Carrasco Superb In Venezuela

Posted by Tim Malcolm, Mon, December 22, 2008 10:05 AM | Comments: 74

Let’s head over to the Venezuelan Winter League, where top prospect Carlos Carrasco is doing great things:

11 GS / 47 IP / 3-0 / 2.11 ERA / 42 H / 45 K / 11 BB

It’s pretty obvious Carrasco is just about ready to make the jump to Philadelphia, but it might be wise to give him eight to 10 starts in Lehigh Valley, so he can stay in his groove before he moves up. Obviously it creates something of a logjam once he steps to the majors, but it’s the kind of logjam the Phillies would love to have.

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  • Posts: 0 Chris L

    The Phils are hoping that between Park, Kendrick and Eaton at least one of them has a hot enough Spring to entice a team who has an innjury bug to trade for them so they can replenish the farm a little. Then Happ or one of the others takes the 5 spot in the rotation for the first third of the season until Carlos is called up after a bit of AAA seasoning.

    The other scenario is a bigger deal that involves Meyers possibly near the trading deadline and Carlos comes up then.

    When it comes to log jams to have on your roster this is a good one to have

  • Posts: 0 MA Phanatic

    You can never have too much pitching. Everyone talks about other teams with the injury bug, but it’s great knowing that if any of our pitchers gets injured, we have a pretty good replacement that can step in and pitch in the big leagues.

  • Posts: 0 Mike T.

    8-10 starts? i don’t feel like waiting that long.

  • Posts: 0 Brian

    I agree on letting him start in AAA, maybe not 8-10 but however it works out he should see the bigs sooner rather than later.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Goodbye Brett Myers….Hamels – Blanton – Moyer – Happ – Carrasco, saves 12mm and maybe we can get a good prospect out of it…i think i would call the angels first…

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    After pitching a full year last season, and now almost 50 Innings in the winter league. Lets see how his arm is doing in Spring Training before we’re ready to put him in the rotation.

    I don’t think Eaton has a chance to make our roster, any other team in the majors can have him for $1 M (and the Phillies would eat $8 M) you have to think somebody needs a starter just to eat innings next year.

  • Posts: 0 Bonezy

    What about keeping myers in the setup role and trading Madsen?

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    because brett myers makes 12mm and ryan madson only makes about 2-3 with arb raises…youre not going to resign myers or madson, but madson is signable as a closer even when they offer him arb and he declines it. madson will net us a first round pick when he leaves. myers is more attractive as trade bait than a free agent frmo the phillies perspective theyd rather just unload the money…which im ok with.

    Id pull him out of the winter league, get him up here and ready for spring training. get him some rest and if he appears fine then clear myers salary off the books. if hes going to get called up the last thing you need is for him to be tired in july…

  • Posts: 0 Justin

    What about the possibility he pitches for his country in the WBC? It hasn’t been talked about but what are the chances his country DOESN’T ask him to pitch for them? The Phillies could ask him not to pitch but it doesn’t mean he won’t do it.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Yeah the WBC and winterball could foul up his call-up date….

  • Posts: 0 Colin_K

    I feel comfortable that they have a “surplus” of pitching right now…with Hamels pitching 250 innings last year and Moyer teetering on the edge of age defiance (I hope he continues to succeed), it’s not bad to have Kendrick, Happ, Carrasco and Park available. Add to that the question of which Myers will start out the season and its good to have depth…just be glad that depth does not include the likes of Job Leiber and Freddy Garcia!

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    It can get your organization into SERIOUS trouble, if you trade Myers for a prospect(s) and try to force Carrasco into the rotation.

    Start him at AAA and see what he does, if HE forces you to bring him up by pitching well, that is a different story.. but the Venezuelan Winter League probably compares to low-A ball in terms of talent.. lets not go crazy yet

  • Posts: 0 Mike T.

    i forgot tim redding is available. the phillies should pick him up for 1MM or whatever he’s going for. he pitches well against us, and i think they should pick him up just to stop the mets from getting him. i know we’ve discussed this before. it’s definitely a smart move – get it done.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    It couldnt hurt for depth purposes…I wonder if hed accept a relief role if he loses a rotation spot….at the same time though, he got cut by the nationals….

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    really? i mean, theyre clearly not going to resign him…theyre going to use that money for hamels werth victorino, which is what they should do, which is why they didnt sign derek lowe. so you free up that money this year maybe you can move earlier on a victorino/werth extension to get them out of the way. to be honest, you could probably get away with carrasco replacing myers if you added another starter, a back-end one on a one year deal, to reenforce the staff in spring training just in case…maybe theyd accept a relief role too, but in addition youd have to go out and add a good bullpen arm. i mean, its doable. dunno that tim redding is the guy for that though…he could be but i wouldnt hold my breath

  • Posts: 0 Tom G

    Time to enter into a discussion with TB RAYS about shipping Brett to Tampa…Brett would rather be a closer…we can pick up a prospect or two, young pitchers…they get their desperately needed closer and we get a re-fill of pitching in the minors…CC gets 5-8 starts in Lehigh, and Happ and CC can battle it out until then…
    Hamels, Blanton, Moyer, Park and Happ…bringing in Carasco when he is brought up and putting Park into the pen…

  • Posts: 0 Chuck P

    I’ve been saying that we need to trade Myers for a couple of weeks… he’s not coming back next season. Carrasco is emerging as the player we hope he can be. When he comes up, you want him to be a solid #2 or #3. He should be an early call-up… no rush. I don’t think that you want to bring him up until he’s ready to be counted on as a #2 or #3. If you bring him up as a #5, he’ll develop bad tendencies (he needs to understand that we have high expectations). Carrasco showed early in his career that he needed to be handled with care… I’m excited that he’s progressing. You can never have enough pitching.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Once I figured that there was no contract extension money for myers its pretty clear he wont come back in 2010. so hes definitely gone, though he may start the season here, he wont finish it as a phillie. once they decide carrasco is ready theyll ship myers off for a decent mix of prospects to restock the farm a bit, and then move carrasco right in the 3 slot. blanton will temporarily function as the 2.

  • Posts: 0 Brian

    Myers had a horrible first half, then a ridiculous second half. Obviously we need the second half Myers to come back, but let’s not jump all over trade possibilites. When he is on, he is one of the best #2 guys out there. I know he loved closing, but I think his resurgence last year sparked a fire, and he might settle in nicely.

    Then again, maybe I am way off, maybe he’s traded this week. You never know.

  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Aren’t the Phillies a win now team? Why on earth would they trade their #2 starter for prospects? Does anyone honestly believe that a rotation of Hamels/Blanton/Moyer/Carrasco/Happ will not miss a start this season? Carrasco and Happ are young pitchers and are likely to go through rough patches.
    Myers had a 3.16 ERA and a 1.20 WHIP in the 2nd half of last season.

  • Posts: 0 Phil

    Myers has one of the filthiest curveballs in all of baseball. Myers is kind of like A.J. Burnett. When he’s on he’s filthy but when he’s not on he’s Adam Eaton. They are both headcases, but Burnett is overhyped. Let Myers start out the year here, and if he’s on fire then you have one of the best 1-2 punches in all of baseball.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Guys… throwing well in VENEZUELA winter ball, does not mean that he is “emerging” into anything.. I could have a solid ERA down there for all we know

    He’s a young guy with lots of upside, but still needs time to develop

    A rotation of Hamels, Blanton, Moyer, Park, and Happ will allow us to start the season deep in the hole..

    Park WILL NOT be a starter for this team… last year people were bitching that Blanton was our #4 starter, now people want to plug him in as the #2.. Lets all slow down.. if Myers has a season like the 2nd half he had last year, I definitely want to bring him back, and you know for a fact that he’ll give a discount to stay here. Because pitching is so much more of a premium than LF, Myers and Burrell can’t be compared, but expect the organization to show more loyalty to Myers if he has a solid year

  • Posts: 0 Phil

    Honestly, assuming Myers has a good season…sub 4 ERA 200+ ip he will be resigned at a discount. He wants to be a Phillie. You can tell that guy loves playing for his team.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    yeah but a discount for myers, given the INSANE prices this year, would be like 4 years 75MM. since theyre going to give that kind of mioney to hamels and theyll resign victorino and werth to extension, Im not sure where theyre going to get the money for myers given their pattern of behavior…

    I do know they probably wont resign him, thats clear, and he makes 12MM this year that theyd love to clear out,…

    thats the problem with myers though, inconsistency…thats ok if youre a number 3 but from the 2 you ened to be consistent…

  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    But if the Phillies trade Myers than Moyer is the #2 and Blanton the #3, so why would they trade Myers?

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Nah, you could resign Myers for $10-12 depending on what the market falls back down to this season… There is a reason that Lowe, Manny, Burrell, Dunn, Abreu, Tex, etc.. all aren’t signed yet. Nobody wants to pay these guys what they are asking.

    Think about how bad the contracts have gotten.. Burrell signed his extension for 6 years $50 M and that was outrageous… Pujols signed a 7 year, $100 Million contract, and that was through the roof.. Now you have players that aren’t anywhere near as good as Pujols signing for $17, 18, 20, 25 Million per season.

    Aren’t you glad we don’t pay Carlos Lee, or Soriano $18 Million (could you imagine the outcasts we’d have to put around them to stay within a payroll budget)

    The pitching market got out of hand with Carlos Silva, Gil Meche, Livan Hernandez… instead of saying that those bad contracts mean that better pitchers need to make more than those scrubs.. baseball needs to get back to paying players what they are worth. Myers, is worth $8-10.. but if the market is still up, he is a $12 M guy… 3 years $35 M

  • Posts: 0 dan

    Buy low, sell high. Myers is probably worth way more than his actual value right now based on the second half of last year. I’d much rather trade him now and get prospects than play the guessing game of “which Brett do we get?” and possibly lose all of his trade value.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Even if Myers is only a “#3″ ….. I’d still rather have him than prospects.. Myers isn’t enough of a stud that he’ll land you anything great in return, so you are better off keeping him yourself. Lets see what kind of year he has though, because if he starts it great, his trade value will be high, but we’ll want to keep him.. if he starts slowly, his value is down, so his return would suck in a trade… we’d be better off keeping him and praying he returned to form

  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Cole Hamels’s value is at a high point after winning the WS MVP. We should trade him for prospects.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    I agree there, I just hope it does settle back down. I think Burrell will go to tampa but after that dunn has drawn nothing, even the mets openly said: ues we like lowe a lot but we wont take on another bad contract. same with oliver perez (bad move declining arb ollie…hes this years kyle lohse, another boras client) it seems liek boras, though getting bolder and more insane year to year, routinely misjudges the market for some of his players..

    he took lohse out of here and tried to get carlos silva money for him, and it backfired…lohse took a one year deal and settled for a hometown discount extension in st louis…hardly the behavior boras promotes to his clients.

    boras also seems to burn bridges hard…the phillies hate him, and wont resign madson because of it…theyve avoided drafting his clients too.

    I think the market will come back down a bit..not sure by now much though…if myers accepts 3/35 then hey, thats fine…he is wierd though, so he might be different and not want to deal with free agency…well see…

    if myers stays then who does carrasco replace if JA Happ works out decently? it would have to be jamie moyer, who signed a two-year contract when they shouldve dug their heels in at one year with an option…

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    If you trade Myers now, your starting rotation for this coming season is junk… you can’t just trade a “#2″ or “#3″ for no reason other than his value is high..

    When he’s ON he can be nearly unhittable, you can’t say that about many pitchers.. also, we already have a bunch of pitching prospects, and while its always good to have lots of pitching, we would want mlb-ready pitchers, and by this time next year, we have like 5 of them

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    the one main thing that prevents a trade of myers is this: the phillies would demand near-mlb ready pitching in return for him…and whos going to trade that type of pitching for a guy with a 12mm contract in his contract year? thats something the yankees would do, but they already got the ptiching they wanted…

  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    The Phillies should be looking to acquire pitching like Myers, not trade him away. How did this even become a topic? I haven’t heard this anywhere except here.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    yea.. then you have a surplus of pitching.. you see where your 3b prospects are, you see what happened to Jason Donald, and where you project him to play.

    You can never have too many prospects, but ideally you want them to be spaced out around the farm… if you have 4 or 5 AA, AAA, MLB-type pitchers that can really all start in the rotation, then you haven’t managed your prospects very well. By that time, you want to know who you will keep, and who you can move to another organization.

    So if we trade Brett Myers, we would want to get players that are close enough to the majors already that you can better predict how they would do in the MLB, but since you have Happ, Kendrick, Carrasco, Drabek, Savery, Carpenter, etc.. all either here, or 2 years away… you need to start moving some of them anyway.

    its freakin complicated..

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    kendrick needs moved, and i think they will move him..

  • Posts: 0 Chuck P

    I would love to see us upgrade our #2 starter… it might end up being a midseason deal… trade Myers and his expiring contract for a proven starter (with a 2 or 3 year deal) on a team looking to rebuild. I hope that Myers has a solid season, otherwise, we might end up with nothing for him.

    Side by side
    Phils Mets
    Hamels Santana L
    Myers Pelfry R
    Blanton ?? FA. Garland, Lowe, Perez, Wolf
    Moyer Niese L
    Park, Happ Maine R
    Carrasco, KK

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Think about that though.. why would a team want Myers and his expiring contract for their own “proven starter” …. we need to think about why the other team would want to make a deal too when we throw out these suggestions

    If Myers doesn’t have a solid season, its time for him to go… if he does have a solid season, i’d like to have him stay here.

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    The cubs are looking for a pitcher. How about Myers and Kendrick for Gauden, Derosa and the stud 3B prospect. Sign Lowe and put Gauden(not sure when he’s FA available) in the mix for the rotation. if he misses he’s a decent reliever. Derosa could get about 80 starts over the course of the season, especially if Chase takes longer than normal.

    Ok, the cubs wouldn’t do it, but what t he hey.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I’d rather trade the Yankees Kendrick and Feliz.. for Sabathia and ARod, but the Yankees would have to eat most of their salaries..

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Don, if we could sign Lowe would you trade Myers for Gauden and the 3B prospect?

  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Baseball Prospectus compiles a list of every organization’s top 11 prospects. Today they released the Phillies list:
    Five star prospects
    1. Carlos Carrasco RHP

    Four star prospects
    2. Michael Taylor RF
    3. Kyle Drabek RHP

    Three star prospects
    4. Travis D’Arnaud C
    5. Lou Marson C
    6. Jason Donald SS
    7. Dominic Brown OF
    8. J.A. Happ RHP
    9. Zach Collier RF
    10. Jason Knapp RHP
    11. Anthony Hewitt 3B

    Missed the cut: Travis Mattair 3B, Drew Naylor RHP, Joe Savery LHP

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Yeah i dont expect him to get moved until the season is well underway….

    I agree..why would someone trade a proven starter whos a number two under control for 2 more years to the phillies for a guy whos inconsistent as a starter with a 12mm expiring contract..? it makes no sense…youd ONLY be able to get prospects for him…so forget about a rotation-ready guy. were talking carrasco if myers is moved. then maybe some back-end gap plugger like redding’s ilk if carrasco doesnt work out..

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    if they want to trade myers fine, and i think they will. but im not expecting like jered weaver or ervin santana in return…were talking about prospects…

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    The cubs don’t want to give Vitters up.. especially not for a “rental” in Myers

    I think Gaudin sucks.. maybe he’ll be good down the road, but he’s in between starter/reliever.

    When Myers is ON, he’s an ACE… with Hamels there he’s our #2… even when he’s not pitching great, like in the postseason a few times, he throws well enough to keep you in games and give you 6 innings

    So right now, no I wouldn’t make that move. If Vitters were closer to the majors, then maybe you would really think about that move, or if you think Carrasco, Happ, and Drabek can all be in the rotation in 2010.. .you would maybe do that move.

    hell of a question though

  • Posts: 0 Andrew

    I cant believe theres talk about trading myers… someone said early everyone was pissed at blanton as our number 4… we want him as a number 2 now??? it makes no sense at all.. even if we do get cc up here it is a bad move, another league in the minors wouldnt hurt him… were a win now team..

    chan ho is not going to be in the rotation it is crazy… i really cant believe what im reading

    hammels blanton moyer happ carasca would not do… no way

    we keep myers for another year and let one of the guys develop more in the minors, its ridiculous to believe anything different

  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Myers WILL NOT be traded unless the team has an aweful year and is out of contention in which his value will be very low a will certainly not catch a major league reliever let alone an elite propsect.

    Nows the time to get really excited about our CC but not for the major league rotation. The Braves aren’t rushing Tommy Hanson to the rotation because they know they have a potential Cy Young candidate and Tim Lincecum was 23 when he was called up. CC is still incredible young and raw so you leave him developing ready to bring him up ready to dominate not just make up the numbers, that’s not now. Would you rather have him as the no.5 in ’08 or a no.2 in ’09.

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    I like Gauden. I think he’s going to be a good #3 or 4 someday. I guess I should be clear that the main reason I want to trade Myers is to free up money for Lowe. I’d rather have Lowe as my #2 and get something for Myers while we can. I’d feel much better with Lowe as my #2 than Myers.

    The Sox are going to sign texiera, IMO, for huge dollars. I think that makes Lowe gettable. the yanks won’t sign another huge deal for a pitcher and the Angels don’t need any. Lowe wants to be on the East Coast so that leaves the Phils and Mets. We’ll see if the price drops.

  • Posts: 0 NJ

    I think we’d all prefer Lowe there than Myers but it’s close to impossible to see how that happens, if it’s been said here you can be damn sure the organisation have looked into it and there isn’t even a buzz around that idea with the writers.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    i disagree about gaudin…he fell off his potential track and seems destined for reliever-land…i sinceerely do not believe that signing derek lowe is a good idea for any team…id offer like 3 years 27-30mm and nothing more…basically an insult to scott boras, so thats that. still, even so, hell backfire on whoever signs him…

    also…lowe would cost more than myers in all likelihood, even if his price drops, so myers would just be a salary dump because teams would know the phillies cant afford both…

    by teh way, i think saying that “its ridiculous to believe anything different” is in fact a ridiculous statement….thats the very thing wrong with america: its either one extreme or another, theres no room for multiple opinions, just one or two…you should be open to all possibilities.

    if someone wants to cough up prime prospects for myers then im sure the philies would do that in a hearbeat, but if youre that mystery team why would you do that?

    youre going to find out a lot about myers’ psyche this season though, hes really up against it in a contract year.

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    NJ, I think the whole Texiera thing needs to be resolved and then we whould start to hear something. No way would I go 5 years. With CC and Burnett going to the Yanks there’s just not that many teams for Boras to have bid against each other. If Boston spends 190 million on Tex they won’t go 4 years 64 for Lowe. At this point I like what Charlie’s doing. Just sit and wait.

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