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> <channel><title>Comments on: Arbitration Fallout: A Slap In The Face</title> <atom:link href="http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/</link> <description>Your source for Phillies news, events, trade rumors, tickets, bars and other fun stuff.</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:33:53 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1</generator> <item><title>By: Georgie</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/comment-page-2/#comment-61539</link> <dc:creator>Georgie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:58:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/#comment-61539</guid> <description>Hey Dips-why are you so sure they&#039;re going to spend that extra 25M? I won&#039;t throw Amaro the whole way under the bus just yet, until I see how this plays out, but if they end up cheaping out and not signing Moyer or Burrell, no LF replacement or starting pitcher, LOOK OUT! As far as I&#039;m concerned , the FO doesn&#039;t get a &quot;pass&quot; for the next several years just because they won a WS. I have a feeling that&#039;s the way they see it, they throw the fans a bone with a championship every 28 years, and suck up the profits in the meantime.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dips-why are you so sure they&#8217;re going to spend that extra 25M? I won&#8217;t throw Amaro the whole way under the bus just yet, until I see how this plays out, but if they end up cheaping out and not signing Moyer or Burrell, no LF replacement or starting pitcher, LOOK OUT! As far as I&#8217;m concerned , the FO doesn&#8217;t get a &#8220;pass&#8221; for the next several years just because they won a WS. I have a feeling that&#8217;s the way they see it, they throw the fans a bone with a championship every 28 years, and suck up the profits in the meantime.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Manny</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/comment-page-2/#comment-61538</link> <dc:creator>Manny</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:56:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/#comment-61538</guid> <description>Yet, Burrell wouldn&#039;t accept arbitration even if they grossly overpay him for one year. He wants YEARS, not a one-year 15 million contract. He wouldn&#039;t have accepted.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet, Burrell wouldn&#8217;t accept arbitration even if they grossly overpay him for one year. He wants YEARS, not a one-year 15 million contract. He wouldn&#8217;t have accepted.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Dipsy</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/comment-page-2/#comment-61528</link> <dc:creator>The Dipsy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:27:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/#comment-61528</guid> <description>In the final analysis, I don&#039;t think anyone can argue that with the 25m we saved by not arbbing these two, we can get more value using that money on other players.  I like chocolate ice cream but I wouldn&#039;t pay $6.00 for a cone.  Word up.The Dipsy
Chairman of the Derek Lowe in Pinstripes Foundation</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the final analysis, I don&#8217;t think anyone can argue that with the 25m we saved by not arbbing these two, we can get more value using that money on other players.  I like chocolate ice cream but I wouldn&#8217;t pay $6.00 for a cone.  Word up.</p><p>The Dipsy<br
/> Chairman of the Derek Lowe in Pinstripes Foundation</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Memphis</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/comment-page-2/#comment-61525</link> <dc:creator>Memphis</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:02:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/#comment-61525</guid> <description>Not offering Burrell was the right thing to do. The risk he&#039;d get a raise over $14M is legit and not at all worth it. Not at all. Unless Burrell was then overwhelmed with a multi-year contract (not likely), he would have been lumbering around LF for another year at a high number. Amaro played that one right.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not offering Burrell was the right thing to do. The risk he&#8217;d get a raise over $14M is legit and not at all worth it. Not at all. Unless Burrell was then overwhelmed with a multi-year contract (not likely), he would have been lumbering around LF for another year at a high number. Amaro played that one right.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike B.</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/comment-page-2/#comment-61522</link> <dc:creator>Mike B.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:37:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/#comment-61522</guid> <description>By the way, I meant John Mayberry.  Don&#039;t know where Andrew came from.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I meant John Mayberry.  Don&#8217;t know where Andrew came from.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike B.</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/comment-page-2/#comment-61521</link> <dc:creator>Mike B.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:30:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/#comment-61521</guid> <description>Yo guys don&#039;t throw Amaro under the bus just yet.  This might&#039;ve been the doing of Monty and the rest of the owners.  I mean, everything they&#039;ve been doing this off-season suggests that the ownership wants to step back in terms of payroll.1) Scott Eyre signs a one-year, $2 million contract.Eyre signed a one-year contract for $2 million less than he made last year?  I don&#039;t know about you guys, but something tells me that he didn&#039;t volunteer for that; he was only one of the keys to our bullpen&#039;s resurgence.  Something tells me that the Phils purposefully tried to lowball their free agents, and in Eyre&#039;s case, they may simply have gotten lucky that the man has a good head on his shoulders and realized that $2 million is a lot of money to throw a baseball for one inning a night, if, of course, that was the reason he signed for less money.  Maybe this was Ruben&#039;s idea, but then again, maybe not - he may&#039;ve learned from Fast Eddie Wade, but Eddie spent in the upper $90 million range during his last years here - the thing is, he just spent it dumbly.  Most likely it is the Phillies brain-freeze trust writing the paychecks who made this decision and told Amaro how much payroll we need to shed.2) Phillies trade minor league OF Greg Golson to Texas for minor league OF Andrew Mayberry.Andrew Mayberry?  That was one of Amaro&#039;s first moves.  They made this move almost two weeks ago, long before the salary arbitration period was over.  The fact that they trade for a guy with slightly more power than Golson indicates that they had no intention of even offering Burrell arbitration.You just had to sense that the Ring Wraiths who comprise our ownership were uncomfortable with the payroll being in the hundred millions for two years running.  And with the economy the way it is, they&#039;ve even less a choice - even the Yankees withheld arbitration for Bobby Abreu.  Look at what Buster Olney wrote on his insider blog: &quot;a month ago, the notion of Abreu as a $16 million player didn&#039;t seem so outrageous. In the current climate, however, executives with other teams believe Abreu might be fortunate to make $8 million. It appears that no other team will offer Abreu anything close to what he would make in arbitration with the Yankees.&quot;  And it&#039;s not like he had a bad season - he&#039;s 34, and according to Olney, Abreu hit &quot;.296 with 20 homers and 100 RBIs, and an on-base percentage of .371.&quot; And he didn&#039;t get arbitration.  And that&#039;s the YANKEES.  If the Yankees don&#039;t offer arbitration, you know that it&#039;s going to be a slow winter.  That&#039;s just the market, folks - and besides, who in baseball doesn&#039;t deserve a pay cut?  I&#039;m sorry, but so many players are egregiously overpaid, it&#039;s ridiculous.I don&#039;t trust Amaro because I&#039;ve always thought of him as Fast Eddie Wade&#039;s boy, but he at least showed he&#039;s not completely dumb in not wanting to sign Garrett Anderson, whose probably more brittle to breakdown than was David Bell&#039;s back.  (Not that Fast Eddie would&#039;ve hesitated to sign him, by the way).  Yeah, I regret the loss of draft picks, but let&#039;s see a) where either Moyer or Burrell end up, b) how they fare if they depart for greener dollar pastures, c) who any replacements will be, and d) how those potential replacements fare.  We already got Eyre to sign for less, let&#039;s hold out hope that our local hero (Jamie) and our one-time wunderkind (Burrell) sign for less.You know what the worst part is, though?  We might have either of them signed, or either of their replacements signed, if need be, were it not for Adam Eaton&#039;s $8 million dollar salary next year.  If he got suspended for steroid usage, would he forfeit his salary?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo guys don&#8217;t throw Amaro under the bus just yet.  This might&#8217;ve been the doing of Monty and the rest of the owners.  I mean, everything they&#8217;ve been doing this off-season suggests that the ownership wants to step back in terms of payroll.</p><p>1) Scott Eyre signs a one-year, $2 million contract.</p><p>Eyre signed a one-year contract for $2 million less than he made last year?  I don&#8217;t know about you guys, but something tells me that he didn&#8217;t volunteer for that; he was only one of the keys to our bullpen&#8217;s resurgence.  Something tells me that the Phils purposefully tried to lowball their free agents, and in Eyre&#8217;s case, they may simply have gotten lucky that the man has a good head on his shoulders and realized that $2 million is a lot of money to throw a baseball for one inning a night, if, of course, that was the reason he signed for less money.  Maybe this was Ruben&#8217;s idea, but then again, maybe not &#8211; he may&#8217;ve learned from Fast Eddie Wade, but Eddie spent in the upper $90 million range during his last years here &#8211; the thing is, he just spent it dumbly.  Most likely it is the Phillies brain-freeze trust writing the paychecks who made this decision and told Amaro how much payroll we need to shed.</p><p>2) Phillies trade minor league OF Greg Golson to Texas for minor league OF Andrew Mayberry.</p><p>Andrew Mayberry?  That was one of Amaro&#8217;s first moves.  They made this move almost two weeks ago, long before the salary arbitration period was over.  The fact that they trade for a guy with slightly more power than Golson indicates that they had no intention of even offering Burrell arbitration.</p><p>You just had to sense that the Ring Wraiths who comprise our ownership were uncomfortable with the payroll being in the hundred millions for two years running.  And with the economy the way it is, they&#8217;ve even less a choice &#8211; even the Yankees withheld arbitration for Bobby Abreu.  Look at what Buster Olney wrote on his insider blog: &#8220;a month ago, the notion of Abreu as a $16 million player didn&#8217;t seem so outrageous. In the current climate, however, executives with other teams believe Abreu might be fortunate to make $8 million. It appears that no other team will offer Abreu anything close to what he would make in arbitration with the Yankees.&#8221;  And it&#8217;s not like he had a bad season &#8211; he&#8217;s 34, and according to Olney, Abreu hit &#8220;.296 with 20 homers and 100 RBIs, and an on-base percentage of .371.&#8221; And he didn&#8217;t get arbitration.  And that&#8217;s the YANKEES.  If the Yankees don&#8217;t offer arbitration, you know that it&#8217;s going to be a slow winter.  That&#8217;s just the market, folks &#8211; and besides, who in baseball doesn&#8217;t deserve a pay cut?  I&#8217;m sorry, but so many players are egregiously overpaid, it&#8217;s ridiculous.</p><p>I don&#8217;t trust Amaro because I&#8217;ve always thought of him as Fast Eddie Wade&#8217;s boy, but he at least showed he&#8217;s not completely dumb in not wanting to sign Garrett Anderson, whose probably more brittle to breakdown than was David Bell&#8217;s back.  (Not that Fast Eddie would&#8217;ve hesitated to sign him, by the way).  Yeah, I regret the loss of draft picks, but let&#8217;s see a) where either Moyer or Burrell end up, b) how they fare if they depart for greener dollar pastures, c) who any replacements will be, and d) how those potential replacements fare.  We already got Eyre to sign for less, let&#8217;s hold out hope that our local hero (Jamie) and our one-time wunderkind (Burrell) sign for less.</p><p>You know what the worst part is, though?  We might have either of them signed, or either of their replacements signed, if need be, were it not for Adam Eaton&#8217;s $8 million dollar salary next year.  If he got suspended for steroid usage, would he forfeit his salary?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Pete</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/comment-page-2/#comment-61517</link> <dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:10:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/#comment-61517</guid> <description>heres the other side of the coin from reclinergm.comhttp://www.reclinergm.com/why-the-phils-didnt-offer-arbitration-to-burrell-or-moyer/had they offered burrell and moyer arbitration, they would have likely both accepted because there is NO market for either. That&#039;s about $16 mill and $8 tacked on to our $100 mill payroll which pushes us to $124 million. At that point, we have no flexability to add anyone else, essentially ending our offseason.by not offering arbitration, it enables them to either sign the players for less money, leaving money left for a reliever or starter, OR explore options at the winter meetings.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heres the other side of the coin from reclinergm.com</p><p><a
href="http://www.reclinergm.com/why-the-phils-didnt-offer-arbitration-to-burrell-or-moyer/" rel="nofollow">http://www.reclinergm.com/why-the-phils-didnt-offer-arbitration-to-burrell-or-moyer/</a></p><p>had they offered burrell and moyer arbitration, they would have likely both accepted because there is NO market for either. That&#8217;s about $16 mill and $8 tacked on to our $100 mill payroll which pushes us to $124 million. At that point, we have no flexability to add anyone else, essentially ending our offseason.</p><p>by not offering arbitration, it enables them to either sign the players for less money, leaving money left for a reliever or starter, OR explore options at the winter meetings.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jason B</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/comment-page-2/#comment-61514</link> <dc:creator>Jason B</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:56:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/#comment-61514</guid> <description>I can&#039;t believe they wouldn&#039;t give Jaime Moyer arbitration. 7mil/yr. Hell, we pay Eaton 8mil/yr, why not give Jaime 8mil? He&#039;s earned it, and next year, the phillies will not be lacking revenue.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe they wouldn&#8217;t give Jaime Moyer arbitration. 7mil/yr. Hell, we pay Eaton 8mil/yr, why not give Jaime 8mil? He&#8217;s earned it, and next year, the phillies will not be lacking revenue.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: T Marty</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/comment-page-2/#comment-61511</link> <dc:creator>T Marty</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:41:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/#comment-61511</guid> <description>As i&#039;m reading this i was thinking to myself, Welcome to the Ruben Years, and then reading your last line... i&#039;m afraid that&#039;s not the last time i will read/think that.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As i&#8217;m reading this i was thinking to myself, Welcome to the Ruben Years, and then reading your last line&#8230; i&#8217;m afraid that&#8217;s not the last time i will read/think that.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mike</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/comment-page-2/#comment-61508</link> <dc:creator>mike</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:02:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/#comment-61508</guid> <description>Nate wake up he isn&#039;t millwood, even if he got another 14 one year deal he is a 33 homerun hitter who walks a lot . but the draft choices are the thing that gets me you would have had 6 picks if moyer doesn&#039;t resign in the first 60 you could reload a weak minor league system.And have replacement for howard and hamel when they leave if you draft well. How much is 44,000 per game times what is the average spent total up to for playoff and series.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate wake up he isn&#8217;t millwood, even if he got another 14 one year deal he is a 33 homerun hitter who walks a lot . but the draft choices are the thing that gets me you would have had 6 picks if moyer doesn&#8217;t resign in the first 60 you could reload a weak minor league system.And have replacement for howard and hamel when they leave if you draft well. How much is 44,000 per game times what is the average spent total up to for playoff and series.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: NateB</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/comment-page-2/#comment-61505</link> <dc:creator>NateB</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:32:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/#comment-61505</guid> <description>I think they didn&#039;t offer arbitration to Burrell because they want the other teams to feel no fear offering him a big deal (because Burrell&#039;s new team won&#039;t lose a draft pick). The Phils just don&#039;t want Burrell back because he&#039;s getting older and already looks like a DH. Everyone loves his bat, but he doesn&#039;t belong in the field unless it&#039;s at first base, but that&#039;s not happening here in Philly.  So it&#039;s wasn&#039;t a bad move if they want Burrell permanently gone.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they didn&#8217;t offer arbitration to Burrell because they want the other teams to feel no fear offering him a big deal (because Burrell&#8217;s new team won&#8217;t lose a draft pick). The Phils just don&#8217;t want Burrell back because he&#8217;s getting older and already looks like a DH. Everyone loves his bat, but he doesn&#8217;t belong in the field unless it&#8217;s at first base, but that&#8217;s not happening here in Philly.  So it&#8217;s wasn&#8217;t a bad move if they want Burrell permanently gone.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Philajen</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/comment-page-2/#comment-61495</link> <dc:creator>Philajen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:49:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/#comment-61495</guid> <description>Nice one Mike... you forgot to mention the raise in ticket prices that will net a couple million for the team.....   My seats went up $3.00 per seat per game.    Amaro is a douche bag!!!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice one Mike&#8230; you forgot to mention the raise in ticket prices that will net a couple million for the team&#8230;..   My seats went up $3.00 per seat per game.    Amaro is a douche bag!!!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Evrybuddy Hits woohoo</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/comment-page-2/#comment-61494</link> <dc:creator>Evrybuddy Hits woohoo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:57:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/#comment-61494</guid> <description>Burrell doesn&#039;t deserve a raise over last year and I am fairly certain that he might not get much more than $15 to $20 million over TWO years so why take the chance that he accepts one year at $15M plus?It is no way a slap in the face. Less teams would have interest in Moyer and Burrell if it costs them a first round pick.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burrell doesn&#8217;t deserve a raise over last year and I am fairly certain that he might not get much more than $15 to $20 million over TWO years so why take the chance that he accepts one year at $15M plus?</p><p>It is no way a slap in the face. Less teams would have interest in Moyer and Burrell if it costs them a first round pick.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mike</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/comment-page-2/#comment-61486</link> <dc:creator>mike</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:02:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/#comment-61486</guid> <description>Pat as much as people talk isn&#039;t worth the money? He still hit 30 homeruns and drove in 85 runs and protected howard. This was and you can argue all you want a cheap way out because of them having to give werth , victorino, Hamel ,Howard. raises. The playoff money and all the other cash is not going out to try and win again. You have the perfect yes man in wade excuse me I mean Amaro. Ruben you forgot to get sugar for Giles coffee go back and get it,They cut out right now. almost thirty million dollars off last year salary with the raise to the player mention they will only go up about 14 million. net to them 36 million plus this years take .Hey let&#039;s pay for another stadium,raise the toll to ten dollars. we can put it in chester next to the empty mls stadium.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat as much as people talk isn&#8217;t worth the money? He still hit 30 homeruns and drove in 85 runs and protected howard. This was and you can argue all you want a cheap way out because of them having to give werth , victorino, Hamel ,Howard. raises. The playoff money and all the other cash is not going out to try and win again. You have the perfect yes man in wade excuse me I mean Amaro. Ruben you forgot to get sugar for Giles coffee go back and get it,They cut out right now. almost thirty million dollars off last year salary with the raise to the player mention they will only go up about 14 million. net to them 36 million plus this years take .Hey let&#8217;s pay for another stadium,raise the toll to ten dollars. we can put it in chester next to the empty mls stadium.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Megary</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/comment-page-2/#comment-61482</link> <dc:creator>Megary</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:30:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/#comment-61482</guid> <description>I didn&#039;t realize Oakland was not allowed to trade.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize Oakland was not allowed to trade.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: maxhole</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/comment-page-2/#comment-61478</link> <dc:creator>maxhole</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:58:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/#comment-61478</guid> <description>matt holliday=oakland</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>matt holliday=oakland</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Megary</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/comment-page-2/#comment-61472</link> <dc:creator>Megary</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:09:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/#comment-61472</guid> <description>Griffin: If that&#039;s the best the Phillies do, then I&#039;ll be the first to cry &quot;Cheapskates&quot;.  Still, without neither knowledge of the future, nor the ability to predict it, I&#039;d rather not commit my foot to mouth just yet.
;)Here&#039;s a goofy thought...
After the trade is made, the new freed-up payroll goes toward the long-term contract offered Matt Holliday.&#039;Tis the season to create unfounded rumors....heh, heh.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griffin: If that&#8217;s the best the Phillies do, then I&#8217;ll be the first to cry &#8220;Cheapskates&#8221;.  Still, without neither knowledge of the future, nor the ability to predict it, I&#8217;d rather not commit my foot to mouth just yet.<br
/> ;)</p><p>Here&#8217;s a goofy thought&#8230;<br
/> After the trade is made, the new freed-up payroll goes toward the long-term contract offered Matt Holliday.</p><p>&#8216;Tis the season to create unfounded rumors&#8230;.heh, heh.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gavin</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/comment-page-2/#comment-61469</link> <dc:creator>Gavin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:42:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/#comment-61469</guid> <description>Why save $ for Howard and Hamels if you are not planning on winning now. Now is the time that they are somewhat affordable. What will happen in 2010? They wont have any payroll left to sign ANYONE if they lock up Hamels and Howard. Now is the time to spend while the getting is good.If not, then go ahead and sign Howard and Hamels to a long term deal like Utley, then you can at least predict what the payroll is from year to year. Plus you get them a little cheaper than waiting until FA. If they dont lock up Howard this off-season, then he&#039;s as good as gone.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why save $ for Howard and Hamels if you are not planning on winning now. Now is the time that they are somewhat affordable. What will happen in 2010? They wont have any payroll left to sign ANYONE if they lock up Hamels and Howard. Now is the time to spend while the getting is good.</p><p>If not, then go ahead and sign Howard and Hamels to a long term deal like Utley, then you can at least predict what the payroll is from year to year. Plus you get them a little cheaper than waiting until FA. If they dont lock up Howard this off-season, then he&#8217;s as good as gone.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Eb</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/comment-page-2/#comment-61466</link> <dc:creator>Eb</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:27:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/#comment-61466</guid> <description>The phillies are not going to malke ANY FA moves that are of any value. So dont get your hopes up.Also I just read to save some extra money and ink the phillies are going to start spelling their name &quot;Fillies&quot; The &quot;Ph&quot; is to $$$$$$</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The phillies are not going to malke ANY FA moves that are of any value. So dont get your hopes up.</p><p>Also I just read to save some extra money and ink the phillies are going to start spelling their name &#8220;Fillies&#8221; The &#8220;Ph&#8221; is to $$$$$$</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Griffin</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/comment-page-2/#comment-61465</link> <dc:creator>Griffin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:25:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/arbitration-fallout-a-slap-in-the-face/#comment-61465</guid> <description>Megary, I understand that there are still good FA&#039;s who are not Type A free agents, and I know that not offering Burrell arbitration is not the end of the world. I just don&#039;t see the front office saving money here and spending it elsewhere. They&#039;re going to sign a Juan Rivera-type OF and a bargain basement starting pitcher and hope for the best. I&#039;m fully confidant that Pat will get a 3-year deal from an American League team and we will have missed out on two extra picks, but oh well.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Megary, I understand that there are still good FA&#8217;s who are not Type A free agents, and I know that not offering Burrell arbitration is not the end of the world. I just don&#8217;t see the front office saving money here and spending it elsewhere. They&#8217;re going to sign a Juan Rivera-type OF and a bargain basement starting pitcher and hope for the best. I&#8217;m fully confidant that Pat will get a 3-year deal from an American League team and we will have missed out on two extra picks, but oh well.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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