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Pretty shocked he didn’t receive any votes at all. I guess they put a lot of emphasis on the W-L record, because Hamels was better than Webb in most categories.

well, betcha, no matter what Cole does next year because of the playoffs and world series he’ll get a vote or 2.

If you guys are going to hate on W-L stats ( I do too) then you have to say that Santana deserved it, even over Hamels. Santana leads hamels, and most most pitchers in alot of categories. He still won a lot of games despite having a lot of them blown by his bullpen.

In Lincecum’s defense though, he still lead the league in ERA+, perhaps the most valued statistic for a pitchers worth

Certainly Jim. I have nothing against giving it to either Santana or Lincecum. It would be a close call but I think I would give the slight edge to Santana because he played in a much tougher division and was so key down the stretch for the Mets. After that I would go with Lidge and Hamels. Then Webb somewhere out of the top 4. Other than the 22 wins, I really don’t see anything overly impressive from Webb’s campaign compared to the other pitchers in the conversation.

Oops, just checked the standings again, should look, then speak.
Toronto finished 86-76, and Cleveland finished 81-81 right at .500. Still pretty interesting that none of them are playoff contenders.

That’s right WORLD PH*CKING CHAMPIONS!

I will say this. It is nice to sit back for once and be sort of indifferent about who wins because we’ve got the best hardware baseball can give out.

Santana getting any votes is an absolute joke. if he played for the texas rangers and had the same exact season nobody would have even noticed him.

Agreed Mike, Santana was dominant all year long, especially in the 2nd half. He probably could have won 24 games if his bullpen didn’t blow it. Even without the “what-if” lines, his numbers are extraordinary.

Robbi P- Klapsich is on crack, there are a number of things that he clearly has no idea waht hes talking about in that article. Not just the Kendrick comment, but also he talks about the possibility of Manny Ramirez in left, which we all know won’t happen

Hamels should of finished 3rd. No way Webb should have been that high in votes. Lincecum won, so thats all the matters cause he deserved it.

Hamels had an outside shot, he was right near the top in the majority of catagories and his WHIP was insanely low, a handful more runs behind him in some of those no decisions and tough losses and it would have been between him and Lincecum.

I’m happy that tuck has some kind of edumacation and can properly structure sentences “(Insert Team Here) sucks”.Wow how original and yet neanderthal.OK now that said,I am shocked that even Webb was in the mix Santana pitched with a lot of grit and could have won 20 games if not for that poison pen we had at Shea.Lincecum with a horrid team and gets the Cya Young is a complete shock,and the “experts” that garner votes should have given more votes for Lidge,however I guess they looked at K-Rod as the gold standard.

As for Cole Hamels…..yes he earned his reputation in the playoffs,and yet is it me or were most of you guys hanging Hamels out to dry as late as early september after he faltered vs the Mets on that sunday night game saying Hamels wasn’t ready for prime time,and all of a sudden you feel he deserved the Cy Young?Hamels now in my book after the regular season is a formidable pitcher and should have a great 2009 and will win Cy within 3 years but wright now its not his time.

I think Webb shouldn’t of even been in contention, i easily see the top three as Santana/Linsecum (either or is fine for first) and Lidge.

Amanda….Hamels should have been 3rd or 4th? Now you are splitting hairs,20 years from now nobody is going to care who came in 2nd for the Cy Young award……Perfect example,what do Thomas Dewey (48),Adlai Stevenson(52/56),Alf Landon(36),Al Smith(28) and John Davis (24) have in common?You probably don’t know nor care but they are a handful of people who ran for president and lost at election time.Nobody remembers or cares who was the runner up let alone 3rd or 4th place.Not trying to be mean,but Brad Lidge deserved more votes than Hamels based on the regular season anyway,closer or not,he did the job above and beyond.

Great articles & Nice a site….