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Report: Phils Showing Interest In Ibanez

Posted by Tim Malcolm, Thu, November 20, 2008 10:15 AM | Comments: 14
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The Ibanez … Raul Ibanez … talk is upon us.

Ken Davidoff in Newsday reported a Phillies interest in Ibanez, the left-handed hitting outfielder. Ibanez, 36, hit .293 with 23 HR and 110 RBI for the Mariners last season.

My initial take is “he’s left-handed.” But I’ll put aside my balance bias, and note that Ibanez hit .307 / .368 / .497 against left-handers in 2008, and is a career .268 hitter against lefties. Thank you to Todd Zolecki for helping me see the light there.

The one thing you’ll find with Ibanez is downright consistency, even moreso than with Pat Burrell. Taking out 2004 because of injuries, Ibanez drove in 89 or more the last six seasons, hitting around .290 every season. He’ll get on base 35 percent of the time. His OPS+ for the past eight seasons has been above 100 (average), with most hovering in the 115-120 range.

In reality, Ibanez isn’t a bad alternative from Burrell. Though he’s going to be 37 in 2009, a three-year deal isn’t out of the question. I would venture he’s an $8M per year player, but that’s before Manny Ramirez sets the market. Overall, not a bad fit.

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  • Posts: 0 Derek

    Also, apparently the Phillies are interested in another left handed hitting outfielder, one we’re familiar with, Jeremy Hermida from the Fish. He’s young and has a ton of potential. I’ve always liked him, but like you said in the article, he’s lefthanded. But we’ll see what happens.

    http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/11/hermida_on_phillies_radar.html

     
  • Posts: 0 Rahim

    I’ve liked Ibanez for the past few years, and Hermida is OK too, but what we are looking for besides someone who can play the outfield is a hitter that can bat No. 5 and protect Ryan Howard. Although at times that was a non-issue, like when either Howard or Burrell couldn’t hit a beach ball, it will be a requirement of that player to pose an offensive threat. You have that more with Ibanez than Hermida at this point in their careers.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Hermida isn’t that much better an option than Jenkins, in my opinion… he’s always had lots of potential, and some random good games against the Phillies.. but I don’t think he is the guy we want

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Rollins
    Victorino
    Utley
    Howard
    Werth
    Ibanez
    Feliz
    Ruiz
    Pitcher

    is a pretty damn good lineup

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck P

    I like Hermida as a young replacement player for one of our other outfielders but not as our everyday left fielder… that is, I would take him if we’re trading one of other outfielders for, lets say, Matt Holliday… by the way, Daniel Murphy injured his leg playing in the final games of the Arizona Fall League. The Mets have not confirmed whether the groin or knee is involved… if he’s injured, that throws a HUGE wrench in the Mets plans.

    I like Ibanez but he’s old and he’s lefthanded. His numbers look great but I’m not sold… when you play for a terrible team, you get a lot of garbage statistics. Ibanez reminds me of Jenkins all over again (we all felt good because it was a name that we all knew)… if you have to downgrade from Burrell, not only are you going to see your leftfield production decrease, you’ll also see Ryan Howard’s production decrease. He’ll see ZERO pitches in meaningful situations when he’s hot. I know that I’m the exception here but I would rather see us trade a toolsy guy like Victorino (since we have a half-dozen of those guys on the farm) for Holliday or a top tier OF and grab a guy off the wire to patrol CF. Victorino’s biggest asset is his defense… he doesn’t hit for power, his average is average… he’s fast and he has heart. I just feel like that is easier to replace than a guy that has the ability to hit a ball out of the park every time he steps to the plate.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    A gold glove Center-Fielder… with more heart than Chase Utley (who many think invented “playing the game hard”)… and Victorino hit .293, which led the team

    You really want to trade him because we have “prospects” in our farm system???

     
  • Posts: 0 CT

    haha, i thought it was hilarious how you used a picture of an Ibanez guitar for this post. my first electric guitar was an Ibanez!

     
  • Posts: 0 Tom G

    I have liked Ibanez for sometime…he has what scouts call a ‘productive’ bat! He is a run producer and can be valuable to keep a team from slumping in the scoring column, something our Phils are too used to doing…
    In order of preference…
    1) Ibanez (but would require signing a righthand bat or bring up Golston)
    2) Edmunds (help overall team D, and protect the pitching staff)(cheap)
    3) Baldeli (helps D, and allows a R/L platoon, keeping bats fresh)
    4) Bradley (best overall, but attitude needs adjusting, not sure it is a net gain)
    5) Burrell (love him, just don’t mind his loss)
    6) Hermida (solid, not spectacular at anything, good arm!)
    7) ROOKIE-time Golston…give a kid a shot!)
    8) TRADE for ATKINS…use him in Left…
    9) Anderson( Garret is not what we need, but it is interesting)

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    I’d disagree chuck (respectfully of course) I think the last thing we can afford to do is part with a guy like Victorino. I can understand the arguement for adding the big bats and squeezing everything out of a limited window to win but I think we’re running the risk of running into what I call Eagles territory. Building a team that can explode at any time can win you those high scoring games but the greater problem for the Phils is grinding it out when the bats are struggling, slumps are clearly very contageous and I think we need to start looking at how we can add more hustle and start to get smaller more consistent production rather than waiting to explode for a crooked inning that won the majority of last years games. We can sign all the power we want and draft all the toolsy guys going but that’s not going to create that extra hustle for when Howard’s not seeing the ball or Rollins is going 0-4. We have enough power on this roster and the star players need to be better next year otherwise it won’t matter who we add, we’re not gonna get that lucky.

    I’m not sure who I’d put my hat on right now to vill that void but I’d like to see us add a couple of really gritty players and breed that mentality into the guys coming up so we have the kind of talented affordable talent pool a team like the Red Sox can go to that mean they can pay big for the cornerstones of their team. Pap, Pedroia, Ellsbury, Lester, Bucholz, Lowrie, Masterson, Delcarmen and even adding two guys who were flipped to make a deal in Moss and Hansen combined didn’t make what Eaton on his own did last year trying to reach on a guy instead of the 1 year stopgap. When you win the World Series and still have a ‘young’ core I really believe you have to put your resources into extending your talent pool instead of trying to expect production out of guys who your reaching on or who’s best days are behind them, stop gaps aren’t pretty but the right ones can be effective.

    Call it the Moyer theory, we need to bring guys in who make the guys around them even better because of their playing attitude so your not relying on them to re-produce a career season when their contracts up. The difference between our toolsy prospects and the kids in the Sox system is they know if they work their going to play, ours don’t because their being groomed to be stars or nothing and that needs to change.

    Does Ibanez fit that profile or do some of us really believe we need to slug all we can out for the next couple of years and then go back to the drawing board?

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck P

    I know my opinion is not shared by many (if any)… Vic is one of my favorite players. In a perfect world, we have Shane, Werth and Holliday in our OF. I guess that I just don’t see how anyone can believe that we’re better off with Vic, Werth and a second tier FA left fielder than we are with Holliday, Werth and a second tier FA center fielder. Holliday’s stats are incomparable… further, if you believe that Howard walks, wouldn’t it be nice to be able to lean on Holliday (if you can sign him for a few years)? And if Holliday walks, you get a #1 supplemental pick next year. Victorino’s probably going to ask for $7 million (as a long-term deal)… I’m not saying that he’s not worth that kind of money but it’s a risky move considering that he’s had only two decent seasons and we’re still making decisions based on WS emotion. I agree with NJ… we have to trust our young talent and give them the shots that they deserve as role players (don’t wait for them to become superstars). I guess that’s why I’m questioning what to do with Victorino long-term. I dont think you can afford to lock up everyone long-term… with every player we sign long-term, it becomes less likely that we’ll have the money to keep Ryan Howard around.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Before Victorino’s “two decent seasons”….he was the MVP of the International League in AAA… and was called “the best defensive CF I’ve ever seen” by some in the organization..

    Holiday will be going to Free Agency next year, and would be a fool not to do that. A supplemental-draft pick in return for him is NOTHING… because as I’ve said before, MOST 1st round draft picks (sandwhich picks too) never make it to the Major Leagues… So you lose Holiday for a guy that has a good chance of playing for the Clearwater Threshers, or the Reading Phillies before his career ends.

    I understand why you would want Holiday in your lineup, who wouldn’t?! ….But its not a realistic thing, and definitely not at the cost of Victorino

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew R.

    Victorino really became the heart and soul of the team. When he hits a lead-off double in the 9th with the Phillies down a run, he jumps up, claps his hands and points into the dugout yelling “lets go.” That gets everybody pumped. Victorino brings so many intangables to the game, let alone his pretty good numbers which will continue to rise.

    Please stop with the Holliday. Do you know how bad Oakland would rape us for him? Look what we gave up for Blanton, although that trade is justified now we won the series, but before that, adrian cardenas was the best hitting infielder in our system and nobody talked about jason donald. it almost seems donald has become “untouchable” by default. Holliday is not the answer. His numbers outside of Coors are miserable, he will more than likely walk and seek a mega-deal which we wont be able to afford.

    Ibanez and Jenkins are not even close to comparison. And why would he have great numbers on a crap team? Did teams really fear Richie Sexson and Adrian Beltre as his protection? I doubt it. I think Ibanez, for the right price would fit in nicely batting 6th behind Werth. Yes, perhaps he is getting old, but he provides a defensive upgrade over Burrell, maybe a little less power, but I’ll take a guy who hits the ball at a .280-.300 clip over the all-or-nothing guys. IF we signed Ibanez at $8-10M per, use the extra money for Baldelli as a 4th OF. Instead of $13M going to the one-dimensional Burrell, we could get 2 great OFs. Our bench would be stronger, and our OF defense would be insane.

    But lets stop this talk of trading Victorino and worrying about Howard’s future. Let Howard’s future just play out. Right now he’s a DH playing first base on our team. He doesn’t deserve a big contract.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    If you look at the last 3 first rounds there are too many success stories to ignore. That’s the real reason I’d let Burrell walk, I firmly believe we have enough power on this team to find viable stop-gaps and invest in a second wave of legitimate prospects. We’re scared to pave the way for prospects because every high profile failure and the toolsy guys are too high risk and aren’t going to be gritty enough to get by when their not having career days.

    Compensation picks include: Conor Jackson, Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Glen Perkins, Huston Street, Phil Hughes, Clay Buchholz, Blake DeWitt, Jacoby Ellsbury, Joba Chamberlain, Colby Rasmus, and Ian Kennedy.

    When I look at Ibanez I think late Shawn Green and when I look at Bradley I think lock up Vic and put the rest of that money into a can’t miss prospect. We have to stop being scared of the draft instead reaching in FA instead of installing a draft budget friendly draft, we may miss on a couple of these guys but teams with a commitment to the draft are getting at least some of their 1st picks up to the majors.

    Right now we don’t have a chance of getting most of our prospects up because were not taking guys to fill soon to be needs and their being blocked by moves made in FA and in trades, since Cole came up (because of injuries) we’ve only seen Maitheson, Kendrick and Zagurski for any length of time all were largely off the radar guys brought up because of injuries. Not good enough to sustain a perenial contendor when you look at the guys teams like the Red Sox, Yanks, Angels, Brewers, Dodgers, Diamondbacks have got on the major league roster or cusp of it.

    5 drafts since Cole and nothing, you don’t wait around on whether Drabek or Savery will make it you put your money into making sure it doesn’t matter if they don’t because your not going to win when you struggle to even dribble through prospects.

     
  • Posts: 0 Durbinator

    I don’t want Ibanez or Hermedia.

     
 
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