Comments on: A Heavy Look At Arbitration-Eligible Players

By: Don M

Don M — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:32:47 +0000

Good call with Prince, Jacobs is 28 years old and before this year, his best season was 20 HR and 77 RBI, his OBP% is very low.

Hanley Ramirez is a beast! Uggla avgs 30HR and 90 RBIs his 3 years in the league.. how bout that! He’s also 28 years old though.

Cantu had a real nice season, and he’s only 26.. lets see him stay healthy.

In his 2 full seasons, Kouzmanoff is closer to 20 HR, 80RBIs, which is still awesome, but he’s 27, older than Adrain GOnzalez on the Padres, who is very underrated.

Every year that Zimmerman is heathy, he’ll be at 20+ HR, and 90+ RBI

Mark Reynolds is there, but hit .239, and struck out MORE than Howard..Young avgs about 27 HR, 75 RBI, but he’s only 25 years old, so he’ll get better for a few years still

McClouth had a great year, but he’s 27 and that was his first good year.

Votto will be 25 this season, and should easily jump from 24 to 30+ HRs

I think Loney is awesome, but I don’t know he’ll ever hit 30 HRs, but he’s a .300 hitter so they dont need him to kill HRs too.

LaRoche avgs about 25 HRs, 85 RBIs, but he’s almost 30 yeras old…

you got a bunch on that list though, made me think a lot..but I guess we both see how 30HR and 85RBIs isn’t a common thing at all, but sometimes, like with Loney, you’d rather just have a better hitter..???

By: Geoff

Geoff — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:14:14 +0000

still, the phillies should probably counter this with a starter better than moyer and LF with rbi produciton…too bad ibanez is 35 and left-handed.

look…Burnett Vazquez Hudson Jurrgens Campillo..thats a damn solid rotation actually…not bad…their pen still sucks though

By: vendor71

vendor71 — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:13:58 +0000

Where do you see this news on Dunn? I just did a quick scan and I can’t find anything.

By: Geoff

Geoff — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:36:58 +0000

Where is the Dunn info coming from? im not seein it…theyll sign burnett soon…burnett vazquez and dunn make them contenders for the division, yes, but they were terrible last year…they are NOT the favorites. the phillies still are….

they need to play LF and SP. i think they need to spend a but more to get a better SP than moyer, but moyers fine if you spend the rest of the money on LF and bullpen…i like that amaro openly admits that pitching is mostly what he cares about. thats correct, because the other gms didnt always admit that as openly in the past.

i read theyre not scared off of juan cruz..interesting…but i think theyre just floating that to leverage madson, even though boras has all the leverage there…

By: mike

mike — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:29:33 +0000

I am just in shock. How can the braves sign dunn and burnett. were are they getting the money.

By: The Dipsy

The Dipsy — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:13:09 +0000

I thought the question from Don was how many guys at 25 hit around 30 homers with around 85 rbis. I thought I answered it. Did they sign Adam Dunn, too? Uggh.

By: mike

mike — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:44:49 +0000

Does anybody know how to find team salary. I just saw the braves, who don’t have a big market. are going after both burnett and dunn. how can they add that much salary. There fan base isn’t strong. you are talking about in the three players about 48 million dollars. where is the money coming from. I am figuring burnett 16 dunn 16 and valquez 16.

By: mike

mike — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:28:34 +0000

Dipsy that wasn’t the question how many guys hit 33 hr. 85 rbi and walk like burrell. and make under 12 million . Ryan Braun had 42 walks and lower obs. ramirez is a not under 12, with high obs. and remember pat has done it for years not like one year wonder like cantu, schumaker

By: The Dipsy

The Dipsy — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:24:19 +0000

My point being this:

Projected stats for 2009

Burrell 30 85 .260

Jenkins 20 58 .260
Dobbs 12 44 .280

So whats the big deal? Oh, we save $10m with the platoon? Nevermind.

By: The Dipsy

The Dipsy — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:18:56 +0000

Well Don, staying in the NL, off the top of my head: Those guys from the Marlins…4 of them, Jacobs, Cantu, Uggla, Ramirez. Fielder, Zimmerman, Gonzalez and Kevin Kouzmanoff, Chris Young, Mark reynolds, James Loney will get there this year, LaRouche, McClouth, Braun, Wright and that guy Votto.

Only 17. In the NL. And I left a lot of late 20′s guys out.

By: maxhole

maxhole — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:06:03 +0000

i thought i asked the same question, internets is fishy tonight

By: Don M

Don M — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:33:35 +0000

Which 25 year old players that you know of are hitting 30 HRs a year with 85 RBIs?

I can think of Ryan Braun, and David Wright… both MVP candidates

By: The Dipsy

The Dipsy — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:57:31 +0000

Query: If we get a sandwich pick for losing a type A free agent would we call that a “Ruben Sandwich” pick?

By: The Dipsy

The Dipsy — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:55:38 +0000

Hey Don, if Pat The Bat wants to stay here for three years, I will give him 7m a year. Thats it. If he was 26 and in arbitration with the last three years he’s had he’d get 4.5m. In MLB you get more money for less production solely due to the fact that you’ve been in the league a while. Why pay a 35 year old guy 10m a year for 30/85/.250 when you can pay a 25 year old guy 4-5m for the same year?

By: maxhole

maxhole — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:47:23 +0000

NJ, you can make that argument for any pitcher not wanting to play at CBP. randy wolfe wouldnt come back b/c of it, and wolfe stunk at PETCO. in the two games peavy faced phils 06-07, he had better era at CBP, phils pounded him at petco. money talks, so does winning a WS. peavy hasnt stated he wouldnt play here. his record last year exhibits nothing because padres gave him no run support. all options should be considered, especially when another team in your division (mets) are interested.

By: Griffin

Griffin — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:44:02 +0000

I agree Don M, we’ll see what happens. Hopefully Ruben is up to the task. Thanks for the interesting posts, it made the day go by quickly.

By: Don M

Don M — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:38:42 +0000

Jair Jurgens or whatever his name is ..he’s nasty too, they could have a hell of a pitching staff next season, those Bravos

Griffin, I understand what you’re saying, its just that after realizing their thought process behind it, and if Burrell wants to stay here that bad (bad enough that he would accept arbitration) then he probably also wants to stay here bad enough for a $24/2year or $36/ 3 year deal

Lets see what happens..

By: mike

mike — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:20:22 +0000

Braves rumorer to be near 5 year deal for burnett. Doesn’t make sense.Why would they spend that kind of money on him plus the money they have to pay javier valuez, when there best prospect is a pitcher who they wouldn;t trade for peavy, He was dominant in the afl. Scout say he is ready now. They still have to address the bullpen, can’t figure this one ,

By: Griffin

Griffin — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:02:00 +0000

ok, this is the last time I’ll say anything about the Burrell arbitration. I just found this from Joe Sheehan at Baseball Prospectus:

“The Phillies punted Pat Burrell and Jamie Moyer, both Type A free agents, in a situation identical to that of the Yankees. They have the money and the absence of the players is not easily rectified. Having both on one-year deals would have been a solid solution, and giving up the shot at draft picks is a waste.. There is simply no reason, even given the externalities present, for teams to be as risk-averse as they were in this process. The risk isn’t great enough, and the reward is considerable.”

By: mike

mike — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:58:45 +0000

Don M by the way there was a debate on espn yesterday, It was about what you had said. if you needed a pitcher who would you take burnett or lowe, they mention age and years on contract Burnett stuff is awesome but injuries and inconsistant over lowe who falter in the playoffs, doesn’t throw as hard is a ground ball pitcher. Lowe is 4.5 years older but they would take lowe over a 5 year deal to burnett .The reason is his history and lowe is more consistant