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I think the Phillies need another right handed power bat to replace Burrell or bring Burrell back. They need a top of the rotation starter. That’s all they really need. I guess they could use another outfield bench guy. Roster next year should be this.

Infield
Howard
Utley
Feliz
Rollins

Outfield
Victorino
Burrell/or replacement
Werth

Catcher
Ruiz
Marson

Rotation
Hamels
Other starter
Myers
Moyer
Blanton

Bullpen
Durbin
Romero
Eyre
Lidge
Madson
Condrey
Seanez or someone else

Bench
Dobbs
Jenkins
Stairs
Bruntlett
Coste(maybe)
Golson(maybe to replace Taguchi)

Then you’ll have people waiting in the wings
Donald
Carrasco
Happ
etc.

We all dogged gillick for not making the big trade but obviously we didn’t need it. Can’t wait for next season I really don’t know what do with myself at night. Sixers, flyers and eagles don’t make up for the phillies. Ruben has a lot on his plate cant wait to see how he handles it. I wouldn’t want to be in his spot but well see how he does. Burrell’s most lkeley out of the question. He’s not going to come back for 2 years this is going to most likeley be his last big contract. Time 2 sit and wait

Unrelated, but found this interesting.

TMZ has video of Hamels being escorted out of Letterman for protection. He was getting booed by Mets fans there and harrassed by this incredibly bizarre cameraman asking rather disturbing questions such as where the Phillie Phanatic changes.

http://www.tmz.com/2008/10/31/world-series-mvp-tossed-in-cop-van

And once again, Philly is supposed to be a hostile place?

I think we need to keep Burrell. No other out fielder puts up his kind of numbers consistently. You can make a case for Manny but he’s too expensive. And i think this year showed us that you don’t need all that superstar Drama to win. Offer Burrell 3 years $34 Million

Burrell deserves 3 years. Give him an offer of 3 years $30 million. If he declines bum it to $36. If he declines that give him $39. He’ll eventually bite. You can also see if he’ll do 3 years $30 million with an option for a 4th year.

I like the option for the fourth year. And i think an incentive based contract wuldn’t be bad. it would give him reason to work hard (look what he did this year being in a contract year) and would save the Phillies some money if he didn’t.

Holliday is a stretch because you’ll have to give up the farm to get him and there’s very little chance that he’ll sign here when up for FA and will split for NY, Boston, LA money.

I’m torn with Burrell. He’s easily my favorite player on the team but a lot of that is nostalgia and his personality than being impressed with his play. It wasn’t even a year ago that we were all upset about his no-trade and wanted him shipped off. He had a great start to the year but struggled quite a bit the second half. I think the second half is a better representation of the true Pat.

I’m not sure how I feel about Manny. Would love his production but I think adding him to the mix on a very young team that just won a WS could be dangerous. This team wouldn’t appreciate a high-priced outsider coming in and telling them how to go about their business when they just won a Championship. I’m not even sure if we could afford him.

Agreed Phil i said offer Burrell a 3 year $30 Million with 4th year option,i know Pat has his ups and down,but their isn’t really anyone to replace his production…Manny Ramirez is asking for too much,We could look into Matt Holliday,but that would mean unloading the farm system and our farm system is already weak,we need to focus on building it up…Theirs also Milton Bradley but he’s always under controversey.

1. Get a No.2 or No. 3 pitcher like Derek Lowe.
2. Resign Pat or bring in a good replacement.

That’s all they need to do.

I have CC listed #2. Hollywood refers to Hamels and he is our ace. They should make a play to see what it would take or gauge his interest. It was proven that baseball is won by pitching and we out-pitched everyone to win it. But landing CC would make us the favorites for 2009.

I mean why not pursue him? He will last longer than Burrell. And I have always been a Burrell backer on this site. He never complained, worked hard and did his job and handled the millions of jeers. But it is time to move on for him and us if it means we can land CC. If we can’t, then Amaro gets to pursue other options including bringing Pat back.

Sheets? He is another Garcia.

Landing Johan the Mets the favorite matt. How’d that work out for them? Been Sheets would be a quaity #2 guy

Exactly right Bonezy..thats why I think we would be boneheads if we cave in to more than 2 years…even 22 mil is great for Burrell,
A year ago nobody would have given 3 cents for this guy..Everyone wanted him gone…
Everybody’s feeling warm & fuzzy from the Series right now,but lets get real..I like Burrell…but not more than he’s worth..

I think we’d be better fit to resign Moyer, Eyre, and Burrell to be honest. Moyer will likely want a two or three year contract, an average of $4 – 5 million per season, which is a steal for that kind of guy. Eyre should get a two or three year contract as well, and will likely get an average of $3 or $4 himself.

Burrell should be offered a 3 yr / $36-$40 range, perhaps with a 4th year option (either vested on performance or club option). While I’d rather have Matt Holiday in left, we’d gave to give up Marson, Carrasco, and a couple of other prospects along with probably Happ and/or Myers. Point being…we’d be giving up the farm for Holiday. If we can stay content with Burrell for three or four more years, Marson, Carrasco, Donald, Happ, etc. will be valid major league contributors by then, and we’ll likely have some of our low-level outfield prospects major league ready (or close to).

That’s my play if I’m Amaro. Also, I’d forget CC or Ben Sheets – I’d go after Lowe. He’ll be cheaper, and is a sinker-baller who’d thrive in CBP. Myers only has one more year on his contract, so we could go Hamels/Lowe/Myers/Blanton/Moyer this year, and if Myers doesn’t re-sign, we could drop Happ or Carrasco into his spot. Likewise if Moyer decides to hang it up in another year or two.

There is NO CHANCE that the Yankees get outbid for Sabathia. None. If he wants to go back to Cali, he’s going to have to take at least 30 million less than what the Yankees are offering him. So let’s forget the Sabathia talk because the Yankees are going to make him the highest paid pitcher of all time.

I would consider a 3 yr deal with him if you throw in some incentives with that. I would give him 3 yr 30 mm with a boat load of incentives, that way you are not guaranteed to give him that extra cash. If he earns them then he should get them. Also if you ever Have to trade him the money isn’t as bad as the last contract.

Jamie if Amaro gives Moyer more than one year he is crazy. He is 46 sorry one year 3.5 or let him walk, eyre gets 2.5 to 3 million. How does he deserve more he did nothing in chicago and got release. Came he and pitch how many innings to deserve a raise and more years. That doesn’t make sense. Pat at this stage of his career is a one tool player power , no speed low average. no defense, Milton Bradley will command less and give you more.