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Breaking News: Phillies Trade Golson To Texas

Posted by Tim Malcolm, Thu, November 20, 2008 08:02 PM | Comments: 67
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The Phillies traded outfield prospect Greg Golson to Texas for outfielder John Mayberry Jr.

Golson — the Phillies first-round pick in 2004 — hit .282 with 13 HR and 60 RBI for AA Reading last season. He went 0-for-6 in four games with the Phils in 2008, stealing a base and scoring two runs as a pinch runner.

Mayberry — the Rangers first-round pick in 2005 — hit .263 with 16 HR and 58 RBI for AAA Oklahoma City last season. He hit 20 total home runs in 2008 between Oklahoma City and AA Fresno. The right-handed hitter, 24, batted .351 with nine home runs and 23 RBI against left-handed pitching, too.

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Ladies and gentlemen, we may have a replacement for Pat Burrell.

Talk about thinking outside the box. Mayberry was rated 17th-best Rangers prospect by the Oklahoman in April 2008. Just a few months ago, the Rangers Web site ranked him out of their top 20 prospects list. But John Sickels last November ranked Mayberry seventh. The explanation is a review of that selection:

7. John Mayberry Jr, OF, Grade B
.270/.322/.478 for Triple-A Oklahoma. Has all the tools, shows flashes of skills but still pretty raw.

Oh look, it’s Greg Golson! Actually, Mayberry is a shade better — his K/BB rates improved in Oklahoma City to 85/30. He’s 6’6″ and 230 pounds, comes with power and some speed, but nothing close to Golson in that regard. Think of him as a slower version of Golson, with potentially more pop. And he’s right-handed.

First, it’s sad to see Golson go, as he was such a huge part of the farm system for so long. But there wasn’t much room for Golson up top, plus, he seemed to be more of a project than originally thought. Regardless of what happens in left field, I don’t think Golson had a spot in the Phillies outfield anytime soon.

Now, back to my original comment. Yes, this is Burrell’s replacement. Maybe not in 2009, but for the future, very likely. Pat Gillick originally drafted him as a high school player in 1999, but he opted for college. He’s the kind of toolsy power hitter this franchise loves, and he seems to have a bit more power than Golson. It’s very possible Mayberry will platoon with Geoff Jenkins in the outfield, but it’s also possible he starts the year as a fifth outfielder, then takes over if he’s good enough. Or it’s possible he doesn’t do any of those things. To me, however, there’s a reason the Phils dumped one toolsy power-hitting outfielder for another. They like Mayberry, and want to give him a shot in the outfield.

Right now I’m favorable of the trade, but it’s basically a wash.

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  • Posts: 0 Josh

    Can’t find anything about this guy, who is he? A prospect in the Texas system?

     
  • Posts: 0 D

    interesting move. looks like they are trading for an older, but more polished version of golson. i don’t dislike it. looks like he has a lot of tools.

    good insurance policy if they can’t sign burrell. and what a defensive upgrade in left.

     
  • Posts: 0 D

    here’s his deal. split time between AA and AAA. 2005 first rounder..here are his 2008 numbers.. low obp. decent ops. don’t know if he’s ready. could be a good guy to start in AAA

    Minors .264 BA 20 HR 10 SB .317/.480/ .797

    looks like he played with micheal taylor at stanford.

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=John%20Mayberry&pos=RF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=460055

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Drafted a year after Golson but a year older, the wrap seems to be this kid has raw power but will have everyone shaking their heads at everything between each long ball.

    Aparently Amaro has said he prefers Mayberry’s power to Golson’s speed (despite Golson’s power ceiling being virtually the same)… Sorry to be rude here but this deal wreaks of trying to pull something out of your ass and just finding sh*t. Will we just take any player that swings for the fences just to look all macho while the Mets are flashing their chequebook… Can someone find a redeeming quality in this?

     
  • Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm

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    Horrendous OBP and SLG splits in OK City, but he started hot there. He’ll compete for LF if Burrell is gone, and will be looked at to take over on the roster at some point.

    He was added to the 40-man.

     
  • Posts: 0 Frank

    I like the deal and i dont like the deal………..we need some speed off the bench but idk…Does anyone think this could have anything to do with dumping salary?

     
  • Posts: 0 mikemike

    NJ Mayberry will play at minimum in platoon with jenkins 8.6 million compared to burrell 14. advantage phillies owners.

     
  • Posts: 0 Htrain

    Did you call this? Hell yes. You said Golson would be either in the minors, majors, or traded this year. That’s really narrowing it down. Good stuff.

     
  • Posts: 0 mikemike

    The phillies dumping salary where did you get that. They are the gold standard oh I am sorry that is Jeff Laurie line .

     
  • Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm

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    Haha true. But I didn’t write trades for everyone. Golson (and I think Carpenter) were the only ones I predicted as trading chips.

     
  • Posts: 0 Frank

    The whole salary thing was a joke………..I think the Phills are gona sign Ibanez anyway ill call that 2 years 21 million with a team option for a third year for 9.5 million

     
  • Posts: 0 Htrain

    Alright, good looks. I’m not hating, you do good stuff but I had to call out the shameless self-promotion.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    I’m really surprised by this trade, I really hope Amaro’s going to be a new age GM with vision and an almost cut-throat intellegence but I’m worried this is the same story over again. We make Golson ‘unavailable’ at the deadline and then stamp the reject sign on him later, this deal is a reach. It’s not bold or shrewed it’s a reach and we’ll sit on this guy until we dump him for pocket change. So thats Valent, Byrd, Robertson, Bourn, Golson and not one has been deemed to be good enough (and we got lucky in the Lidge deal that Wade was reaching). I read a comment on the mlbtraderumors post and a guy commented he say Mayberry hit two home runs in a game, I’m sure we’ll see some of those but what about the rest?

    Very disappointed, I wasn’t expecting a big bat in a headline grabbing deal but I don’t seeing us flood the roster with guys who have ‘I’ll spend much of the year pressing” tagged all over them. Where’s the gritty, hard-nosed guys like Romero?

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    ^don’t like seeing us flood the roster…

     
  • Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm

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    You’re right — I took it off. I’m not about that stuff.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Tim your entitled to toot your own horn on here the amount you put it. Hope optimism pays off in this deal because it’s eerily familiar.

     
  • Posts: 0 Htrain

    Tim, you’re integrity will not go unnoticed. Thanks for all the great info and keep up the good work.

     
  • Posts: 0 Tom G

    I like the move…IF they use him in a Platoon from day one. If they send him to the PIGS, then NO…
    I would like them to invest some Major’s time on a young guy this season, and with his good numbers in the minors, his time is now. I was hoping Golson got this role, but since we traded for a slightly advanced version of the same player, more or less, give him a shot.
    WE have the advantage of using the April games to view Donald possibly…until Utley comes back, or using Uguchi…developing some talent early in the season will help down the stretch…via maturity or trade bait…Carasco, Happ or Bastardo need to get some time too…develop your future now with the balance of the vets, will pay long term dividends as it did with the 80 phils…you then have option of trades for sound vets…to upgrade for playoffs…time will tell, but like the move as of now

     
  • Posts: 0 Jason B

    I don’t know that this trade makes us any better in 09 but could have implications for the ’10 season. What it looks like now is we may have a right handed hitter off the bench with a littl bit of pop. That being said, after looking at dudes numbers, he doesn’t seem ready to be an everyday guy, which means Jenkins will probably get a majority of the starts in LF. Hopefully they still go out and get a guy for next year that is more suitable to platoon with Jenks.

     
  • Posts: 0 Tom G

    forgot to mention, like his extra base hit numbers…shows something signifcant here…like the corners to be able to not only hit for power but also double numbers…

     
  • Posts: 0 Jim D.

    What kind of speed does this guy poses?

     
  • Posts: 0 Jason Parks

     
  • Posts: 0 harry

    i like this trade. berry is your speed off the bench, so no need for golson there. mayberry is right-handed and mashes lefties. he also has less strike-outs then golson, walks more and plays 1b/lf/rf with good d.

     
  • Posts: 0 Durbinator

    I don’t really see the point of this trade, it looks like a lateral move. That said, I was never really high on Golson. He didn’t impress in his short stint in the bigs but he didn’t play much either. Rangers fans seemed to like Mayberry and the Rangers have traded away a lot of good young players in recent years (John Danks, Edison Volquez, Adrian Gonzalez, and Chris Young) so I think this deal is slightly in our favor. However realistically I think both players won’t be much more than 4th outfielders. It will be interesting to see what happens.

     
  • Posts: 0 Durbinator

    Also Mayberry’s father played in the Majors and that is usually a good sign.

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    thanks for the link, Jason Parks.
    I was never a big Golson fan, and I hope Mayberry will take So Taguchi’s roster spot instead of Pat Burrell’s roster spot.

     
  • Posts: 0 Sam

    I would not be surprised if we just got half a platoon.

    He hits lefties really well, and has some great power.

    So it looks like we have a mosh pit in left right now?

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Were surely not just handing a roster spot to a guy who couldn’t even get in the mix in Texas. Amaro must be working on something more but this seems like a pretty weak trade since this guy has less value than Golson if we want to flip him in another deal down the road.

    right now were still looking at werth in left and jenkins/stairs in right.

     
  • Posts: 0 Tools of Ignorance

    Okay, I kind of understand this trade. They’re getting a righty at the plate. Someone will just okay speed, but can hit for power, and isn’t too bad defensively as well….I see the trade-offs there from Golson. If he is ready to play in the show, even in a limited roll, then this may be a decent trade since it seems he is more polished than Golson at this point. However, if he is not, and spends a lot of time in the minor leagues, then this may be a wash of a trade depending on how certain other players pan out during this offseason.

    My only question is this:
    The Phillies seemed to be holding onto Golson, but I had a feeling that they would be trading him at some point.
    But did anyone else feel that they would hang onto him, and were hanging onto Golson as trade bait, to include him in a package with other players to possibly land a bigger name or more experienced player?

     
  • Posts: 0 J cole

    I see this as a minor upgrade. I just didn’t care for Golson. He reminded me entirely too much of Bourne, I’ve said it before. I really think this Mayberry cat could work out. But we won’t know until he is there. Oh well.

     
  • Posts: 0 Memphis

    Sounds like a deal for a guy who is a little closer to the bigs than Golson. I think he could figure in the mix for an outfield platoon or a righty off the bench. Rotoworld calls him “less of a longshot” than Golson, for what that’s worth. Big, lanky dude, reminds me a little of Dave Winfield. Still sounds pretty raw. If he becomes a regular contributor in ’09, it would be a surprise. Hope he has a quick bat, not a long loopy swing.

     
  • Posts: 0 J-Man

    This isn’t a bad trade because i never seen Golson coming up onto the Phils roster anytime soon and his hitting is horrible and he strikesout just as much as Ryan Howard…Watch him turn into a good hitter with Texas because they got the best hitting coach in baseball.

     
  • Posts: 0 Phillies Phan SC

    I was one who backed Golson, but I welcome the trade. I still believe Golson has a lot of quality, but agree with many that he may not be ready fully to replace Burrell. I THINK I saw this kid play one time somewhere as I remember the name. If he is who I remember he has potential. Either way – even if it not the same person, his number show his potential.

    J-Man – As you said, Golson will become a decent hitter. I still think Golson will be a good player. Perhaps not great, but dangerous on the base pads if they can get him on base. They can try the Willie Mays hayes from “Major League” 100 pushups for ever ball ht in the air. if he keeps it on the gound without striking out, Golson will be feared.

     
  • Posts: 0 Phillies Phan SC

    Gosh – I was unclear in my last post because I posted here first thing. Let me repost this below with what I INTENDED to mean. I need to proof read.

    I was one who backed Golson, but I welcome the trade. I still believe Golson has a lot of quality, but agree with many that he may not be ready fully to replace Burrell.

    I THINK I saw this kid MAYBERRY play one time somewhere – as I remember the name. If he is whom I remember, he has potential. Either way – even if it not the same person, his number show his potential.

    J-Man – As you said, Golson will become a decent hitter. I still think Golson will be a good player. Perhaps not great, but dangerous on the base pads if they can get him on base. They can try the Willie Mays Hayes from “Major League” 100 pushups for every ball hit in the air. If he keeps it on the ground without striking out, Golson will be feared.

     
  • Posts: 0 mikemike

    This is a great trade if Amaro can sell mayberry as a platoon player in left. It saves them 14 million in left and if they put donald at third and trade felix another 3 million so now if they give howard 14 million and werth and vic 5 each then they are only raising there starting payroll with raise to utley to 1 million more of salary. This will allow the owners more profit. and that is there bottom line.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck P

    Mayberry, Vic and Werth… get used to it. This is a sign that they are committed to Vic for the long-term. Why would they keep Golson if Vic is their CF of the future? They are thinking that they can groom Mayberry to be their everyday LF and I’m ok with that but this year is going to be a struggle… especially if this signifies that Mayberry is going to be in the mix for a LF platoon. Dobbs is not in that mix anymore (if he was going to play LF, I would imagine that they would want him to practice the position but with Feliz hurt, I don’t know if they can do that)… we can’t rely with a Stairs/Jenkins platoon (combined age would be like 115 years old). I think that they weren’t sure what they were going to do with Vic (I’m telling you, it’s going to cost $7 million per to lock him up for any extended period of time and if they believe that he’s their guy they need to lock him up now…). In the end, we could have gotten better value trading Golson last year. It’s not a bad trade but if the name of the game is maximizing value, we didn’t get a very good grade with Golson.

    We need to give our young players a shot earlier in their careers… and we need to give them REAL shots (not 6 AB’s, which is what Golson got and everyone formed their opinions based upon). I hope that all of this offseason stuff opens the door for some of our kids to shine.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    We have to draft the kind of guys that can handle coming up earlier and it looks like were starting to but still too many high round fliers. I’d like this trade if I thought we were brining in the right kind of guy and no offense to Mayberry but there’s clearly a reason Texas were ready to part with him as he looks like the definition of a one dimensional player. I wouldn’t have minded us dumping Golson for a guy with lesser tools but who’d come in and play hard. We can have all the talent we like but unless we bring in more guys who can just flat out play ball like Taylor and Stutes instead of the toolsy guys (who’s ceiling may be high but need an unmatched amount of grooming) we’ll keep repeating the same mistakes and I’m concerned Mayberry who’s considered to have struggled in his minor league career already is just fanning the flames.

    Looks like Mayberry’s been assigned to Leigh Valley which is the right move, we just have to hope this kid hits the ground running.

     
  • Posts: 0 Eb

    I agree that this move seems lateral instead of Up.

    However I think this trade is above average and I dont think Golson was going to be e anything but Michael Borne

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I just started reading down this post, and only got half way before I had to comment.. why is it that so many people insist that a trade or a prospect would be better off if the guy is on the MLB roster in a platoon situation, then if he were playing everyday and developing at AAA?

    Not to call anyone specific out, but someone said that if they Platoon him from day one, then he likes the trade.. if they start him at LehighValley, then he doesn’t like the trade..

    I just don’t get that thought process, Golson was going to start the year in the minors too, so its not like you are losing a player there. Maybe they feel that Golson was always going to strikeout too much and would always hit in the bottom of the lineup? Maybe this guy isn’t as fast, but has potential to be a #5 hitter?? who knows

     
  • Posts: 0 Dan C.

    I still think Burrell’s long term replacement is Michael Taylor.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Victorino should get 4-5 years.. The sooner you sign him, the cheaper you can get him too, right now he’d be available for a 24/4 deal.. if you wait until next year if will be like 30/4

    Werth could be had for 15/3 I think..

    THat is why you can’t pay Burrell close to $15 M again, because you can’t afford an outfield that makes $25 M of a $100 Million payroll

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    We have to start this guy in the minors, he’s going to have to show more than home-run power to warrant a call-up since that OBP is dreadful. We’d be very well served to get a core of young bluechips together in AAA and find stop gaps (which we mostly already have) to get the group up developed in a wave to extend the window of opportunity. With the injury situation though we have to get Donald up right now though with the intention of him playing unless the plan is to deal him by ST.

    For the Rangers I guess Golson means Bradleys not returning.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I really think Golson is going to be a decent player.. chance to be a 20/20 guy as he gets older and stronger.. he already plays great defense, and I think he’ll be a good player, maybe make an All-Star appearance or two..

    I don’t know ANYTHING about this guy Mayberry, but he went to Stanford, which means he’s smart, his dad played in the Majors, which means he’s got natural talent in his blood, he’s a HUGE guy, which means he too should develop more power, and he’s coming along at the right pace, maybe making the Majors around age 25.. lets see what we have.. and this buys the younger OFs some extra time in the minors for them to develop

     
  • Posts: 0 joe

    This trade does nothing for me either way. i would’ve liked to see Golson in some kind of package deal for a better player, but not sure how much value he had. We have to go all in while we have Howard on the squad. We’ll get lots of chips later when we trade him before he becomes a FA.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    When you trade a guy like Howard.. you would probably trade him at the deadline, 1.5 years before he would become a FA. You would look to get a AAA-pitcher, and probably 2 prospects in AA…

    When you trade a star like him, you have to make sure you get players you KNOW will make the big leagues, not just players you HOPE will make it

     
  • Posts: 0 KM

    Don’t quite get this deal. I liked Golson, and I truly hope he doesn’t end up being a star in the American League if we have a dud here.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    I still don’t get why we didn’t sell high on Golson earlier in the year with the minor league season almost over, the Gillick/Amaro must have known then he wasn’t going to feature into their plans. The Rangers are selling low on Mayberry and it looks like we’ve been caught napping since we’re selling low too only really a handful of games later.

     
  • Posts: 0 ryan

    don’t like the move. this team is loaded with power. i prefer speed.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I dont understand how its selling-low on Golson after we thought enough of him to give him a September callup, use him late in important games, and let him hang around the club during the playoffs..

    We are getting another young outfielder in return, one that can play either corner OF spot.. and has power in his bat..

    I like Golson a lot, but I can’t agree with saying that we sold-low on him, or could have gotten more..

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Everyone. Golston can’t hit a curveball. Get it. At his level of maturity, you can either hit a breaking ball….or you can’t. You don’t see any starting outfielders in the Majors that can’t hit a curve.

     
 
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