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The Phillies offered him a fair deal, he rejected, time to move on and take a stab at…. hmmmm….. boy there’s not exactly a lot of great options out there that could actually handle playing in Philly.

The Rockies are trying to trade away Matt Holliday… would the Phils give away half the farm for him?

that was a lowball offer, if their going to offer him a 2 year deal the money will need to be right and that’s below what market value would be. The rumor is a he’s looking for a 4 year deal but the Phils don’t want to go past 2, either way if this rumor is true it’s a clear indication the Phils aren’t serious about bringing him.

Great shame, it’s likely he’ll sign with a team that will only net the minimum type A compensation. Do you really want Holliday for a few months with little hope of re-signing him?

sorry meant eleven million.

Yeah that was a low offer. were going to need that money to lock up Victorino/Hamels.

We have the money to keep Burrell and address our restricted FA’s if we’re conservative in the open market, remember this year were finally free of the Thome deal plus the contracts for Helms and Gordon and anything we were paying towards Abreu.

He might take a 2 year plus options with decent buy-out deal but would you take the offer he’s reporteddly just had? I hope the article was referring to the offer earlier in the year.

I wonder if there’s going to be back and forth between the Phils and Burrell this offseason, or if it’s just going to be a one and done offer type scenario.

I will say that as much as I hate Burrell’s overall inconsistancy and his lack of speed/defense, he does seem to command a lot of respect around the club. That’s worth 2 million or so in itself, so maybe 13-14 a year isn’t totally out of the question. Although giving him that much may hamper their ability to lock up other players. Should be an interesting offseason – hope they don’t blow it, because I really do think we can go back to the series next year.

Burrell will end up on the Dodgers when they don’t resign Manny.

Never have really cared for Pat.So if he leaves the Phillies no biggie.I always thought Pat was more about himself than anything else.

I have to agree with Matt here…..Pat Burrell is putting his nose up at an offer that is probably more than what he’s worth. He has been really inconsistent especially during the post season. At times he seems like the black sheep of the team, only because he puts himself in that position. He tends to isolate himself from the team at times if anyone takes notice and observes these things at all. He seems a little full of himself. Give the $$$ to Rollins, Victorino, Utley, Hamels, or get Manny on our team. Now there’s a good lookin’ dream team that knows how to play ball good and do it w/teamwork!!

I have a hunch Pat will end up taking the offer or the Phils will up it to 3 years…Pats not going to get much better in the free agent market.

On the other hand, this “MONICA S” sounds like someone who has a grudge against Pat just because he turned down her sloshy advances at the Irish Pub.

If Pat rejects – so be it. I personally think the money is better spent on Cole Hamels and the others. I think Goldson (I think that is his name, he wears #40) will be good if he can get hitting. That guy is fast and young. They should work on developing him and see how he does in Spring Training. The only flaw I see on him so far is that he was swinging kind of early – but again – he is young… Just a thought. It would bring up talent and give us money to pay our Champs or as Chase says our world ******* champs; that is still funny.

J-Man,

After Brett Myers I am hesitant to “write someone off” but unlike Myers, Eaton fought going to the minor leagues. In addition, Eaton posted poor numbers there, so I would consider releasing him. Again, I think we have a winning formula, so we should stick with what we have, and let Burrell go if he chooses… Just my worthless opinion

If Pat really wants to play in Philly so bad, *and* if he has the capacity to be honest with himself, he should be a mensch and take the deal. He’s 32, his fielding and running are iffy, so really what it amounts to is they’re willing to pay him for his hitting and because a lot of people want him to stay.

I like Pat and would wish him to stay, but IMO he’s already overpaid. So if he’s going to get greedy, then I think we should–however reluctantly–let him walk.

I am a huge fan of Burrell. I’ve followed him from his early years through today! From the lowest of lows to producing the hit that would be driven in to win the World Series! I think it is only fair that he test the waters to see how much he is worth. If he remains a Phillie, I will be thrilled. Should he end up on another team, I shall simply thank him, as I have already for showing up for this city and representing the team so well. I will always be a Burrell fan. He helped get this city a championship!

Milton Bradley coming on the cheap was a funny joke there Matt… He’ll be wise to re-sign with Texas and when it comes down to it his a bad make-up player who can hit but he’s not a team guy and he’s looking to cash in.

When it comes down to it Burrell’s likely to be our best option, if he signs with a bottom 15 team we’re likely to be going to long way round to get a same for same guy for the similar terms and loosing a first round pick without one coming back in from Burrell. I really think it’s important to focus on identity in the off-season, the teams that have re-tooled after championships have seemed to really struggle for the next couple of years.

It’ll be a miracle to Eaton who has absolutely no value to anyone past a minor league deal unless someone is really willing to take a reach but they know he’ll be free agent come roster cuts.

Sound like a fair deal to me.. It is less that his previous deal, but then again he wasn’t worth what he got in his previous deal. I wouldn’t give a guy who shows up for 1/3 of a season any more than 2-3 years, especially when he has never been able to run.

Burrell is a defensive liability, he’s consistently inconsistent, slow, and he still strikes out a lot. We can’t just give him a big deal because he was there when we won a world series, we cannot let our emotions decide what we should do here.

I’m probably in the minority, but I’m very uneasy with Werth as an everyday player. I would like to see him in a soft platoon against tough righties.

Dobbs only had 9 ABs vs. LHP all year. So he’s a bench player and spot starter for Feliz at 3B. It’ll be interesting to see where the Phils go for a LF this offseason.

Matt you are not alone, Werth scares me he doesn’t hit right hand pitchers. and jenkins gives you bad arm, no speed and low offense numbers. Michael Taylor is two years away so we might need to play werth and jenkins

Misspelled Slayden’s name in my last post, but to continue my point, I think Slayden could be another Jason Michaels – a 5th OF in the major leagues.

Pat Burrell is the best, and only option here in left, yeah he is slow and can’t run, but if it wasn’t raining the on Monday night BJ Upton doesn’t score, Pat can play the field, how many errors did he have all year, I remember two, one in the regular season and one in the post season, and if Pat wasn’t hitting before the All- Star Break, when Howard was in a slump, the Phils wouldn’t be the World Series champs, we would have been looking up at the Mets, Marlins and Braves.

Adam Dunn, is more of a defesive liabilty then Pat.

Milton Bradely, is a bigger head case, as bigger anger problems and more egotistically then Pat.

Manny is more immature then Pat, he beats up 64 year old Travel Secs. because he couldn’t get him any more tickets more his boys to watch his acting job for Boston.

Greg Golson, TJ Bohn, Chris Snelling none of these three are ready for the Majors.

Matt Holliday , the Rockies would want Carrassco, Marson, Donald, Golson, hell maybe either the whole Lehigh Valley, and Reading teams for him.

Pat should get a fair deal, 3 yrs about 36 million from the Phillies Front Office, and they have the money to spend I noticed no one mentioned two seasons of three million plus through the gates at the Bank plus concession and plus all of the Post-Season money, they have the money to spend David Montgomery needs to get the other owners to blow the dust off of their safes.

Point of Information for everyone, I just did some math not inculding what Matt Stairs will make next season, and what they add with Castro in Toronto now.

With the Thome money freed up, Helms money freed and subtracting Gordon and Tagachi and Kris Benson’s money. I figured roughly around 15,725,000 dollars free, off the books for next season.