that he’s an incompetent boob.

  • Posts: 0 T Marty

    Those tears of joy have now turned to juts of rage. So upsetting. i know it’s not over, but it was just SUCH a let down. A whole day of adrenal excitement wasted.

  • Posts: 0 LH

    I agree Tim. It was an ugly display of MLB’s administration procedures at the highest level.

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  • Posts: 0 LH

    Bud Selig said last night, “I would not have allowed a World Series to end this way”, when referring to game over because of a rain delay. What he should have thought before the game was, “I will not allow a World Series to start this way”, when he saw the rain during batting practice and read the threatening weather forecast.

  • Posts: 0 Manny

    “Maybe it is a lifetime of disappointments, but it just feels like this kind of stuff would only happen to us. ”

    No sh*t. This only happens to the Phillies! I’m extremely upset with this whole situation and I have this terrible gut feeling too, SJ Mike. It’s exactly the type of thing the Rays needed to get a comeback. However, I’m doing my best to hide my frustration and see how the rest of the game turns out. I’d go with Durbin/Romero/Eyre/Madson for the 7th and 8th innings and hopefully give Lidge the possibility to close the 9th.

  • LH: But given the forecast you think it would have been prudent to potentially have to wait till Wednesday to play this game?

  • Posts: 0 Katie

    The forecast is terrible for tonight with 50 mph wind gusts and snow flurries. Selig said game will not be moved up; will start at 8. I would not expect the game to happen tonight. It probably will be tomorrow at 8.
    With that said, if more some horrible, awful reason, the Phils were to lose and the rest of the game were played tomorrow, would there still be a travel day? Would game 6 be played on Friday? Meaning game 7 would be Saturday? If the worst thing were to happen and a game 7 happened, Hamels could go on regular rest for a game 7 if they kept the travel day in there.

    I was as absolutely furious as the rest of you last night watching that ridiculous press conference. Especially when Selig pulled out the bull shit rule book. Then when he said the game would never end with it being called, it would have been an indefinite rain delay, I really saw how everyone is against us. Why not suspend the game in the 5th or the end of the 5th? There is no way Jimmy would have dropped the ball in normal conditions and it would still be 2-1. I am absolutely disgusted and like some of these other posts have a sinking feeling. I think the city got too ahead of ourselves. People were already taking off work for the parade on Wednesday. I feel like we cursed ourselves.

    However, I am trying to remind myself that this is a tie game and we bat first. We will do it! this is our moment!

    F Fox and F Selig!

  • Posts: 0 Doug

    Reading some of the posts on here are completely ridiculous. MLB wants the Phillies to lose? Yeah, I bet there is some grand conspiracy of Bud Selig sitting in his office with his evil cabal of MLB executives making sure that the game would be in the Rays favor!

    Think about it objectively, people. Imagine the flack they would have received if they did call the game. Picture yourselves as Rays fans, to have your season end, to have to World Series DECIDED on a rain shortened game. It would be cheap by every sense of the word.

  • Posts: 0 Banger

    We need to be better prepared we now let Delaware become Rays fans . We as host needed to provide a hotel that should of beenBuds job . We need to be better prepred the Rays shouldnt have had totravel out of Steate thay should have stayed here they cant stand howard espens so they go out of stae not to put up with philly fans and media . How embarrsing is that to a city to send a team n hour or so away . We need to be better host but dam it now go Beat Rays

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  • Posts: 0 bigmyc

    There is no cursing ourselves, Katie….that was and is perfectly natural…no, the problem is seemingly otherworldly….what this means is that when these Fightins’ put a knot on this administrative disaster of a World Series and close out the 2008 baseball season victoriously for the City of Philadelphia, what a party it’ll be.

    I don’t see anything wrong with making the neccessary arrangements in light of victory. This is just going to be another hurdle for which the Phillies will have to get past in order to claim what’s theirs…and wouldn’t that be in true Philly fashion?

  • Posts: 0 Everi Mann

    When the commisioner was on I thought at first is was some wino derilect. Maybe the rain got thru the carboard he was under. Phillie gets screwed again and not even kissed.

  • Posts: 0 LH

    Scholar in Training: Yes, it would have been fair to allow the players to work to their potential giving the importance of the World Series. Both team’s pitchers could have waited and played in better conditions which would have allowed the best of the two pitchers to possible play longer in the game. The conditions diminished the each player’s offensive and defensive skills. The one positive aspect is that no player was hurt.

  • Posts: 0 KM

    That game last night was bullshit, and the Phillies get hosed as usual. Bud Selig not only needs to lose his job as commissioner, but he should be tied up, have all his body hair ripped out, then be burned with sulfuric acid, and then stoned to death in the street, and after that have his body picked at by rats, infested with disease.

    Basically I am saying he blows.

  • Posts: 0 Georgie

    KM-”basically I am saying he blows”. In a round-about way, I see. LOL

  • Posts: 0 nationals#1

    doug, none of us are saying that we wanted the game to be called and have the phils win on a shortened game. In fact several people (phillies fans) said it would be a cheap way to win. We’re simply saying that selig mishandled the whole situation, and we’re bitter about the tying run that probably would not have scored under normal circumstances.

  • Posts: 0 Joel (GO PHILLIES!)

    I’m with KM….

  • Posts: 0 Joel (GO PHILLIES!)

    Why’d the Rays have to come to MY state to stay…damn…

    Laxatives in the Continental breakfast perhaps???

  • Posts: 0 Mike S.

    the worst case…
    if they lose game 5, and lose game 6…

    this is what Cole had to say about pitching game 7

    “If the Phillies want me to pitch, I’d tell them I’m more than happy to step in,” Hamels said.

    so there you go…
    after seeing that, i change my mind…if he WANTS to pitch, you let him pitch…

    hopefully, he doesnt need to

  • Posts: 0 Tom Z

    I have a bad feeling about this, really bad feeling

  • Posts: 0 Adam

    Christ on an friggin’ cracker… What the hell is wrong with you people?

    All of you with these “bad feelings” need to get an ‘effing grip already, especially SJ Mike (not to necessarily pick you out to pick on… but you’re panicking worse than a school-girl who missed her period.)

    Seriously son… You and everyone else need to take a step back and calm the hell down. If you’d been waiting all your life for last night’s game… Then I’m going to go out on a limb here and assume that you’re fairly young – Being such, I realize that with a dearth of things to draw on it’s difficult to do so… but you’ve got to put things in perspective. The same goes for everyone else who’s needlessly panicking.

    Let me say this first just to get it out of the way… The timing of the weather last night was unfortunate, as was the further poor decision making skills of this year’s officiating staff. Regardless of the debacle last night, the umpires in this World Series have shown themselves to be some of the worst in recent memory. Frankly, I feel it wouldn’t be out of the question if they lost their jobs for their performance (or lack thereof) in this series… At the very least, they should be fined and banned from ever officiating any post-season games from now on. How could we honestly expect them to exercise proper judgement or stand up to Fox or Selig, if they can’t even call outs that were seen from the friggin’ space station? I mean really… Calling Upton safe at first during game three and then calling Rollins safe at third on Sunday night were some of the most absurd calls I’ve seen in quite some time, let alone in the same series. As if that weren’t bad enough, they’ve seemingly forgotten how to call pitches… despite how much I didn’t really mind it, I’ll always give credit where it’s due – there was no way Kazmir walked six batters… Yes, he threw some obvious balls, but he was throwing quite a few strikes last night that weren’t being called, a prime example being Pat The (Useless) Bat – He should have been out. They were being unbelievably tight on him… Despite the fact I think they gave Blanton some leeway the night before and were especially cutting Jamie some big breaks on Saturday. Again… it worked to our favor, so I really couldn’t care less – but I’ll still call it as I see it.

    As far as that ass-hat Bud Selig goes… I have long contested that he is one of the worst, if not the worst person to ever hold the Office of the Commissioner and has done more to single-handedly destroy the game of baseball than anyone in my lifetime. I wish the owners would finally grow a pair and remove him from office… but he’s one of their own and they’ve already proven they’d rather cut their respective noses off despite their ugly, immoral faces. With that said… As much as I continue to loathe him, I don’t think there’s this grand conspiracy against the Phillies or that he necessarily wants them to lose – He’s simply an incompetent retard that loves himself and his money more than he does the game.

    Three things are pretty damn obvious (that is, to everyone other than Selig and to a lesser extent – Gillick and the 12-year old over at the Rays). First – The game shouldn’t have been played at all… Selig can make all the smug comments he wants about meteorologists, but it only proves that he was only listening to the ones he wanted to listen to because John Bolaris had been saying well before the game started that rain would be moving by the start of the game and that it would start getting really nasty by 10pm at the latest. If he was so insistent about playing the game, he should have done the right thing – said “F you” to Fox and started the game at least an hour earlier (ie – when it should’ve started anyway). And then finally… If he already knew that he was going to suspend the game under the new rules no matter what, then he should have called it at the top of the fifth, period.

    NOW… With all that out of the way, let’s look at the reality of the situation and put things into perspective. The only reason why any of you are having a “bad feeling” is because you did the one thing you should never, ever do – You started counting your chickens and celebrating before the game even started. Not only were you setting yourselves up and begging for disappointment, but you were taunting the baseball gods… You don’t EVER fck with the baseball gods and you don’t ever get excited and celebrate before the final out… You just don’t do that.

    Truthfully speaking… The numbers weren’t adding up in my head. The Rays are a good team and I honestly didn’t expect them to lose three straight – I mean, come on now… Let’s be just a little realistic. Yes, it would be fantastic if they clinched it at home… but the chances of them losing three straight are about as good as them winning three straight.

    HOWEVER… Here’s where everyone is really missing the ball with all of these “bad feelings” and overreactions of missed opportunities, lost momentum, etc. If you really step back and take a hard, honest look at how the situation was unfolding… This delay might be the best thing that could have happened – Why? Just look at Miss Longoria and her boyfriend Pena… After going hitless the entire series, they finally turned it on last night and got hits. There’s no doubt that they’re really good hitters and that they were both in an uncharacteristic slump… We all know that all it usually takes it one hit to pull a player out of a slump – just look at Howard. They got their hits and I’m sure there whole mental approach had turned for it. So the absolute best thing that could have happened was for this delay to happen just as they were turning it on… The only momentum that’s being screwed with is theirs! They finally got their swing back and now they can’t play… It was perfect timing.

    The Phillies still have their momentum people… They’re leading 3-1 in the World Series and they’re tied 2-2 in a game which they’re basically getting a fresh start with. Add on top of that the fact that in most of the games so far, all of their scoring has coming earlier in the game right out of the gate… That they’ve got 3 more outs than the Rays… That they’ll most likely have Madsen and then Lidge on the mound.. While still having home field advantage on what will be a cold evening… How could this possibly be a bad thing?

    Perspective people… Perspective. We couldn’t ask for a better spot to be in… So stop your balking and whining and let’s give out team what they need.

  • Posts: 0 O'Neill

    Bob, I got a bad feeling on this one, all right? I mean I got a bad feeling! I don’t think the Phils are gonna pull this off! D’ya understand what I’m sayin’ to you?

  • Posts: 0 Banger

    what about 2009 ? a repeat what will keep philly from repeating ?

  • Posts: 0 Chalene

    Haha! Thanks for the good read

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