Comments on: Holliday As A Phillie: How 2008 Would’ve Looked

By: Phillies Phan SC

Phillies Phan SC — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 02:23:33 +0000

JUST FYI –

MLB.com is ALSO now reporting that the Cards and Rox are talking about Lugwig and Holliday. So we may not even have to worry about losing Vic and Werth.

By: Phillies Phan SC

Phillies Phan SC — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 02:20:58 +0000

Richie – Eaton for Jones, I’ll take that. We can use a platoon outfield if Burrell does not re-sign. Jones has ability, just had a bad year. If you are concerned about the pay difference we could have thrown Tom Gordon in it for them – not now though.

Rick – You should be the GM. I like the option for Moyer; and I think he will re-sign. I think Junior will have to give in because a good pitcher like Moyer is much cheaper than a replacement. I also think Pat would give a hometown discount. I really think he wants to stay, but he wants to see what he can get first. I may be wrong on both counts – perhaps it is hope.

By: Rick

Rick — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:13:14 +0000

I really think that resigning Burrell is the way to go. Holliday will just be a rental for one year, as stated by everyone, but more importantly you know what you get from Burrell. You know it’s 31 hr/95 rbi/.253/ walks out the ass and fielding replacement in the 7th inning. Holliday’s numbers away from Coors Field aren’t as big to me as much as what we would be giving up. I’d rather not trade Victorino or Werth, as both of those players have room to improve and become better. (if I could make a plea for Jason to take the next month off, and then live in the batting cage having the machine throw him breaking pitches low and inside until spring training starts) Marson seems to be the future catcher for this team, Carrasco and Donald are interesting b/c you have the Phils PR people pumping up Carrasco like he’s a “can’t miss” guy and Donald had a nice Olympics, but is stuck behind the current infield. Trying to make him into a 3B player, he’s got some work to do and I don’t know if he can.

I know that Pat wants a fourth year. I hope that the “home town discount” is something that is in his wheelhouse, b/c I think that we could get him for 3/36.

One more thing to throw out, I brought this up today at work. Jamie wants a third year, and the Phils (which I agree) would only want two. what about a mutual option for a third year if Moyer pitches 375+ innings over the next two years. If he does, then he gets the power to call the third year, if not, then the Phils do. I don’t think he’ll want more than the 6M/year he’s getting now.

By: mikemike

mikemike — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:04:43 +0000

Because he was overpaid at 14 million dollars a year. He has to realize that.

By: Matt Kwasiborski

Matt Kwasiborski — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:51:33 +0000

If Burrell were willing to take a significant pay cut, then sign him. But how do you tell a guy who hits 30+ HR and 85+ RBIs and won a WS to take a pay cut?

By: timb

timb — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:25:19 +0000

Time for Burrell to move on. I love that man. And his dog. But he should go.

By: Amanda

Amanda — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:02:58 +0000

I say we do it. If we can work out a deal without giving up Marson and Victorino, do it. I’d give up Werth, Happ, or Kendrick for Holliday. I dont want to give up Carrasco, but for Holliday, I could live with it.

By: Georgie

Georgie — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:51:52 +0000

Hey Richie, why don’t you ask Brad Lidge if HE cares who calls his game? The pitching staff performed above and beyond all of our expectations, why would you even think of messing with their favorite catcher?

Jesus, just sign Burrell, he wants to be here, and go after another starting pitcher. Let’s face it, Hamels is the only one we can be certain of, so that needs to be addressed.

By: Griffin

Griffin — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:49:24 +0000

Richie, I hear your point and don’t disagree with selling high on players. But, I think that teams would rather trade for a young Marson who would be under team control for years rather than a 30 year-old Ruiz.
Holliday is very good and I’m hoping we can get him for a package of Donald/Taylor and something else.

By: Richie

Richie — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:46:50 +0000

Again guys, I like Ruiz, but everyone wants to talk trades and assume that no one outside of Eaton and Golson are touchable. I understand we all are excited about the World Series, I;m drinking the Kool-Aid too, but we have a need in LF, and out of all of the guys on our team who are somewhat touchable, Ruiz is a sell high guy right now. I mean you are asking for Matt Holliday, they come back and say Vic, of course we say no way, then they say Werth, I hesitate, and come back with Happ, they say Carrasco, personally, I don’t think we get Holliday, but we can get a solid LF for Ruiz right now and he is the only touchable piece with value outside of maybe Dobbs. YOU HAVE to give something to get something. I agree with you snowden about the trust and the relationship stuff that our staff has established with Ruiz, but you have to take chances sometimes and he seems like a piece we might be able to expend that’s all.

By: Matt Kwasiborski

Matt Kwasiborski — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:29:50 +0000

No way would I turn over a WS rotation to a rookie catcher unless it was a Joe Mauer type prospect. Marson is a prospect alright and he did hit a HR in his first start in MLB but he isn’t Johnny Bench Jr. He needs at least a half or 3/4 season at AAA before you turn over a major league staff to him.

Ruiz also struggled at the plate this year but came up big with the bat in the playoffs. The stage doesn’t get any brighter. I say Ruiz will come back offensively with all the confidence he has now after being arguably the playoff MVP for the world champions.

By: Johnny Snowden

Johnny Snowden — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:27:39 +0000

only time will tell richie … i just cant wait for these four months of hell to be over with and the sun to come back out.

By: Richie

Richie — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:23:42 +0000

All eyes are on the postseaon everyone saw Ruiz shining, there are teams out there I am sure that want him. My point is that if we know his real potential and have a stud waiting behind him, why not take a shot and get a decent player in return before he goes back to hitting .200.

By: Johnny Snowden

Johnny Snowden — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:22:55 +0000

all im sayin ritchie is that Hamels’ era goes up by almost two runs without ruiz, moyers walk ratio almost doubles and coste just proved how good ruiz is at catching lidge’s slider. I’m not saying you absolutely wrong … iim not saying not ever, im just saying not now. isnt it good pitching that beats good hitting? and all the numbers say out pitchers are better with ruiz.

By: RichieAllen

RichieAllen — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:21:39 +0000

I didnt think so at first….but I now agree with The Voice of Reason…..our best bet is to sign Burrell,keep the team intact with its chemistry..Please dont screw around with even thinking about trading Vic or Werth.
I dont even want to trade Happ,he looked so good this year,I’m dying to see what he can do.
If it aint broke ,dont fix it

By: Richie

Richie — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:20:52 +0000

I heard someone come up with an idea of swapping cancers with the Dodgers and taking Andruw Jones here and giving them Eaton. With LA eating the differnce in salaries, I wouldn’t be opposed to that.

By: Griffin

Griffin — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:20:29 +0000

Ruiz’s best asset right now is “possesses a high comfort level with the Phillies pitchers”. How does this help the Rockies? Ruiz is more valuable to the Phils than he is to another team. Colorado doesn’t want him, but the Phillies pitchers do.

By: Richie

Richie — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:16:46 +0000

Wait a second, Hamels isn’t Hamels without Ruiz, Moyer who has been pitching for 30 years can’t pitch without Ruiz, are you kidding me???? I like Ruiz, I was screaming Choooch at every playoff game, but you have to give something up to get something. People are high on Ruiz right now, but we know the real Ruiz. We don’t know the real Marson yet. He has caught Carrasco and Happ, he has a good mentor in Coste, he is a better defensive catcher. What if he turns out to be a Mauer or McCann? Ruiz is not responsible for 2.00 in ERA for our staff, I am a Ruiz fan, but sell high on these guys, you can tell Marson’s a ballplayer. Take a shot, I’ll call the game wih Hamels, and tell me how you pitch around Utley, Holliday then Howard with Rollins and Vic on base. That isn’t an easy task now is it?

By: Johnny Snowden

Johnny Snowden — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:16:45 +0000

And does anyone have a clue what they’re gonna do with Eaton? Pay him his 6 or 8 mil to be the opening day starter for the Allentown Iron Pigs?

By: Johnny Snowden

Johnny Snowden — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:12:25 +0000

i couldnt agree more griffen