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I’d love to see them take Golson, I’m not a fan of anything but his speed. What kind of package do we think they’d be looking for?

They surely can’t be expecting more than Abreu territory, cats out of the bag they’d like to see him gone.

We should definitely be peddling greg golson on them…the bottom line is golson cant hit. and thats the last thing we need back there. because he cant hit, he does NOT project to be an everyday player in MLB. or at laest not a very good one.

I think the Phillies have a plan and that won’t be affected by what the Mets do. The Mets got Santana last year, the Phillies didn’t panic and sign any superstars and they went on to win the World Series.

As for Golson, I was never a huge fan because of his strikezone recognition (or lack thereof). I’m not sure how much value he has, but I’d love to package him in a deal, any deal.

Griffin. good point. The yanks have about 60mil in cash to spend this offseason.

I live in ny and i heard on local tv that the yanks freed up 80 mil from last years payroll. 20 will go to current players and they could spend in excess of 60 on free agents. Even talk of landing manny

Actually, Id feel TOTALLY comfortable offering Golson & Kendrick

I heard that Sabathia doesnt want to play in NY. I cant remember where I heard that, but thats why he’s seriously considering the Brewers offer.

Golson and Kendrick for Dye would be a quick yes from me. I think its a fair deal.

Ther Yankees will sign CC Sabathia AND either Derek Lowe or AJ Burnett AND THEN theyll think about texeira and manny. theyre not screwing around. the phillies have NO change of getting sabathia and pretty much NO chance to get Lowe & Burnett either. Itd be great to sign Lowe to round out the rotation, but i seriously doubt theyll be even close. forget about it.

current priority list:

1) resign moyer to one year contract with options to keep him happy

2) trade for either jermaine dye or garret atkins to replace burrell

3) sign a free agent starting pitcher or a free agent late inning relief pitcher

4) trade prospects for whichever of the two above options you did not sign.

5) filler guys we dont even care about yet

theyre going to offer him a record breaking deal, and nobody turns down that kind of money so forget about it…sabathia im referring to

NJ… 36 million for 2 years of Ben Sheets????

I can not believe that, sounds way to high for such an injury prone guy.

I heard the Sabbabthia offer is 6/150 million. that is hard to walk away from

Dye probably has a NO trade clause and would require his option to be picked up. That’s numero uno.

Second, WIlliams has proved he isn’t so foolish trading with us, does anyone think Golson and Garcia would be enough for Dye? I think it’s a nice start but we are going to need to add to it. I mean this isn’t a must salary dump, unlike the Abreu deal. Williams could just as easily dump Vazquez instead.

I would see if he would take Donald, Bastardo, Slayden for Dye. Slayden will never get a oppurtunity to play here. In the AL he might. Donald can give them speed and an option at 2B if they move Alexi to SS. Bastardo is an intriuging arm who I am not high on him, it may take Garica but I would avoid trading him and maybe throwing in Naylor or Savery.

I would gladly throw them Taylor/Bastardo/Golson (the 3 most overrated prospects I think we have) but I think they would want someone more of an impact this year. Oh well. I would definately trade Donald for Dye. but wouldn’t be upset if we kept him either.

By the way, I think Savery is the most frustrating prospect we have. My god can we just know if he’ll pan out for us. Just when you think he’s gonna wash out of the minors he puts together a nice end of the season. but still has those 6-7 runs outings that come out fo NO-WHERE.

The Phils would go to 45/3 but it’s not going to happen unless Boras has the kind of trouble he did with Lohse, the chances of that happening are so remote and maybe Boras doesn’t get the $18p/y target but he’s not going to fall to where the Phils could be in play… It’s not bad ownership, we just can’t compete with the Yankees/Mets/Cubs/Sox when they have someone on their radar and they’ve been shackled to far worse deals than we have.

It’s been well documented the Phils have been grooming Amaro under Gillick’s direction so you have to think what would Gillick have done, we’re going to get creative when it comes to addressing adding pitching and Gillicks record shows he’s the kind of guy who’s going to try to trade to fill the high-profile need than reach again and that’s what I’m expecting Amaro to do. Rivera/Baldelli don’t fit the profile enough to think the Phils FO aren’t working on something bigger.

As for a high profile starter… We can dream for a headline signing but it’s not the right move. I’m starting to really like the names Carrasco, Drabek, Savery, Stutes, Naylor because that’s where our future is.

Are we good enough to compete now? Lets be real were good enough if the guys already here play up to potential, buying our way back to the series is only going to end up with a vomit-worthy payroll (where you won’t be able to afford to go to games) and the metioning of a Phillies prospect being the punchline in a joke like the Mariners scouting the Mets AFL players.

Tim says~ “The Phils don’t have any fast chips in the AFL, but they have infielder Jason Donald. Another name that came to my head, not in the AFL: Greg Golson.”

What does AFL stands for? ;-)

Arizona Fall League

NJ… great points. Dye is likely going to cost more than Burrell but he’s a better fielder and at least we get a decent pick if Burrell finds himself on another team… the MLB is becoming more and more like the NFL (draft picks are becoming more and more valuable). Teams like the Rays and Marlins have proved that you can win with young players and it costs a lot less. I think that Golson is going to alright… but I think that speed is replaceable. We shouldn’t be enamored with guys that can run.

Memphis- But who is more likely of Dye and Burrell to reach there career avgs?
And who is the more streaky of the two?

Dye would be a good fit.

The issue is will we re-sign Burrell and that looks like a no, Dye is traditionally a little erratic out of the gate but he’s known for piling it on like no other when he’s hot and finishes strong. I expect the FO is as uncomfertable as we are about the prospect of 3 outfielders for one one spot and after the Garcia and Lidge trades we know the Gillick/Amaro way for filling the major hole is to make an out of leftfield trade. The Jenkins/Feliz/Eaton deals were to fill secondary holes.

After Eaton and Garcia the Phils FO is going to be hesitant to reach on pitchers either by expecting more from a lower tier pitcher or over-paying massively for a ‘high-profile’ pitcher. We don’t have the payroll flexibility to go after a guy like Lowe and address our internal needs and not end up being handcuffed to the back-end of bad deals. We’ve critisized the lack of high-end activity by the front office but what would be saying if we’d gone to those extra years with guys like Soriano?

Does anyone really think the Phils wouldn’t go after a guy like Lowe if it was a practical idea?

Dye wouldn’t cost too much for a guy of his calibre, Dye and Vazquez would take the farm and at least one guy off the major league roster.

Vasquez is obviously not Ozzie’s favorite player, so maybe Chicago sells low on him too. Who knows, just thinking out loud, but I would not be surprised if Vasquez is moved.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-05-gm-meetings-soxnov05,0,7236960.story

There’s been rumors Vaquez is on the block but it won’t be the easiest deal to make.

The Yankees also get a minor league closer, either GM is about to be named a Yankee employee or we’re about to hear the Yankees have sent some serious prospects to Chicago.

NJ- yeah I am pretty baffled, not that we would want Swisher but that Kenny Williams just let Swisher go like that. Makes little sense.

NJ- What di Williams give up for Swisher? Was it Sweeny, De Los Santos, and Gio for Swisher???

If I am right than this makes this trade to the Yanks REALLY bad, not saying I would want Swisher but my god, they just traded De Los Santos AND Gio for Betemit, Nunez, and Marquez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eb I know, I was just wondering what the White Sox traded for Swisher, becuase that makes this trade even worse

Yep rumor has it it’s Yankees or bye-bye for the Moose

Chris if that deal could be done I think Amaro would cancel Christmas because it’ll have come early.