Phils Have A Few Options For DH
Posted by Tim Malcolm, Mon, October 20, 2008 12:24 PM | Comments: 95
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And on the fourth day, they found out their opponent.
Last night the Rays defeated the Red Sox to take the American League championship. The Rays will now play the Phillies in the World Series.
Now that the Phils have their itinerary set, they can concentrate on matchups, scouting, rotations and lineups. And they can focus on setting their lineup for Tropicana Field, which means assigning a designated hitter.
The first and most obvious option for a DH is Greg Dobbs, the best pure hitter on the Phils bench, and the best pinch hitter in baseball. In game one, against James Shields (who is said to be starting), Dobbs is the right play, and maybe in left field, allowing Pat Burrell to DH.
Game two will likely bring the Phils lefty Scott Kazmir. That takes Dobbs out of the equation. So who’s the extra hitter? Wait, let me rephrase that:
Who’s the extra hitter? So?
Yes, it’s possible So Taguchi will get the extra spot in game two. The case can be made for Eric Bruntlett, however. Chris Coste would get the spot only if he plays first base and Ryan Howard gets the DH spot. That’s not a bad idea, as it would allow Coste to stay on as the second catcher, if need be.
Dobbs should be the extra hitter in game one. Who’s the guy for game two?

















Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm
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Posted: 12:31 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 MP
Here are my predictions, said it last week too: So Taguchi should not make the roster. Lou Marson should be put in his place which would allow Coste to be DH or pinch hit if needed. I like So, but this is the World Series – if you can’t bunt a runner over, you haven’t earned a spot on this team. They’ve given him plenty of opportunities and he hasn’t given anything back.
Posted: 12:36 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Isaiah
I say do away with the DH and make the AL play the game like it is supposed to be played. Problem now moot.
Posted: 12:37 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Jim
You could do this when a righty starts for Tampa
Rollins SS
Utley 2B
Werth RF
Howard 1B
Burrell LF
Victorino CF
Dobbs 3B
Stairs DH
Ruiz C
Lefty should be:
Rollins SS
Utley 2B
Werth RF
Howard 1B
Burrell LF
Victorino CF
Feliz 3B
Coste DH
Ruiz C
Posted: 12:40 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 mike
i’m assuming you get Kazmir in game 1, not Shields…Regardless i don’t see how you can DH Chris Coste, Chris Coste is the same guy who gets nervous in a game against the Pirates in May, and you’re going to play him in the world series? Please. DH Stairs or Dobbs even against lefties, i have a feeling growing up they hit a lefty once or twice…
Posted: 12:49 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
MP,
I can understand that people think that So Taguchi should NOT make the roster… but how can anyone think that Lou Marson should make it??
A guy with pretty much NO experience at the big league level should not be added to the World Series roster.. Taguchi failed to get a bunt down in one at-bat… and then was ROBBED on a great catch by Ethier in another at-bat.. neither of those things should get him bumped for what I would consider a very risky player in Marson.
If we had another option, I’d like Coste DH-ing against LHP too, but I really think that Burrell as the DH, and Bruntlett as the LF is the way to go.. otherwise, they’d be replacing Burrell in LF late in the game anyway… so you keep him getting at-bats, and Bruntlett hits from either the 8 or the 9 hole, and its still a better lineup than you’ll have with a pitcher hitting, which is the whole point of the DH
Posted: 12:49 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Paul
I agree with Mike. I’d say stick to Dobbs or even Stairs. I am not sure if Coste is a good idea at this point…
Posted: 12:50 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 bull
the only issue i have with coste being the dh is that if something happens with ruiz and coste has to catch you lose the dh spot and the pitcher has to bat (correct me if that is not right).
no reason to not to have dobbs as your dh for the fact that you probably wont be needing a pinch hitter in the AL park.
Taguchi might have experience but he has not hit or shown he can do anything this year. If Marson is on the roster give him 4 abs can’t be any worse than taguchi or bruntlett for 4 abs in the 9 hole
When hamels pitches feliz is at third because of the glove and ground balls.
Posted: 12:52 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Joephilly
I think you gotta put coste in there against the lefties. hes the only guy on our bench who is close to dobbs.
Posted: 12:59 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 J-Man
I agree stick with Dobbs and Stairs even when we face Kazmir and i think Kazmir will start game 1 because Shields just pitched on saturday and would only be on 3 days rest while Kazmir hasn’t pitched since last Thursday.
Posted: 01:03 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Bruce
Bull, you’re correct regarding DH rule. Go to link for official MLB rule on DH:
http://tinyurl.com/5r5zwu
You will note that the designated hitter may change positions to become a position player at any point during the game; if he does so, his team forfeits the role of the designated hitter and the pitcher, another player, or a pinch hitter must bat in the newly-opened spot in the batting order.
Posted: 01:05 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 NJ
Kazmir eats up lefties and neither Dobbs, Stairs or Jenkins have a history of hitting lefties well let alone an ace arm.
Posted: 01:05 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Jim
If we are using coste was have to start him over ruiz, we cannot put him in as the DH and have Ruiz catch. If one of them gets injured were out a catcher
Posted: 01:06 PM on October 20, 2008
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I’ve heard Shields might start game one, though I also figured Kazmir would start instead. I’ll keep updating on that.
Posted: 01:08 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Chutley
I think Kazmir is going game one and i think Coste playin first is a good lineup and put Howard as DH
Posted: 01:09 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Todd
I think Dobbs will be in there as DH against righties, and bruntlett will start in the field with Burrell as the DH against lefties. It makes the most sense, as Don pointed out. Maybe Bruntlett won’t do much, but he can slap a single, he’s got some speed and he runs the bases well, kind of what you want from the 9 spot. He’s also a guy who has played innings in a world series.
Odd thing though, Bruntlett is 2-17 with 5 walks from the 9 spot. But he has scored 7 runs from that same spot, meaning, he’s scored every time he’s been on base. Obviously, 2 hits isn’t good… but 5 walks and 7 runs scored in 17 at bats? could make a difference in this series.
I could see Coste getting a PH spot or 2 for a guy like bruntlett late in the game where a power threat might be necessary.
Posted: 01:09 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 J-Man
Stairs has faced the Rays pitchers a few times because he played in the AL before he came to the Phils…He’s faced Kazmir twice and walked both times he faced him and he’s struggled against Shields and Garza and is a combined 4-30 against em.
Posted: 01:19 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 dan
why would we put coste at first and howard dh?
Posted: 01:21 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 timb
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the thinking is that coste is a better fielding 1st baseman the howard. I’d love to see Stairs get some more at bats. Also, I have a feeling Coste is due. He’s had such a quiet season.
Posted: 01:30 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 timb
just keep Geoff Jenkins far away from the plate, please…
Posted: 01:31 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Paul
I like the idea of Bruntlett in the 9 hole and playing in the field. Especially against lefties.
Posted: 01:34 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Dobbs only played 1st-base like twice, and I think Coste only once…. again, the World Series isn’t the time to be changing things up.. Howard has gotten much better at fielding his position.. his throws are still an adventure, but that usually doesn’t even come into play
Posted: 01:42 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike D.
Maybe they could just bat Brett Myers in the DH spot
Posted: 01:59 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Stuart
Matt Stairs showed us all his power in that one game, why not let him do it again. But I do like the idea of Greg in Left becuase burrells fielding drives me mad sometimes, and i would love pat to DH
Posted: 02:00 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 timb
Speaking of Geoff Jenkins, I’m surprised at the lack of comments regarding his play. I know all is positive right now with the Phils, but this has to be one of the biggest F.A. busts in recent Philadelphia history. I’m I wrong?
Posted: 02:01 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
I wouldn’t say he’s a free agent BUST.. he was signed to be a part-time player with Jayson Werth in RF.. so the fact that he averaged 20-25 HR a year in his career was when he was playing full-time… so right there you have to expect only 10-15 HRs from him.. and with less playing time, you would have to expect his average to drop, just because he isn’t seeing LIVE pitching as often.
Werth was playing so well that it became a non-issue that Jenkins should even see any playing time at all, but he had a few big hits, and a few nice catches out in RF… salary aside, I’d rather have him coming off my bench than what other teams have.
Posted: 02:07 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike S.
Kazmir is going in Game 1, not Shields.
I don’t want Coste in there…he just didn’t strike me as the kind of guy that will contribute in the World Series.
I could see Bruntlett playing right field, in the dome on the turf and letting Pat DH.
Dobbs will be the DH against everyone except Kazmir…
atleast he should be.
Jenkins won’t see any time…
the Rays have a lot of lefties in the pen, which could minimize all the lefties the Phils have…scares me a little bit that al the power and decent hitters the Phils have off the bench are lefties…
I feel okay about Bruntlett…
Taguchi and Coste do nothing for me
that said..
I also never expected Matt Stairs to hit a 700 foot homerun
Posted: 02:08 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 timb
It just seems like when he comes up to bat, you can expect either a strikeout or a weak ground ball right to the 2nd baseman. I’m not basing this on any statistical evidence, just my observation. I’ll stop being a negative Nancy, though. Go Phils!
Posted: 02:10 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 MP
Bull…my thoughts exactly! Taguchi has experience, he even has a WS ring, but he has done NOTHING for this team all year. I’d trust Marson over him at this point. The only thing holding Charlie from using Coste is if something happens to Ruiz – we have Marson who is pretty good and I think would fare well if needed – he also hit a 3 run homer on the last day of the season so I’d trust his bat over So’s. At this point, I think it’s time to cut So. He’s been given enough chances to prove he’s worthy of being on this roster. He hasn’t all season, and he hasn’t in the postseason. He shouldn’t have been on ANY of the postseason rosters.
Another fun thing worth mentioning, how funny is it that out two best hitting pitchers won’t get a shot at ABs because of the DH? Haha…
Posted: 02:13 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 timb
I’d take So over Jenkins pinch hitting in this series… call me crazy.
Posted: 02:17 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Chuck
Taguchi definitely should not be on this roster. Getting the bunt down correctly is something that all bench players especially should be able to do. I mean, that’s just really basic. And he wasn’t “robbed” of a hit by Ethier. Granted Ethier made a spectacular play. But Taguchi WEAKLY hit the ball….he blooped it…..there was really nothing to rob.
But Don M, you make a good point with Marson’s lack of experience. That is a concern and the WS is not the time for on-the-job-training. So what to do? For me, swallow real hard and pray that Taguchi does something….anything to contribute to this team effort.
Posted: 02:26 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
The AAA-Washington Nationals were using their backup players in that final game of the season… Marson hit a homerun off a dude that probably started the season working at the snack bar in the minors.
So Taguchi had a pretty big hit in that win at Shea Stadium back in like August… that one win meant that the Phillies clinched earlier.. that Cole Hamels didn’t have to pitch the final day, and allowed us to jump out to a 1-0 series lead over the Brewers!
Even if that is the ONLY time he contributed.. it helped this team directly
Obviously i know that is a mostly-ridiculous statement… but I’m baffled that people think Marson should be on the World Series roster.. it blows my mind
Posted: 02:29 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 timb
I’d love to have Tad Iguchi right now….
Posted: 02:30 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 tom
My preference would be for Marson to take Taguchi’s spot allowing Coste to DH. He’s their best right handed, non starting bat and even in a so-so year hit around .300 against left handed pitching.
Manuel has said Howard will be playing first and I agree with that move (he and Burrell both have terrible numbers when DHing as opposed to playing the field). You don’t want to play around with everyday players in the DH role too much at this point…
The combo of DH games in TB and the Rays having a number of lefties will really work against Charlie’s attempts to get Dobbs and Stairs up in favorable matchups…
Posted: 02:34 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
If it took a “spectacular play” to prevent Taguchi’s ball from being a hit ….isn’t that called getting robbed ???
I’m not trying to defend Taguchi to the death or anything.. but the guy has experience.. he’s the only player on a roster with a World Series ring
I look at it this way..
THE KEY NUMBER IS “1″
1 = The number of Phillies players that have won a World Series Ring (So Taguchi).
1 = The total number of games played at the Major League Level by Lou Marson.
Posted: 02:34 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Chuck
Don I see your point. I really do. I think we have to go on that word “intangible” here. Maybe, hopefully, Taguchi will do something along those lines that will help. I hope so. I really don’t like Taguchi and don’t really want him on the roster. But if that’s really the best option then we have to roll the dice and go with it.
Posted: 02:35 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 timb
Absolutely right, Don M.
Posted: 02:35 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Manny
Home field advantage would have been huge for us. Just think about it. Hamels and Myers starting (and batting!) the first 2 games. Moyer who’s good on the road (and slow running the bases) and Blanton (who can’t bat at all coming from Oakland) in Games 3 and 4 –and we could use DHs in Tropicana Field…
Oh well.
Bottomline: It just really sucks that BLANTON, an AL pitcher, will be the one batting in our lineup on our second home game. We clearly have no advantage for that game. Hopefully he’ll catch some of Myers magic…
Posted: 02:38 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Chuck
Maybe that ring he won IS the intangible piece of this. If this guy can bring any ounce of WS experience to the table then fine. But the first time Charlie asks him to sacrifice and he can’t I’m gonna be all over this.
And, yes, I suppose he was robbed if you want to call it that. But seriously, when was the last time the guy drove the ball to the gap?
Posted: 02:39 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 RK
People thinking Marson is only so that Coste can be used as a DH and he can be around as a backup. Nobody expects him to contribute, but honestly do you think he can do worse the Taguchi’s 0 for 4 in the playoffs, bloop one to the outfield and bunt to the pitcher
Posted: 02:40 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Chuck
If I’m not mistaken didn’t Blanton get a key hit in Milwaukee in Game 4?
Posted: 02:41 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 MP
Marson will probably not have to be used. But having him on the roster allows Charlie to use Coste – we are lacking a GOOD right handed bat, which is Coste. I don’t care if a remarkable play stopped him from getting a hit – the guy couldn’t bunt a runner over. I’m calling it like I see it, I don’t think Taguichi makes the cut. I think we need Coste to be the righty DH.
Posted: 02:42 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 RK
Blanton is 0 for 5 with 5 SO
Posted: 02:43 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
MVP Marson…with his HR off of some guy that is probably pitching in a beer league next season instead of the big leagues (7.82 ERA, .304 Batting Average Against).. had 2 hits that game.. his other two at-bats were both STRIKEOUTS..
so while its great that he hit a HR, and we all think he’s going to contribute next year, or the year after…he’s simply NOT READY to play in the WORLD SERIES…
For the same reasons I though Taguchi over Golson was a smart move (he at least gives you SOME chance to get a hit instead of a K).. and if you pinch-run with him.. he’s not as fast as Golson, but still faster than Burrell, or whoever it would be.. Marson can’t possibly give you any bit of confidence because he has ZERO experience.. I’d rather have Taguchi (career .279 hitter)
Posted: 02:47 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Chuck
I’m conflicted here. MP, I originally said just what you are saying…..the guy has to be able to sacrifice successfully. That is basic. However, Don M makes a good point about WS experience with Taguchi. Forget the play by Ethier. It still was a weakly hit ball. I guess I have to say that Taguchi is the better choice and if we need a third carcher for some reason then Werth can probably do it in a pinch. Would he be worse than an inexperienced Marson?
Posted: 02:50 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Taguchi.. in his 0-4 hasn’t struck out in any of those plate appearances either…
And since we were all so fired up at Ryan Howard for saying that a strikeout was the same as any other kind of out… and we all know it isn’t… people need to be a little more patient, and understand that most pinch hitters DON’T get hits.. But an experienced guy that makes contact, at least gives you a chance to make something happen.
Again, I’m not a big fan of Taguchi, but people get carried away with pretending he’s the worst player in all of baseball..
Posted: 02:52 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Chuck
This could actually play to Taguchi’s advantage when you think about it. The guy has this HUGE monkey on his back and is probably really anxious to get it off. I think he COULD….not will…..be super motivated to contribute because of this.
Posted: 02:53 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Manny
Yea, the whole point of having Marson is IF Ruiz gets injured in away games only with LHP. Marson wouldn’t be expected to have a single AB unless it’s the 11th inning or something like that. We need to make the most out of our RH bench players, and Coste is one of them who just happens to be a catcher.
Posted: 02:54 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Chuck
Anybody have any of Taguchi’s numbers away vs. home? That could dictate how he is used if it comes to that.
Posted: 02:56 PM on October 20, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
When do they need to announce the roster by?
10am on the day of the first game?
It will be really interesting to see what they do.. because there are about 10 different ways they could go with a DH, if they want to go with defense instead of just stacking the lineups with bats
Posted: 02:57 PM on October 20, 2008